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September 11 generated some interest in moving it over to Ground Zero, and I'm totally against that.
۱۱ سپتامبر خواسته‌های جدیدی را بوجود آورد. از این جهت که به نقطه صفر برگشتیم و من کاملا مخالف آن هستم.
en-fa
I just feel uncomfortable talking about or building anything on Ground Zero I think for a long time.
Eu me sinto desconfortável em falar sobre construir qualquer prédio no Marco Zero, e acho que por muito tempo.
en-pt-br
RSW: The picture on the screen, is that Disney?
ر.و: تصویری که نمایش داده شده، پروژه دیزنی است، نه؟
en-fa
FG: Yeah.
ゲーリー:そうだよ
en-ja
RSW: How much further along is it than that, and when will that be finished?
Di quanto sono avanzati i lavori, e quando sarà terminato?
en-it
FG: That will be finished in 2003 -- September, October -- and I'm hoping Kyu, and Herbie, and Yo-Yo and all those guys come play with us at that place.
G: Sarà terminato nel 2003. Settembre, Ottobre 2003. E spero che Kyu, Herbie, Yo Yo e tutta questa gente venga lì a suonare da noi.
en-it
Luckily, today most of the people I'm working with are people I really like.
Nasreću, većinu ljudi s kojima danas radim ja doista i volim.
en-hr
Richard Koshalek is probably one of the main reasons that Disney Hall came to me.
ריצ'רד קושלק הוא כנראה אחת הסיבות העיקריות ש"אולם דיסני" הגיעו אליי.
en-he
He's been a cheerleader for quite a long time.
הוא מעודד אותי כבר די הרבה זמן.
en-he
There aren't many people around that are really involved with architecture as clients.
Je krijgt meestal niet veel klanten die echt betrokken zijn bij architectuur.
en-nl
If you think about the world, and even just in this audience, most of us are involved with buildings.
می‌دانید، وقتی به دنیا فکر می‌کنیم، حتی در بین حاظرین این جمع، اکثرمان درگیر ساختمانها هستیم.
en-fa
Nothing that you would call architecture, right?
Ništa što biste nazvali arhitekturom, zar ne?
en-hr
And so to find one, a guy like that, you hang on to him.
Dus als je iemand zoals hem vindt,
en-nl
He's become the head of Art Center, and there's a building by Craig Ellwood there.
Postao je prvi čovjek Umjetničkog centra; ondje je zgrada Craiga Elwooda.
en-hr
I knew Craig and respected him.
Poznavao sam Craiga i poštivao ga.
en-hr
They want to add to it and it's hard to add to a building like that -- it's a beautiful, minimalist, black steel building -- and Richard wants to add a library and more student stuff and it's a lot of acreage.
Ze wilden er iets bij bouwen, maar dat is moeilijk bij zo'n gebouw. Het is een prachtig, minimalistisch gebouw van zwart staal en Richard wou een bibliotheek en allerlei studentenvoorzieningen erbij bouwen. Het is een grote lap grond.
en-nl
I convinced him to let me bring in another architect from Portugal: Alvaro Siza.
我说服他让我带上另一位建筑师, 葡萄牙人,阿尔瓦罗·西扎。
en-zh-cn
RSW: Why did you want that?
РСВ: Почему ты этого хотел?
en-ru
FG: I knew you'd ask that question.
FG: Sabía que me preguntarías eso.
en-es
It was intuitive.
直覺吧。
en-zh-tw
(Laughter) Alvaro Siza grew up and lived in Portugal and is probably considered the Portuguese main guy in architecture.
(笑) 盖瑞:阿尔瓦罗·西扎在葡萄牙出生,并在那儿长大, 大概还被公认为葡萄牙本土的建筑业主心骨。
en-zh-cn
I visited with him a few years ago and he showed me his early work, and his early work had a resemblance to my early work.
زرته منذ بضعة سنوات وأراني أعماله الأولى وكانت أعماله الأولى تشابه أعمالي الأولى
en-ar
When I came out of college, I started to try to do things contextually in Southern California, and you got into the logic of Spanish colonial tile roofs and things like that.
대학을 졸업한 후에 정황 상 저는 캘리포니아 남부에서 일을 시작했습니다. 스페인 식민지풍 타일 지붕 스타일 등등이 유행하고 있었습니다.
en-ko
I tried to understand that language as a beginning, as a place to jump off, and there was so much of it being done by spec builders and it was trivialized so much that it wasn't ...
신참인 저는 그 언어를 이해하기 위해 노력하고 있었고요. 당시에 건축 도급업자들이 그런 건물을 많이 찍어 내는 바람에 심하게 가치가 떨어진 상태였어요.
en-ko
I just stopped.
توقفت عن العمل
en-ar
I mean, Charlie Moore did a bunch of it, but it didn't feel good to me.
أعني، تشارلي مور قام بعدة أعمال ولكن الأمر لم يرق لي
en-ar
Siza, on the other hand, continued in Portugal where the real stuff was and evolved a modern language that relates to that historic language.
Siza, di lain pihak, berlanjut di Portugal, di tempat gaya aslinya, dan mengembangkan sebuah bahasa modern yang bersaudara dengan bahasa lamanya.
en-id
And I always felt that he should come to Southern California and do a building.
Et j’avais toujours senti qu’il fallait qu’il vienne en Californie du sud et y construise un bâtiment.
en-fr
I tried to get him a couple of jobs and they didn't pan out.
Tôi đã cố gắng tìm cho anh ta một vài công việc nhưng đều không thành công.
en-vi
I like the idea of collaboration with people like that because it pushes you.
Eu gosto de colaborar com pessoas assim, porque é um desafio.
en-pt-br
I've done it with Claes Oldenburg and with Richard Serra, who doesn't think architecture is art.
עשיתי את זה עם קלאס אולדנבורג ועם ריצ'רד סרה, שלא חושב שארכיטקטורה היא אמנות.
en-he
Did you see that thing?
ראית את הדבר הזה?
en-he
RSW: No. What did he say?
РСВ: Нет. Что он сказал?
en-ru
FG: He calls architecture "plumbing."
FG: Dia bilang arsitektur itu "pekerjaan tukang pipa"
en-id
(Laughter) FG: Anyway, the Siza thing.
(Gelächter) FG: Wie dem auch sei, zurück zu dieser Siza Sache.
en-de
It's a richer experience.
É uma experiencia mais rica.
en-pt-br
It must be like that for Kyu doing things with musicians -- it's similar to that I would imagine -- where you ... huh?
Chắc hẳn khi Kyu cộng tác với những nhạc sĩ cũng như thế. Tôi tưởng tượng chúng sẽ giống nhau. Anh ở -- sao?
en-vi
Audience: Liquid architecture.
Hadirin: Arsitektur cair.
en-id
FG: Liquid architecture.
FG: Arsitektur cair.
en-id
(Laughter) Where you ... It's like jazz: you improvise, you work together, you play off each other, you make something, they make something.
(笑) なんて言うか... ジャズみたいに 即興し 一緒に演奏する お互いやるのさ 僕があるものを作り 彼らも何かを作る
en-ja
And I think for me, it's a way of trying to understand the city and what might happen in the city.
Penso que é uma forma de... para mim, é uma forma de tentar entender a cidade e o que pode acontecer na cidade.
en-pt
RSW: Is it going to be near the current campus?
烏爾曼:它會建在現有的場地附近嗎?
en-zh-tw
Or is it going to be down near ...
還是會在—
en-zh-tw
FG: No, it's near the current campus.
ФГ: Нет, это рядом с университетским городком.
en-ru
Anyway, he's that kind of patron.
Neyse, o bu tür bir hami.
en-tr
It's not his money, of course.
Конечно, не на свои деньги.
en-ru
(Laughter) RSW: What's his schedule on that?
(Gülüşmeler) RW: Bu işin zaman çizelgesi nedir?
en-tr
FG: I don't know.
FG: Eu não sei.
en-pt-br
What's the schedule, Richard?
ما هو الجدول رتشارد؟
en-ar
Richard Koshalek: [Unclear] starts from 2004.
Richard: Começar em 2004.
en-pt
FG: 2004.
FG: 2004.
en-pl
You can come to the opening. I'll invite you.
Kom maar naar de opening, ik zal je uitnodigen.
en-nl
No, but the issue of city building in democracy is interesting because it creates chaos, right?
Convido-te. Não, mas a questão de construir numa cidade, em democracia, é interessante porque isso causa caos, certo?
en-pt
Everybody doing their thing makes a very chaotic environment, and if you can figure out how to work off each other -- if you can get a bunch of people who respect each other's work and play off each other, you might be able to create models for how to build sections of the city without resorting to the one architect.
Wenn jeder sein Ding macht, führt das zu einer sehr chaotischen Umgebung und wenn man dann herausfindet, wie man voneinander profitieren kann – wenn man eine Gruppe von Menschen zusammenbringt, die sich gegenseitig respektieren und sich befruchten, sollte es möglich sein, Modelle für den Bau von Stadtteilen zu erstelle...
en-de
Like the Rockefeller Center model, which is kind of from another era.
come nel caso del Rockefeller Center, che in un certo senso appartiene ad un'altra era.
en-it
RSW: I found the most remarkable thing.
RSW: Otkrio sam nešto posve izvanredno.
en-hr
My preconception of Bilbao was this wonderful building, you go inside and there'd be extraordinary spaces.
我對畢爾巴鄂項目的預想是這樣一座精彩的建築, 進去之後有非凡的空間。
en-zh-tw
I'd seen drawings you had presented here at TED.
얼마나 진기하게 해놨을까 하는 생각 뿐이었던 것에 비해,
en-ko
The surprise of Bilbao was in its context to the city.
A surpresa do Bilbao era o seu contexto com a cidade.
en-pt-br
That was the surprise of going across the river, of going on the highway around it, of walking down the street and finding it.
A fost surpriza de a traversa râul, mergând pe autostradă în jurul ei, de a merge pe stradă şi de a o descoperi.
en-ro
That was the real surprise of Bilbao.
اینها پروژه بیلبائو را جالب می‌کرد.
en-fa
FG: But you know, Richard, most architects when they present their work -- most of the people we know, you get up and you talk about your work, and it's almost like you tell everybody you're a good guy by saying, "Look, I'm worried about the context, I'm worried about the city, I'm worried about my client, I worry abou...
FG: Mas sabes, Richard, a maioria dos arquitectos quando apresentam o seu trabalho, a maioria das pessoas que conhecemos, levantam-se e falam do seu trabalho e é quase como se estivessem a dizer a toda a gente que são uma boa pessoa: "Reparem, estou preocupado com o contexto, estou preocupado com a cidade, estou preo...
en-pt
Blah, blah, blah and all that stuff.
Бла-бла-бла и тому подобное.
en-ru
And it's like cleansing yourself so that you can ...
È un po' come "purificarsi":
en-it
by saying all that, it means your work is good somehow.
כשאתה אומר את כל זה, זה אומר שהעבודה שלך טובה איכשהו.
en-he
And I think everybody -- I mean that should be a matter of fact, like gravity.
而且我認為每個人 我是指應該像對待事實,像重力。
en-zh-tw
You're not going to defy gravity.
你不可能否认重力的存在,或者反抗它
en-zh-cn
You've got to work with the building department.
Você tem que trabalhar com o departamento de construção.
en-pt-br
If you don't meet the budgets, you're not going to get much work.
اگر شما در حیطه بودجه تعیین شده عمل نکنید، پروژه‌های چندانی نخواهید گرفت.
en-fa
If it leaks -- Bilbao did not leak.
Si gotea -- Bilbao no goteó.
en-es
I was so proud.
Ich war so stolz.
en-de
(Laughter) The MIT project -- they were interviewing me for MIT and they sent their facilities people to Bilbao.
(Смех) Проект MIT — MIT брали у меня интервью, и они отправили свой производственный персонал в Бильбао.
en-ru
I met them in Bilbao.
Tôi gặp họ ở Bilbao.
en-vi
They came for three days.
Üç günlüğüne geldiler.
en-tr
RSW: This is the computer building?
RW: O edifício dos computadores?
en-pt
FG: Yeah, the computer building.
FG: Je, računalno konstruiranje.
en-hr
They were there three days and it rained every day and they kept walking around -- I noticed they were looking under things and looking for things, and they wanted to know where the buckets were hidden, you know?
그들이 머물던 3일 내내 비가 오는데도 계속 걸어다니면서 여기저기 기웃거리며 뭘 찾더라고요. 어디 물받이를 숨겨둔 건 없는지 알고 싶었던 거죠.
en-ko
People put buckets out ...
물이 새면 양동이를 받쳐두잖아요.
en-ko
I was clean. There wasn't a bloody leak in the place, it was just fantastic.
Eu estava salvo! Não havia uma única goteira no lugar. Foi simplesmente fantástico.
en-pt-br
But you've got to -- yeah, well up until then every building leaked, so this ...
Но пришлось — да, ровно до того момента каждое здание протекало, так что...
en-ru
(Laughter) RSW: Frank had a sort of ...
(śmiech) RW: Frank miał coś --
en-pl
FG: Ask Miriam!
FG : Demandez à Miriam !
en-fr
RW: ... sort of had a fame. His fame was built on that in L.A. for a while.
RW: ...sowas wie einen Ruf, der in L.A. eine Zeit lang genau darauf basierte.
en-de
(Laughter) FG: You've all heard the Frank Lloyd Wright story, when the woman called and said, "Mr. Wright, I'm sitting on the couch and the water's pouring in on my head."
(Râsete) FG: Aţi auzit cu toţii de povestea lui Frank Lloyd Wright, când femeia a sunat şi a spus, "Domnule Wright, stau pe canapea, şi apa îmi curge şiroaie în cap."
en-ro
And he said, "Madam, move your chair."
A on je odgovorio: "Gospođo, pomaknite fotelju."
en-hr
(Laughter) So, some years later I was doing a building, a little house on the beach for Norton Simon, and his secretary, who was kind of a hell on wheels type lady, called me and said, "Mr. Simon's sitting at his desk and the water's coming in on his head."
(Risas) Así que algunos años más tarde yo estaba construyendo un casita en la playa para Norton Simon, Y su secretaria, que era una pesadilla de mujer, me llamó y me dijo, "Mr. Simon está sentado en su escritorio, y le está cayendo agua en la cabeza."
en-es
And I told her the Frank Lloyd Wright story.
و من داستان فرانک لوید رایت را برایش تعریف کردم.
en-fa
RSW: Didn't get a laugh.
RSW: Nije se nasmijala?
en-hr
FG: No. Not now either.
盖瑞:是的,就是现在也不会。
en-zh-cn
(Laughter) But my point is that ... and I call it the "then what?"
(Смех) Но это моё мнение.... я называю это «ну и что?»
en-ru
OK, you solved all the problems, you did all the stuff, you made nice, you loved your clients, you loved the city, you're a good guy, you're a good person ...
Ok, Uno resolvió todos los problemas. Uno hizo todo. Uno ya fue bueno. Amó sus clientes. Amó la ciudad. Uno es un buen tipo --una buena persona.
en-es
and then what?
ну и что?
en-ru
What do you bring to it?
מה אתה מביא לזה?
en-he
And I think that's what I've always been interested in, is that -- which is a personal kind of expression.
E eu acho que é nisso que eu sempre me interessei, é isso -- que é um tipo de expressão pessoal.
en-pt-br
Bilbao, I think, shows that you can have that kind of personal expression and still touch all the bases that are necessary of fitting into the city.
Bilbao, menurut saya, menunjukkan bahwa saya bisa mendapatkan ekspresi pribadi seperti itu, sambil tetap menyentuh semua basis yang diperlukan untuk menyesuaikan diri kepada kota.
en-id
That's what reminded me of it.
Buradan hatırladım.
en-tr
And I think that's the issue, you know; it's the "then what" that most clients who hire architects -- most clients aren't hiring architects for that.
我认为那才是重点,你知道。 就是“那又怎样”让大多雇佣了建筑师的客户—— 大多客户并不是为了那个雇佣建筑师
en-zh-cn
They're hiring them to get it done, get it on budget, be polite, and they're missing out on the real value of an architect.
Zatrudniają go po to żeby coś było skończone, mieściło się w budżecie. Wiesz -- bądź grzeczny. I mijają się z prawdziwą wartością architekta.
en-pl
RSW: At a certain point a number of years ago, people -- when Michael Graves was a fashion, before teapots ...
乌尔曼:在一个时期,一些年前,人们—— 在迈克尔·格雷夫斯很受欢迎的时候,在茶壶以前——
en-zh-cn
FG: I did a teapot and nobody bought it.
FG: Ja sam izradio čajnik i nitko ga nije kupio.
en-hr