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Ralph, it's been quite widely reported that people assume that Mossad is the main entity behind this.
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Ralph, è stato assai ampiamente riportato che si ipotizza che il Mossad sia l'autore principale dell'accaduto.
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en-it
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Is that your opinion?
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Jakie jest twoje zdanie?
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en-pl
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Ralph Langner: Okay, you really want to hear that?
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Ralph Langner: Gerai, jūs tikrai norite tai išgirsti?
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en-lt
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Yeah. Okay.
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Да. Добре.
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en-bg
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My opinion is that the Mossad is involved, but that the leading force is not Israel.
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Min åsikt är att Mossad är inblandad, men att den ledande kraften bakom inte är Israel.
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en-sv
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So the leading force behind that is the cyber superpower.
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Quindi la forza trainante dietro tutto ciò è una super potenza digitale.
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en-it
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There is only one, and that's the United States -- fortunately, fortunately.
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Αυτή είναι μόνο μία και είναι οι ΗΠΑ -- ευτυχώς, ευτυχώς.
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en-el
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Because otherwise, our problems would even be bigger.
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Porque de outro modo os nossos problemas seriam ainda maiores.
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en-pt
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CA: Thank you for scaring the living daylights out of us. Thank you, Ralph.
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CA: 우리 모두를 겁나게 해주셔서 감사합니다.
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en-ko
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Adrian Kohler: Well, we're here today to talk about the evolution of a puppet horse.
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Adrian Kohler: Oggi siamo qui per raccontarvi dell'evoluzione di un cavallo-marionetta.
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en-it
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Basil Jones: But actually we're going to start this evolution with a hyena.
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Базил Джоунс: Но всъщност тази еволюция започва с една хиена.
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en-bg
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AK: The ancestor of the horse.
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亞德里恩 科勒:鬣狗也就是木偶戰馬的祖先
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en-zh-tw
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Okay, we'll do something with it.
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Ok, nós vamos fazer alguma coisa com ela.
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en-pt-br
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(Laughter) Hahahaha.
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(Смях) Хахахахахахаха.
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en-bg
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The hyena is the ancestor of the horse because it was part of a production called "Faustus in Africa," a Handspring Production from 1995, where it had to play draughts with Helen of Troy.
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Linh cẩu là tổ tiên của ngựa bởi vì nó là một nhân vật trong vở diễn có tên gọi "Faustus ở châu Phi," của nhà hát Handspring năm 1995, trong đó nó phải chơi cờ đam với nàng Helen thành Troy.
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en-vi
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This production was directed by South African artist and theater director, William Kentridge.
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ผลงานนี้กำกับโดย ศิลปินและผู้กำกับละครชาวแอฟริกาใต้ วิลเลี่ยม เคนทริดจ์
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en-th
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So it needed a very articulate front paw.
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Elle avait donc besoin d'une patte avant très articulée.
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en-fr
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But, like all puppets, it has other attributes.
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Но, как и у всех кукол, у неё есть другие особенности.
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en-ru
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BJ: One of them is breath, and it kind of breathes.
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貝索 瓊斯:其中之一就是呼吸 他能呼吸
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en-zh-tw
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AK: Haa haa haaa.
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AK: haa haa haa.
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en-it
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BJ: Breath is really important for us.
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BJ: A lehellet nagyon fontos számunkra.
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en-hu
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It's the kind of original movement for any puppet for us onstage.
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Для любой из наших кукол на сцене это как бы изначальное движение.
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en-ru
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It's the thing that distinguishes the puppet -- AK: Oops.
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E ceea ce diferenţiază marioneta -- AK: Pardon.
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en-ro
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BJ: From an actor.
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vom Schauspieler.
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en-de
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Puppets always have to try to be alive.
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Куклите винаги трябва да се опитват да оживяват.
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en-bg
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It's their kind of ur-story onstage, that desperation to live.
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E versiunea lor de mit pus în scenă, disperarea de a trăi.
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en-ro
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AK: Yeah, it's basically a dead object, as you can see, and it only lives because you make it.
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AK: Sí, como pueden ven, en esencia es un objeto muerto y sólo vive porque uno lo hace vivir.
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en-es
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An actor struggles to die onstage, but a puppet has to struggle to live.
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Um ator luta para morrer em palco, mas uma marioneta tem de lutar para viver.
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en-pt
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And in a way that's a metaphor for life.
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Si asta-i o metaforă a vieţii într-un fel.
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en-ro
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BJ: So every moment it's on the stage, it's making the struggle.
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BJ: Quindi in ogni istante che trascorre sul palco, sta lottando.
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en-it
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So we call this a piece of emotional engineering that uses up-to-the-minute 17th century technology -- (Laughter) to turn nouns into verbs.
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Nous appelons donc ceci un bout d'ingénierie émotionnelle qui utilise une technologie du 17ème siècle à jour à la minute près -- (Rires) pour transformer des noms en verbes.
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en-fr
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AK: Well actually I prefer to say that it's an object constructed out of wood and cloth with movement built into it to persuade you to believe that it has life.
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AK: De fapt aş prefera să spun că este un obiect construit din lemn şi pânză, cu locomoţie incorporată pentru a vă convinge că are suflu.
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en-ro
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BJ: Okay so.
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BJ: Ok, dus.
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en-nl
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AK: It has ears that move passively when the head goes.
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AK: Tem orelhas que se movem passivamente quando a cabeça se mexe.
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en-pt
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BJ: And it has these bulkheads made out of plywood, covered with fabric -- curiously similar, in fact, to the plywood canoes that Adrian's father used to make when he was a boy in their workshop.
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BJ: E ha questi tramezzi di compensato, rivestiti di stoffa... curiosamente simili, di fatto, alle canoe di compensato che il padre di Adrian gli costruiva nel loro laboratorio quando era piccolo.
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en-it
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AK: In Port Elizabeth, the village outside Port Elizabeth in South Africa.
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AK: In een dorpje bij Port Elizabeth in Zuid-Afrika.
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en-nl
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BJ: His mother was a puppeteer.
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BJ: Sua madre era burattinaia.
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en-it
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And when we met at art school and fell in love in 1971, I hated puppets.
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E quando nós nos conhecemos na escola de arte e nos apaixonamos em 1971. eu detestava as marionetes.
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en-pt-br
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I really thought they were so beneath me.
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总觉得它们很低贱
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en-zh-cn
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I wanted to become an avant-garde artist -- and Punch and Judy was certainly not where I wanted to go.
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Я хотів стати художником-авангардистом, тому Панч і Джуді – зовсім не те, що було мені потрібно.
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en-uk
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And, in fact, it took about 10 years to discover the Bambara Bamana puppets of Mali in West Africa, where there's a fabulous tradition of puppetry, to learn a renewed, or a new, respect for this art form.
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事实上,我花了十年 来发掘 非洲西部的马里的特有木偶 那里有令人惊叹的木偶制作传统 从而领会到了更新的,或者说是全新的 对于木偶艺术的崇敬
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en-zh-cn
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AK: So in 1981, I persuaded Basil and some friends of mine to form a puppet company.
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أدريان كوهلير : في عام 1981 حاولت اقناع بسيل واصدقاء لي لكي نؤسس شركة دُمى
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en-ar
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And 20 years later, miraculously, we collaborated with a company from Mali, the Sogolon Marionette Troupe of Bamako, where we made a piece about a tall giraffe.
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Și 20 de ani mai târziu, ca prin minune, am colaborat cu o companie din Mali, Sogolon Marionette Troupe din Bamako, unde am făcut un spectacol despre o girafă înaltă.
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en-ro
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It was just called "Tall Horse," which was a life-sized giraffe.
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ซึ่งมีชื่อว่า"ม้าสูง" มีความสูงเท่ายีราฟจริง
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en-th
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BJ: And here again, you see the same structure.
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BJ: A tu znovu vidíte rovnakú štruktúru.
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en-sk
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The bulkheads have now turned into hoops of cane, but it's ultimately the same structure.
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A lemezeket itt nád karikák váltották fel, de alapvetően ugyanaz a váz.
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en-hu
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It's got two people inside it on stilts, which give them the height, and somebody in the front who's using a kind of steering wheel to move that head.
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Dos personas en su interior sobre zancos le dan el alto y alguien al frente usa una especie de volante para mover esa cabeza.
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en-es
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AK: The person in the hind legs is also controlling the tail, a bit like the hyena -- same mechanism, just a bit bigger.
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AK: La persona de las patas traseras también controla la cola, un poco como en la hiena, el mismo mecanismo pero un poco más grande.
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en-es
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And he's controlling the ear movement.
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A on kontroluje pohyby uší.
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en-sk
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BJ: So this production was seen by Tom Morris of the National Theatre in London.
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بسيل جونز :هذا التصميم شاهده توم موريس في المسرح القومي في لندن
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en-ar
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And just around that time, his mother had said, "Have you seen this book by Michael Morpurgo called 'War Horse'?"
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Tot cam pe atunci mama lui ii zisese: "Ai văzut cartea asta a lui Michael Morpurgo, "Calul Troian?"
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en-ro
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AK: It's about a boy who falls in love with a horse.
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א.ק: מסופר בו על ילד שמתאהב בסוס.
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en-he
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The horse is sold to the First World War, and he joins up to find his horse.
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De a lovat eladják a hadseregnek az I. világháborúban, és a fiú beáll katonának, hogy megtalálja a lovát.
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en-hu
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BJ: So Tom gave us a call and said, "Do you think you could make us a horse for a show to happen at the National Theatre?"
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BJ: Thế là Tom gọi điện cho chúng tôi và nói rằng, "Các anh nghĩ các anh có thể làm cho chúng tôi một chú ngựa cho một vở diễn ở Nhà Hát Quốc Gia không?"
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en-vi
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AK: It seemed a lovely idea.
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AK: Aquilo parecia uma adorável ideia.
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en-pt-br
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BJ: But it had to ride. It had to have a rider.
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BJ: Pero tenía que poder montarse. Tenía que llevar un jinete.
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en-es
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AK: It had to have a rider, and it had to participate in cavalry charges.
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Musiał mieć jeźdźca. AK: Musiał mieć jeźdźca i musiał uczestniczyć w szarżach kawalerii.
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en-pl
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(Laughter) A play about early 20th century plowing technology and cavalry charges was a little bit of a challenge for the accounting department at the National Theatre in London.
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(Risate) Un'opera sulla tecnologia dell'aratro del ventesimo secolo e sulle battaglie a cavallo rappresentava una bella sfida per l'ufficio contabilità del National Theatre di Londra.
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en-it
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But they agreed to go along with it for a while.
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Aber sie stimmten letztendlich zu.
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en-de
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So we began with a test.
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そこで まずテストを始めました
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en-ja
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BJ: This is Adrian and Thys Stander, who went on to actually design the cane system for the horse, and our next-door neighbor Katherine, riding on a ladder.
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BJ: Ez Adrian és Thys Stander, aki végül megtervezte a nád vázat a lóhoz, és a szomszédunk, Katherine, aki egy létrán lovagol.
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en-hu
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The weight is really difficult when it's up above your head.
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Складно тримати вагу, коли вона у тебе над головою.
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en-uk
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AK: And once we put Katherine through that particular brand of hell, we knew that we might be able to make a horse, which could be ridden.
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亞德里恩 科勒:一旦我們讓凱瑟琳 經歷了這個特別的煉獄 我們就知道我們應該可以製作一匹馬,一匹可以騎的馬
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en-zh-tw
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So we made a model.
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Wykonaliśmy więc makietę.
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en-pl
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This is a cardboard model, a little bit smaller than the hyena.
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هذا نموذج خشبي انه اصغر قليلاً من الضبع
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en-ar
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You'll notice that the legs are plywood legs and the canoe structure is still there.
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Vous remarquerez que les pattes sont en contreplaqué et la structure du canoé est encore là.
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en-fr
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BJ: And the two manipulators are inside.
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貝索 瓊斯:兩個操縱者在裡面
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en-zh-tw
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But we didn't realize at the time that we actually needed a third manipulator, because we couldn't manipulate the neck from inside and walk the horse at the same time.
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当时我们没有意识到 我们其实需要第三个操纵者 因为我们不能从里面 控制脖子的运动 同时也让马行走
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en-zh-cn
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AK: We started work on the prototype after the model was approved, and the prototype took a bit longer than we anticipated.
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AK : Nous avons commencé à travailler sur un prototype après que la maquette a été approuvée, et le prototype a pris un peu plus longtemps que nous pensions.
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en-fr
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We had to throw out the plywood legs and make new cane ones.
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Наложи се да изхвърлим шперплатовите крака и да направим нови от тръстика.
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en-bg
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And we had a crate built for it.
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Și am construit un container pentru el.
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en-ro
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It had to be shipped to London.
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El kellett szállítanunk Londonba.
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en-hu
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We were going to test-drive it on the street outside of our house in Cape Town, and it got to midnight and we hadn't done that yet.
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我们原本想在我们克珀城外的道路上试跑 但是一直忙到半夜我们也没顾得上试跑一回
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en-zh-cn
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BJ: So we got a camera, and we posed the puppet in various galloping stances.
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BJ: Szóval fogtunk egy kamerát, és beállítottuk a bábot különböző vágtázó pózokba.
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en-hu
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And we sent it off to the National Theatre, hoping that they believed that we created something that worked.
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Wir schickten es ans "National Theatre" in der Hoffnung, dass sie glauben würden, dass wir etwas Funktionierendes entwicklet hätten.
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en-de
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(Laughter) AK: A month later, we were there in London with this big box and a studio full of people about to work with us.
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(Nevetés) AK: Egy hónappal később Londonban voltunk ezzel a hatalmas ládával és egy csapattal, akik nekünk dolgoztak.
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en-hu
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BJ: About 40 people.
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Ungefähr 40 Leute.
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en-de
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AK: We were terrified.
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АК: Мы ужасно боялись.
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en-ru
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We opened the lid, we took the horse out, and it did work; it walked and it was able to be ridden.
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Abrimos la caja, sacamos el caballo, y funcionó; caminaba y estaba listo para ser montado.
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en-es
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Here I have an 18-second clip of the very first walk of the prototype.
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ผมมีคลิ๊ป18วินาที ของการเดินครั้งแรกของต้นแบบ
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en-th
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This is in the National Theatre studio, the place where they cook new ideas.
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هذا المسرح القومي في لندن انه المكان الذي تطبخ فيه الافكار الجديدة
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en-ar
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It had by no means got the green light yet.
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De ninguna manera tenía luz verde todavía.
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en-es
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The choreographer, Toby Sedgwick, invented a beautiful sequence where the baby horse, which was made out of sticks and bits of twigs, grew up into the big horse.
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De choreograaf, Toby Sedgwick, bedacht een prachtige enscenering waarin het veulen, dat was gemaakt van stokjes en twijgjes, opgroeide tot volwassen paard.
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en-nl
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And Nick Starr, the director of the National Theatre, saw that particular moment, he was standing next to me -- he nearly wet himself.
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國家劇院的導演尼克史塔爾 看到了這個特別的片段,他站在我旁邊,他差點要尿濕褲子了
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en-zh-tw
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And so the show was given the green light.
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그리곤 그 공연은 비로소 승인을 받았습니다.
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en-ko
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And we went back to Cape Town and redesigned the horse completely.
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我们回到克珀城,重新设计了整匹马。
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en-zh-cn
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Here is the plan.
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הנה התכנית.
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en-he
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(Laughter) And here is our factory in Cape Town where we make horses.
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(笑) これはケープ・タウンにある 私たちの工房で 馬を製作する場所です
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en-ja
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You can see quite a lot of skeletons in the background there.
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Veem-se bastantes esqueletos ao fundo.
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en-pt
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The horses are completely handmade.
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Коней роблять повністю вручну.
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en-uk
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There is very little 20th century technology in them.
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יש בהם מעט מאד טכנולוגיה של המאה העשרים.
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en-he
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We used a bit of laser cutting on the plywood and some of the aluminum pieces.
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Abbiamo usato un po' il laser per tagliare il compensato e alcuni pezzi in alluminio.
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en-it
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But because they have to be light and flexible, and each one of them is different, they can't be mass-produced, unfortunately.
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Вони мають бути легкими та гнучкими, і кожен з них чимось відрізняється, тому, на жаль, їх не можна виробляти серійно.
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en-uk
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So here are some half-finished horses ready to be worked in London.
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Voici donc des chevaux à moitié finis prêts à être retravaillés à Londres.
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en-fr
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And now we would like to introduce you to Joey.
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А теперь мы познакомим вас с Джои.
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en-ru
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Joey boy, you there?
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小喬依,你在哪裡?
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en-zh-tw
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Joey.
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Joey.
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en-de
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(Applause) (Applause) Joey.
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(аплодисменти) (аплодисменти) Джоуи.
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en-bg
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Joey, come here.
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Джои, иди сюда.
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en-ru
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No, no, I haven't got it.
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Nu, nu, n-o am.
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en-ro
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