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We who are diplomats, we are trained to deal with conflicts between states and issues between states.
Mi, diplomati, obučeni smo nositi se s problemima i sukobima između država.
en-hr
And I can tell you, our agenda is full.
Και μπορώ να σας πω ότι η ατζέντα μας είναι γεμάτη.
en-el
There is trade, there is disarmament, there is cross-border relations.
از تجارت و خلع سلاح گرفته، تا روابط بین الملل.
en-fa
But the picture is changing, and we are seeing that there are new key players coming onto the scene.
Но картината се променя, и виждаме, че нови участници се включват в действията.
en-bg
We loosely call them "groups."
Nós chamamos-lhes, de forma vaga, "grupos".
en-pt
They may represent social, religious, political, economic, military realities.
Μπορεί να αντιπροσωπεύουν κοινωνικές, θρησκευτικές, πολιτικές, οικονομικές ή στρατιωτικές πραγματικότητες.
en-el
And we struggle with how to deal with them.
Şi ne luptăm să le facem faţă.
en-ro
The rules of engagement: how to talk, when to talk, and how to deal with them.
Rregullat e angazhimit: si te flasim, kur te flasim, dhe si te mirremi me ta.
en-sq
Let me show you a slide here which illustrates the character of conflicts since 1946 until today.
Позвольте показать вам график, который отражает характер конфликтов с 1946 года по сегодняшний день.
en-ru
You see the green is a traditional interstate conflict, the ones we used to read about.
Uočite da su zeleno tradicionalni međudržavni sukobi, oni o kojima smo obično čitali.
en-hr
The red is modern conflict, conflicts within states.
Красный — современные конфликты, конфликты внутри государств.
en-ru
These are quite different, and they are outside the grasp of modern diplomacy.
Estes são muito diferentes, e estão fora do alcance da diplomacia moderna.
en-pt
And the core of these key actors are groups who represent different interests inside countries.
Der Kern dieser Hauptakteure sind Gruppen, die verschiedene Interessen innerhalb von Ländern repräsentieren.
en-de
And the way they deal with their conflicts rapidly spreads to other countries.
Dhe menyra si ata mirren me konfliktete e tyre shpejt shperndahet ne shtete tjera.
en-sq
So in a way, it is everybody's business.
Bởi vậy ở một chừng mực, đây là việc của tất cả mọi người.
en-vi
Another acknowledgment we've seen during these years, recent years, is that very few of these domestic interstate, intrastate conflicts can be solved militarily.
Otra cosa que hemos reconocido durante los últimos años es que muy pocos de estos conflictos internos interestatales, intraestatales, pueden resolverse militarmente.
en-es
They may have to be dealt with with military means, but they cannot be solved by military means.
Các biện pháp quân sự có thể đi kèm khi giải quyết xung đột, chứ không giải quyết được xung đột.
en-vi
They need political solutions.
它们需要政治方案的介入。
en-zh-cn
And we, therefore, have a problem, because they escape traditional diplomacy.
Dhe ne, per kete, kemi nje problem, sepse ata larguan diplomacine tradicionale.
en-sq
And we have among states a reluctance in dealing with them.
E temos entre os Estados uma relutância a lidar com eles.
en-pt-br
Plus, during the last decade, we've been in the mode where dealing with groups was conceptually and politically dangerous.
Thêm vào đó, trong thập kỷ qua, chúng ta đã phải ở trong trạng thái đối phó với những nhóm nguy hiểm về mặt nhận thức và chính trị.
en-vi
After 9/11, either you were with us or against us.
Nach dem 11. September war man entweder für uns oder gegen uns.
en-de
It was black or white.
Bilo je crno ili bijelo.
en-hr
And groups are very often immediately label terrorists.
こうした集団は しばしば 即座に テロリストというレッテルが貼られました
en-ja
And who would talk to terrorists?
Dhe kush dp te fliste me terrorista?
en-sq
The West, as I would see it, comes out of that decade weakened, because we didn't understand the group.
제가 보기엔, 서방은 지난 10년을 겪어오면서 약해졌습니다. 왜냐하면 우리는 그 집단들을 이해하지 못했기 때문입니다.
en-ko
So we've spent more time on focusing on why we should not talk to others than finding out how we talk to others.
Pra ne kaluam me shume kohe duke u fokusuar pse ne nuk duhet te flasim me te tjeret sesa te zbulojme si ne flasim me te tjeret.
en-sq
Now I'm not naive.
Tani une nuk jam naiv.
en-sq
You cannot talk to everybody all the time.
Você não pode falar com todos o tempo todo.
en-pt-br
And there are times you should walk.
وهناك لحظات يجب ان تتحرك
en-ar
And sometimes military intervention is necessary.
Und manchmal sind Militäreingriffe notwendig.
en-de
I happen to believe that Libya was necessary and that military intervention in Afghanistan was also necessary.
Il se trouve que je crois que l'intervention en Libye était nécessaire et que l'intervention militaire en Afghanistan l'était aussi.
en-fr-ca
And my country relies on its security through military alliance, that's clear.
Dhe vendi im mbeshtetet ne kete siguri nepermes aleances ushtarake, kjo eshte e qarte.
en-sq
But still we have a large deficit in dealing with and understanding modern conflict.
Но всё же у нас огромная нехватка опыта в разрешении и понимании современных конфликтов.
en-ru
Let us turn to Afghanistan.
아프가니스탄의 경우로 돌아가봅시다.
en-ko
10 years after that military intervention, that country is far from secure.
Dix ans après l'intervention militaire, le pays est loin d'être sécuritaire.
en-fr-ca
The situation, to be honest, is very serious.
Situaţia, ca să fiu sincer, este foarte serioasă.
en-ro
Now again, the military is necessary, but the military is no problem-solver.
需要再一次的军事干预， 但是军事并不能解决问题。
en-zh-cn
When I first came to Afghanistan in 2005 as a foreign minister, I met the commander of ISAF, the international troops.
Когато за първи път отидох в Афганистан през 2005 като министър на външните работи, се срещнах с командващия на ИСАФ, международните военни сили.
en-bg
And he told me that, "This can be won militarily, minister.
I on mi je rekao: "Ministre, moguća je vojna pobjeda.
en-hr
We just have to persevere."
Chúng ta chỉ cần phải kiên trì."
en-vi
Now four COM ISAF's later, we hear a different message: "This cannot be won militarily.
Vier Kommandeure später klingt das ein bisschen anders: "Wir können das nicht militärisch gewinnen.
en-de
We need military presence, but we need to move to politics.
Ordunun varlığına ihtiyacımız var, ama politikaya yönelmeliyiz.
en-tr
We can only solve this through a political solution.
Sitiaţia nu poate fi rezolvată decât pe cale politică.
en-ro
And it is not us who will solve it; Afghans have to solve it."
וזה לא אנחנו שנפתור את זה; האפגנים צריכים לפתור את זה.
en-he
But then they need a different political process than the one they were given in 2001, 2002.
Maar dan hebben ze een ander politiek proces nodig dan wat hen gegeven werd in 2001, 2002.
en-nl
They need an inclusive process where the real fabric of this very complicated society can deal with their issues.
הם זקוקים לתהליך כוללני שבאמצעותו המרקם האמיתי של החברה המאד מסובכת הזו יוכל להתמודד עם בעיותיהם.
en-he
Everybody seems to agree with that.
Izgleda da se svi slažu s tim.
en-hr
It was very controversial to say three, four, five years ago.
Było to kontrowersyjne trzy, cztery, pięć lat temu.
en-pl
Now everybody agrees.
今は 誰もが同意していることです
en-ja
But now, as we prepare to talk, we understand how little we know.
Mas agora, quando nos preparamos para dialogar, percebemos quão pouco sabemos.
en-pt
Because we didn't talk.
لأننا لم نتحدث
en-ar
We didn't grasp what was going on.
Nem fogtuk fel, hogy mi történik.
en-hu
The International Committee of the Red Cross, the ICRC, is talking to everyone, and it is doing so because it is neutral.
國際紅十字會 和每個人交談 是因為立場中立所以這樣做
en-zh-tw
And that's one reason why that organization probably is the best informed key player to understand modern conflict -- because they talk.
وهذا احد الاسباب الذي يفسر لماذا تلك المنظمة تقريبا افضل لاعب رئيسي قادر على فهم الصراع الحديث لانهم يتحدثون
en-ar
My point is that you don't have to be neutral to talk.
しかし 対話をする際に 中立である必要はありません
en-ja
And you don't have to agree when you sit down with the other side.
Je hoeft het niet eens te zijn als je tegenover de ander gaat zitten.
en-nl
And you can always walk.
그리고 여러분은 항상 자리를 뜰 수있습니다.
en-ko
But if you don't talk, you can't engage the other side.
Mais si vous ne dialoguez pas, vous ne pouvez pas entrer en contact avec l'autre.
en-fr
And the other side which you're going to engage is the one with whom you profoundly disagree.
És a másik oldal, amivel felvesszük a kapcsolatot az, amellyel mélységesen nem értünk egyet.
en-hu
Prime Minister Rabin said when he engaged the Oslo process, "You don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies."
Thủ tướng Rabin đã từng nói khi ông tiến hành tiến trình Oslo rằng, "Bạn không tạo ra hòa bình với bạn bè của mình, bạn tạo ra hòa bình với kẻ thù."
en-vi
It's hard, but it is necessary.
Es difícil, pero es necesario.
en-es
Let me go one step further.
Dejen que vaya aún más lejos.
en-es
This is Tahrir Square.
Ovo je Trg Tahrir u Kairu.
en-hr
There's a revolution going on.
Burada bir devrim gerçekleşiyor.
en-tr
The Arab Spring is heading into fall and is moving into winter.
Арабската пролет преминава към есента и се придвижва към зимата.
en-bg
It will last for a long, long time.
Çok uzun zaman boyunca sürecek.
en-tr
And who knows what it will be called in the end.
Y quién sabe cómo se llamará al final.
en-es
That's not the point.
Đó không phải là vấn đề.
en-vi
The point is that we are probably seeing, for the first time in the history of the Arab world, a revolution bottom-up -- people's revolution.
Le plus surprenant c'est que nous assistons, pour la première fois dans l'histoire du monde arabe, à une révolution qui vient du peuple : une révolution populaire.
en-fr-ca
Social groups are taking to the streets.
I gruppi sociali stanno uscendo per strada.
en-it
And we find out in the West that we know very little about what's happening.
そして 欧米諸国は 何が起きているかを ほとんど把握できていないことに気づいたのです
en-ja
Because we never talk to the people in these countries.
Sepse ne kurre nuk flasim me njerez ne keto vende.
en-sq
Most governments followed the dictate of the authoritarian leaders to stay away from these different groups, because they were terrorists.
La plupart des gouvernements ont suivi le diktat des dirigeants autoritaires qui était de rester loin de ces différents groupes, parce qu'ils étaient des terroristes.
en-fr
So now that they are emerging in the street and we salute the democratic revolution, we find out how little we know.
Então, agora que emergem nas ruas e saudamos a revolução democrática, percebemos quão pouco sabemos.
en-pt-br
Right now, the discussion goes, "Should we talk to the Muslim Brotherhood?
Neste momento, a discussão é: "Devemos falar com a Irmandade Muçulmana?"
en-pt
Should we talk to Hamas?
Moeten we praten met Hamas?
en-nl
If we talk to them, we may legitimize them."
چرا که اگر با آنان مذاکره کنیم بدین معنی است که آنها را به رسمیت شناخته ایم."
en-fa
I think that is wrong.
Νομίζω ότι αυτό είναι λάθος.
en-el
If you talk in the right way, you make it very clear that talking is not agreeing.
Dacă discuţi în maniera potrivită, poate fi clar că dialogul nu înseamnă acceptare.
en-ro
And how can we tell the Muslim Brotherhood, as we should, that they must respect minority rights, if we don't accept majority rights?
E como podemos dizer à Irmandade Muçulmana, como devemos, que eles têm de respeitar os direitos das minorias, quando nós não aceitamos os direitos das maiorias?
en-pt
Because they may turn out to be a majority.
Επειδή μπορεί να γίνουν πλειοψηφία.
en-el
How can we escape [having] a double-standard, if we at the same time preach democracy and at the same time don't want to deal with the groups that are representative?
Hoe vermijden we een dubbele ethiek, als we enerzijds democratie prediken, en tegelijkertijd niet willen praten met de representatieve groepen?
en-nl
How will we ever be interlocutors?
Сможем ли мы когда-нибудь сесть за стол переговоров?
en-ru
Now my diplomats are instructed to talk to all these groups.
Τώρα οι διπλωμάτες μου εκπαιδεύονται να μιλούν σε όλες αυτές τις ομάδες.
en-el
But talking can be done in different ways.
On peut engager la discussion de différentes manières.
en-fr-ca
We make a distinction between talking from a diplomatic level and talking at the political level.
Wir unterscheiden zwischen dem diplomatischen Sprechen und dem politischen Sprechen.
en-de
Now talking can be accompanied with aid or not with aid.
Đối thoại có thể đi kèm sự trợ giúp hoặc không.
en-vi
Talking can be accompanied with inclusion or not inclusion.
Η συνομιλία μπορεί να συνοδεύεται από ένταξη ή μη ένταξη.
en-el
There's a big array of the ways of dealing with this.
이런 일들을 다루는 많은 방법들이 있습니다.
en-ko
So if we refuse to talk to these new groups that are going to be dominating the news in years to come, we will further radicalization, I believe.
그래서 만약 우리가 이런 새로운 조직들, 즉 몇년 이내에 뉴스를 점령할 조직들과 대화하기를 거절 한다면 우리는 그들이 급진적으로 나아가게 만들게 될거라고 저는 믿습니다.
en-ko
We will make the road from violent activities into politics harder to travel.
Vi vil gjøre overgangen fra voldelige handlinger til politikk vaskeligere å forsere.
en-nb
And if we cannot demonstrate to these groups that if you move towards democracy, if you move towards taking part in civilized and normal standards among states, there are some rewards on the other side.
ولن يمكننا الشرح لتلك الجماعات انه اذا اجهتم نحو الديمو قراطية واذا اتجهتم نحو اعتماد مبادئ مدنية تجاه الدول سوف يكون هناك مكافاءت في المقابل
en-ar
The paradox here is that the last decade probably was a lost decade for making progress on this.
然而 过去的十年，我们在这一方面 做得十分失败
en-zh-cn
And the paradox is that the decade before the last decade was so promising -- and for one reason primarily.
可是，这失败的十年之前的十年里，世界因为一个原因 而充满了希望
en-zh-cn
And the reason is what happened in South Africa: Nelson Mandela.
Og årsaken er det som skjedde i Sør-Afrika: Nelson Mandela.
en-nb
When Mandela came out of prison after 27 years of captivity, if he had told his people, "It's time to take up the arms, it's time to fight," he would have been followed.
Kur Mandela doli nga burgu pas 27 viteve te roberise, nese ai i'u kishte treguar njerezve te tij, " Eshte koha t'i kapim armet, eshte koha te luftojme," ai do e ndiqej.
en-sq
And I think the international community would have said, "Fair enough.
Et je crois que la communauté internationale aurait dit : « Très bien.
en-fr-ca
It's their right to fight."
Тяхно право е да се бият."
en-bg
Now as you know, Mandela didn't do that.
والان كما تعلمون مانديلا لم يفعل ذلك
en-ar