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Ralph, it's been quite widely reported that people assume that Mossad is the main entity behind this.
Ralph, è stato assai ampiamente riportato che si ipotizza che il Mossad sia l'autore principale dell'accaduto.
en-it
Is that your opinion?
Jakie jest twoje zdanie?
en-pl
Ralph Langner: Okay, you really want to hear that?
Ralph Langner: Gerai, jūs tikrai norite tai išgirsti?
en-lt
Yeah. Okay.
Да. Добре.
en-bg
My opinion is that the Mossad is involved, but that the leading force is not Israel.
Min åsikt är att Mossad är inblandad, men att den ledande kraften bakom inte är Israel.
en-sv
So the leading force behind that is the cyber superpower.
Quindi la forza trainante dietro tutto ciò è una super potenza digitale.
en-it
There is only one, and that's the United States -- fortunately, fortunately.
Αυτή είναι μόνο μία και είναι οι ΗΠΑ -- ευτυχώς, ευτυχώς.
en-el
Because otherwise, our problems would even be bigger.
Porque de outro modo os nossos problemas seriam ainda maiores.
en-pt
CA: Thank you for scaring the living daylights out of us. Thank you, Ralph.
CA: 우리 모두를 겁나게 해주셔서 감사합니다.
en-ko
Adrian Kohler: Well, we're here today to talk about the evolution of a puppet horse.
Adrian Kohler: Oggi siamo qui per raccontarvi dell'evoluzione di un cavallo-marionetta.
en-it
Basil Jones: But actually we're going to start this evolution with a hyena.
Базил Джоунс: Но всъщност тази еволюция започва с една хиена.
en-bg
AK: The ancestor of the horse.
亞德里恩 科勒:鬣狗也就是木偶戰馬的祖先
en-zh-tw
Okay, we'll do something with it.
Ok, nós vamos fazer alguma coisa com ela.
en-pt-br
(Laughter) Hahahaha.
(Смях) Хахахахахахаха.
en-bg
The hyena is the ancestor of the horse because it was part of a production called "Faustus in Africa," a Handspring Production from 1995, where it had to play draughts with Helen of Troy.
Linh cẩu là tổ tiên của ngựa bởi vì nó là một nhân vật trong vở diễn có tên gọi "Faustus ở châu Phi," của nhà hát Handspring năm 1995, trong đó nó phải chơi cờ đam với nàng Helen thành Troy.
en-vi
This production was directed by South African artist and theater director, William Kentridge.
ผลงานนี้กำกับโดย ศิลปินและผู้กำกับละครชาวแอฟริกาใต้ วิลเลี่ยม เคนทริดจ์
en-th
So it needed a very articulate front paw.
Elle avait donc besoin d'une patte avant très articulée.
en-fr
But, like all puppets, it has other attributes.
Но, как и у всех кукол, у неё есть другие особенности.
en-ru
BJ: One of them is breath, and it kind of breathes.
貝索 瓊斯:其中之一就是呼吸 他能呼吸
en-zh-tw
AK: Haa haa haaa.
AK: haa haa haa.
en-it
BJ: Breath is really important for us.
BJ: A lehellet nagyon fontos számunkra.
en-hu
It's the kind of original movement for any puppet for us onstage.
Для любой из наших кукол на сцене это как бы изначальное движение.
en-ru
It's the thing that distinguishes the puppet -- AK: Oops.
E ceea ce diferenţiază marioneta -- AK: Pardon.
en-ro
BJ: From an actor.
vom Schauspieler.
en-de
Puppets always have to try to be alive.
Куклите винаги трябва да се опитват да оживяват.
en-bg
It's their kind of ur-story onstage, that desperation to live.
E versiunea lor de mit pus în scenă, disperarea de a trăi.
en-ro
AK: Yeah, it's basically a dead object, as you can see, and it only lives because you make it.
AK: Sí, como pueden ven, en esencia es un objeto muerto y sólo vive porque uno lo hace vivir.
en-es
An actor struggles to die onstage, but a puppet has to struggle to live.
Um ator luta para morrer em palco, mas uma marioneta tem de lutar para viver.
en-pt
And in a way that's a metaphor for life.
Si asta-i o metaforă a vieţii într-un fel.
en-ro
BJ: So every moment it's on the stage, it's making the struggle.
BJ: Quindi in ogni istante che trascorre sul palco, sta lottando.
en-it
So we call this a piece of emotional engineering that uses up-to-the-minute 17th century technology -- (Laughter) to turn nouns into verbs.
Nous appelons donc ceci un bout d'ingénierie émotionnelle qui utilise une technologie du 17ème siècle à jour à la minute près -- (Rires) pour transformer des noms en verbes.
en-fr
AK: Well actually I prefer to say that it's an object constructed out of wood and cloth with movement built into it to persuade you to believe that it has life.
AK: De fapt aş prefera să spun că este un obiect construit din lemn şi pânză, cu locomoţie incorporată pentru a vă convinge că are suflu.
en-ro
BJ: Okay so.
BJ: Ok, dus.
en-nl
AK: It has ears that move passively when the head goes.
AK: Tem orelhas que se movem passivamente quando a cabeça se mexe.
en-pt
BJ: And it has these bulkheads made out of plywood, covered with fabric -- curiously similar, in fact, to the plywood canoes that Adrian's father used to make when he was a boy in their workshop.
BJ: E ha questi tramezzi di compensato, rivestiti di stoffa... curiosamente simili, di fatto, alle canoe di compensato che il padre di Adrian gli costruiva nel loro laboratorio quando era piccolo.
en-it
AK: In Port Elizabeth, the village outside Port Elizabeth in South Africa.
AK: In een dorpje bij Port Elizabeth in Zuid-Afrika.
en-nl
BJ: His mother was a puppeteer.
BJ: Sua madre era burattinaia.
en-it
And when we met at art school and fell in love in 1971, I hated puppets.
E quando nós nos conhecemos na escola de arte e nos apaixonamos em 1971. eu detestava as marionetes.
en-pt-br
I really thought they were so beneath me.
总觉得它们很低贱
en-zh-cn
I wanted to become an avant-garde artist -- and Punch and Judy was certainly not where I wanted to go.
Я хотів стати художником-авангардистом, тому Панч і Джуді – зовсім не те, що було мені потрібно.
en-uk
And, in fact, it took about 10 years to discover the Bambara Bamana puppets of Mali in West Africa, where there's a fabulous tradition of puppetry, to learn a renewed, or a new, respect for this art form.
事实上,我花了十年 来发掘 非洲西部的马里的特有木偶 那里有令人惊叹的木偶制作传统 从而领会到了更新的,或者说是全新的 对于木偶艺术的崇敬
en-zh-cn
AK: So in 1981, I persuaded Basil and some friends of mine to form a puppet company.
أدريان كوهلير : في عام 1981 حاولت اقناع بسيل واصدقاء لي لكي نؤسس شركة دُمى
en-ar
And 20 years later, miraculously, we collaborated with a company from Mali, the Sogolon Marionette Troupe of Bamako, where we made a piece about a tall giraffe.
Și 20 de ani mai târziu, ca prin minune, am colaborat cu o companie din Mali, Sogolon Marionette Troupe din Bamako, unde am făcut un spectacol despre o girafă înaltă.
en-ro
It was just called "Tall Horse," which was a life-sized giraffe.
ซึ่งมีชื่อว่า"ม้าสูง" มีความสูงเท่ายีราฟจริง
en-th
BJ: And here again, you see the same structure.
BJ: A tu znovu vidíte rovnakú štruktúru.
en-sk
The bulkheads have now turned into hoops of cane, but it's ultimately the same structure.
A lemezeket itt nád karikák váltották fel, de alapvetően ugyanaz a váz.
en-hu
It's got two people inside it on stilts, which give them the height, and somebody in the front who's using a kind of steering wheel to move that head.
Dos personas en su interior sobre zancos le dan el alto y alguien al frente usa una especie de volante para mover esa cabeza.
en-es
AK: The person in the hind legs is also controlling the tail, a bit like the hyena -- same mechanism, just a bit bigger.
AK: La persona de las patas traseras también controla la cola, un poco como en la hiena, el mismo mecanismo pero un poco más grande.
en-es
And he's controlling the ear movement.
A on kontroluje pohyby uší.
en-sk
BJ: So this production was seen by Tom Morris of the National Theatre in London.
بسيل جونز :هذا التصميم شاهده توم موريس في المسرح القومي في لندن
en-ar
And just around that time, his mother had said, "Have you seen this book by Michael Morpurgo called 'War Horse'?"
Tot cam pe atunci mama lui ii zisese: "Ai văzut cartea asta a lui Michael Morpurgo, "Calul Troian?"
en-ro
AK: It's about a boy who falls in love with a horse.
א.ק: מסופר בו על ילד שמתאהב בסוס.
en-he
The horse is sold to the First World War, and he joins up to find his horse.
De a lovat eladják a hadseregnek az I. világháborúban, és a fiú beáll katonának, hogy megtalálja a lovát.
en-hu
BJ: So Tom gave us a call and said, "Do you think you could make us a horse for a show to happen at the National Theatre?"
BJ: Thế là Tom gọi điện cho chúng tôi và nói rằng, "Các anh nghĩ các anh có thể làm cho chúng tôi một chú ngựa cho một vở diễn ở Nhà Hát Quốc Gia không?"
en-vi
AK: It seemed a lovely idea.
AK: Aquilo parecia uma adorável ideia.
en-pt-br
BJ: But it had to ride. It had to have a rider.
BJ: Pero tenía que poder montarse. Tenía que llevar un jinete.
en-es
AK: It had to have a rider, and it had to participate in cavalry charges.
Musiał mieć jeźdźca. AK: Musiał mieć jeźdźca i musiał uczestniczyć w szarżach kawalerii.
en-pl
(Laughter) A play about early 20th century plowing technology and cavalry charges was a little bit of a challenge for the accounting department at the National Theatre in London.
(Risate) Un'opera sulla tecnologia dell'aratro del ventesimo secolo e sulle battaglie a cavallo rappresentava una bella sfida per l'ufficio contabilità del National Theatre di Londra.
en-it
But they agreed to go along with it for a while.
Aber sie stimmten letztendlich zu.
en-de
So we began with a test.
そこで まずテストを始めました
en-ja
BJ: This is Adrian and Thys Stander, who went on to actually design the cane system for the horse, and our next-door neighbor Katherine, riding on a ladder.
BJ: Ez Adrian és Thys Stander, aki végül megtervezte a nád vázat a lóhoz, és a szomszédunk, Katherine, aki egy létrán lovagol.
en-hu
The weight is really difficult when it's up above your head.
Складно тримати вагу, коли вона у тебе над головою.
en-uk
AK: And once we put Katherine through that particular brand of hell, we knew that we might be able to make a horse, which could be ridden.
亞德里恩 科勒:一旦我們讓凱瑟琳 經歷了這個特別的煉獄 我們就知道我們應該可以製作一匹馬,一匹可以騎的馬
en-zh-tw
So we made a model.
Wykonaliśmy więc makietę.
en-pl
This is a cardboard model, a little bit smaller than the hyena.
هذا نموذج خشبي انه اصغر قليلاً من الضبع
en-ar
You'll notice that the legs are plywood legs and the canoe structure is still there.
Vous remarquerez que les pattes sont en contreplaqué et la structure du canoé est encore là.
en-fr
BJ: And the two manipulators are inside.
貝索 瓊斯:兩個操縱者在裡面
en-zh-tw
But we didn't realize at the time that we actually needed a third manipulator, because we couldn't manipulate the neck from inside and walk the horse at the same time.
当时我们没有意识到 我们其实需要第三个操纵者 因为我们不能从里面 控制脖子的运动 同时也让马行走
en-zh-cn
AK: We started work on the prototype after the model was approved, and the prototype took a bit longer than we anticipated.
AK : Nous avons commencé à travailler sur un prototype après que la maquette a été approuvée, et le prototype a pris un peu plus longtemps que nous pensions.
en-fr
We had to throw out the plywood legs and make new cane ones.
Наложи се да изхвърлим шперплатовите крака и да направим нови от тръстика.
en-bg
And we had a crate built for it.
Și am construit un container pentru el.
en-ro
It had to be shipped to London.
El kellett szállítanunk Londonba.
en-hu
We were going to test-drive it on the street outside of our house in Cape Town, and it got to midnight and we hadn't done that yet.
我们原本想在我们克珀城外的道路上试跑 但是一直忙到半夜我们也没顾得上试跑一回
en-zh-cn
BJ: So we got a camera, and we posed the puppet in various galloping stances.
BJ: Szóval fogtunk egy kamerát, és beállítottuk a bábot különböző vágtázó pózokba.
en-hu
And we sent it off to the National Theatre, hoping that they believed that we created something that worked.
Wir schickten es ans "National Theatre" in der Hoffnung, dass sie glauben würden, dass wir etwas Funktionierendes entwicklet hätten.
en-de
(Laughter) AK: A month later, we were there in London with this big box and a studio full of people about to work with us.
(Nevetés) AK: Egy hónappal később Londonban voltunk ezzel a hatalmas ládával és egy csapattal, akik nekünk dolgoztak.
en-hu
BJ: About 40 people.
Ungefähr 40 Leute.
en-de
AK: We were terrified.
АК: Мы ужасно боялись.
en-ru
We opened the lid, we took the horse out, and it did work; it walked and it was able to be ridden.
Abrimos la caja, sacamos el caballo, y funcionó; caminaba y estaba listo para ser montado.
en-es
Here I have an 18-second clip of the very first walk of the prototype.
ผมมีคลิ๊ป18วินาที ของการเดินครั้งแรกของต้นแบบ
en-th
This is in the National Theatre studio, the place where they cook new ideas.
هذا المسرح القومي في لندن انه المكان الذي تطبخ فيه الافكار الجديدة
en-ar
It had by no means got the green light yet.
De ninguna manera tenía luz verde todavía.
en-es
The choreographer, Toby Sedgwick, invented a beautiful sequence where the baby horse, which was made out of sticks and bits of twigs, grew up into the big horse.
De choreograaf, Toby Sedgwick, bedacht een prachtige enscenering waarin het veulen, dat was gemaakt van stokjes en twijgjes, opgroeide tot volwassen paard.
en-nl
And Nick Starr, the director of the National Theatre, saw that particular moment, he was standing next to me -- he nearly wet himself.
國家劇院的導演尼克史塔爾 看到了這個特別的片段,他站在我旁邊,他差點要尿濕褲子了
en-zh-tw
And so the show was given the green light.
그리곤 그 공연은 비로소 승인을 받았습니다.
en-ko
And we went back to Cape Town and redesigned the horse completely.
我们回到克珀城,重新设计了整匹马。
en-zh-cn
Here is the plan.
הנה התכנית.
en-he
(Laughter) And here is our factory in Cape Town where we make horses.
(笑) これはケープ・タウンにある 私たちの工房で 馬を製作する場所です
en-ja
You can see quite a lot of skeletons in the background there.
Veem-se bastantes esqueletos ao fundo.
en-pt
The horses are completely handmade.
Коней роблять повністю вручну.
en-uk
There is very little 20th century technology in them.
יש בהם מעט מאד טכנולוגיה של המאה העשרים.
en-he
We used a bit of laser cutting on the plywood and some of the aluminum pieces.
Abbiamo usato un po' il laser per tagliare il compensato e alcuni pezzi in alluminio.
en-it
But because they have to be light and flexible, and each one of them is different, they can't be mass-produced, unfortunately.
Вони мають бути легкими та гнучкими, і кожен з них чимось відрізняється, тому, на жаль, їх не можна виробляти серійно.
en-uk
So here are some half-finished horses ready to be worked in London.
Voici donc des chevaux à moitié finis prêts à être retravaillés à Londres.
en-fr
And now we would like to introduce you to Joey.
А теперь мы познакомим вас с Джои.
en-ru
Joey boy, you there?
小喬依,你在哪裡?
en-zh-tw
Joey.
Joey.
en-de
(Applause) (Applause) Joey.
(аплодисменти) (аплодисменти) Джоуи.
en-bg
Joey, come here.
Джои, иди сюда.
en-ru
No, no, I haven't got it.
Nu, nu, n-o am.
en-ro