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some laws, both in the u.s. and certainly elsewhere outside the u.s., there have been a bunch of laws that are direct to that content moderation and that is going to continue. i work-
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very, very strongly about what that does and whether that locks everyone into a specific type of content moderation and what that means over the long term for freedom of speech-
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on the internet.thank you so much for joining the segment, mike.thank you for having me.
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listen to that one first as we sort of jump in the middle of this one. so, just listening to this without hearing last week's might be a little confusing-
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means of today, as that was a bit of the discussion that we had last week in terms of how satisfied people actually were with their internet services. the latter half of today's podcast-
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so they're a little difficult to hear at times if you are in a quiet place and can listen closely, you can probably hear them, but it might be a little-
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but difficult. however, the answers, obviously, we're still mic'd up and hopefully you can understand the gist of the questions from the answers. i think a few of them-
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we ask for sort of clarifying or sort of repeat the questions as well. so, hopefully it should be okay. and i apologize if it's a little annoying that you can't fully-
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hear the audience questions and with that, i will get you right to the podcast. so, enjoy the second half of this fun panel discussion. thank.
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oh man, i totally lost my thought. it's okay.take your time.so what was i going to say?
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oh yeah. so, i don't want to give too much credence to peter thiel but, he is on the board member, facebook and he calls competition-
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competition is for losers. and i think he's very outspoken and i just don't know how many investors feel that way. and i don't know how many big companies-
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feel that way. we can talk about how great competition is, but at the end of the day, there are these people who have-
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an immense amount of power. and i don't think they want to give it away. i think they, i don't want to demonize them, i think they feel-
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a lot of responsibility and i think that they can do the right thing.
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so, through my years at eff, i pretty much got disillusioned by the ability to rely on tech companies-
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or even like the tech industry, in a lot of ways, to try and make laws better. even from the lens of competition, just because things just kept getting worse and things-
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their new organization to oversee some sort of interoperability law-
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there are things like tax incentives. maybe you can have huge tax incentives, not that they don't pay any taxes already, but have tax incentives for them to create interoperability-
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... you know? there's other ways to do it-
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... towards infrastructure that is not facebook, that is not instagram, that is not these things that just capture our data and our attention. and, even though i think-
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... not even facebook became a billion-dollar company overnight. there's a lot of slow growth that happens, and i think-
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... it would be so cool if i could have twitter and the person running twitter, i'm talking about mastodon, is my neighbor, or is my-
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... i don't know, my minister. but, there's different ways to build trust into the networks that we have, and i think these federated ways, these peer-to-peer ways-
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... also work at the oakland public library and often i work at one of the libraries built by andrew carnegie over a hundred years ago. he gave-
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... what this world could look like, and this is perhaps pessimistic, but in my way, it's a bit optimistic. a world like this preserves freedom of speech, but-
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... is that something that people are ready for? because, as i was talking with mike about earlier, there are all these edge cases and these trade-offs for things that we are really looking to-
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... to seek in this decentralized web, right? we talk about freedom of speech and censorship resistance, but with that comes a really great personal responsibility, and i guess it's just-
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... it's a question that i like to think about and pose to everyone else as well. it's like, is that something that we're truly ready for? how do we moderate that? and how do we-
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... ensure that when we're building these things, it creates more fair access, but doesn't hinder anybody's rights?
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yeah, i mean, i think there are a few different things to this, and part of it's that nobody knows what this world looks like, right? and nobody's got-
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... that crystal ball. and i think anyone who says that this is what the world's going to look like is wrong and they're going to be proven wrong. but what's-
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... what i think is interesting about this possible world is that it is one that-
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... everybody, or at least a large group of people get to create rather than a small group of people at a very small number of companies, right?
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the idea behind this is, that it opens it up so that if you don't like it, if you don't like the way that this is set up, you can build something different and-
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... not have to bring in everybody else, but bring in enough people and pull from other sources and make that work and still have some control over the data and how it's used-
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... and things like that.and that enables something great. so if people want a heavily moderated platform, they can go-
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... to that, or they can build that themselves, or they can find the people who have built that and they can live in that world. if people want a less moderated world and they-
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... don't mind spam and abuse, then they can do. it allows for different situations and building out different kinds of solutions and different attempts. and people can sort of self-
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... mark zuckerberg deciding, "this is what is allowed. this is what is not allowed." whether or not that puts more pressure for the government-
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... to come in and say, "whoa, there's really bad content in this corner of the world-
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... that already exists today. we have lots of stuff where people are saying, "there's horrible people over there." that doesn't change, but in this world, we don't have to just rely-
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... on a couple companies within a 50-mile radius of where we're sitting right now, making all of these decisions. and i think that enables-
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... a much more interesting world in which people sort of self-select into the kind of world that they want to see.
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... and then as soon as they see the read receipt, they delete it. and twitter won't accept screenshots as reports of harassment. good for them, right? because they're too easy-
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... but there is that guy who started juicero and now wants us to drink wild water. but in general, there is no big cholera lobbying for more cholera, more microorganisms-
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... [inaudible 00:08:39] your [inaudible 00:08:40].of course.
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yeah. anonymity is a separate question in terms of
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and how important that is. and i think.
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certainly useful for people who are being harassed and threatened or at risk. i think we have to be very careful about saying, "oh, just toss out anonymity" and go.
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somehow confirmed or verified or endorsed in some sense, but you don't have to reveal who they are and that creates certain
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and services to where obviously that makes that happen,they usually show it [inaudible 00:01:40].
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[crosstalk 00:01:47]sure. oh so there's.that's the deep web.the deep web as opposed to the dark web.
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so basically saying that, everyone talks about the big platforms that we already talked about. there are billions of other websites out there that lots of people use in all different ways
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and those exist and that's a good thing, but they're not providing the same kinds of services, i think, as what everyone is talking about here.
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... in some specific place but-
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ideal data from peopleso the idea being if everybody had their own control of their identity, in some sense,
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would that sort of decrease the need for a facebook? so there's an interesting point in there, which is that to some extent, for many people and for many services.
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i didn't know why that was useful and why that happened. there are a bunch of companies and not companies, but organizations or groups of people who are trying to build.
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sort of an identity layer. it's a very, very, very difficult problem. and it has been tried in many, many different ways and it has failed in many, many different ways.
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but yes. in theory, if someone could do that, well, that would be a very useful service and could lessen the need for a.
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my name's clea myhills identity woman. i've actually been stewarding in the community working the identity layer that you're speaking of and.
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i think we're going to see a real exclusion in the next year of these new tools and services that can.
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sort of create a path out of the facebook box that we're in. i just wanted to name that since it's surfaced in this conversation
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before you trust anything and that's at least my mo lately is "that sounds like a really cool app, bro, but where are you getting your money?"
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and how are you organizing yourself? are you making 20 times more than another employee, maybe one that is a woman or a person of color.
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those are things that are really important to think about and.
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that's, i think ,as much of a conversation about the internet infrastructure as any of these technologies.
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[inaudible 00:07:48].
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funding [inaudible 00:05:56-00:06:10].
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yeah and moxie had this blog post that gets thrown at me somewhat frequently. and.
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and i've taken to throwing it back to people when people ask, "what are the challenges to this approach i will point them to moxie's. it's a very well-written, very thoughtful blog post about the.
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the difficulties of protocols. it's really a governance question that he's pointing out and it's worth reading and worth thinking about.
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this approach that i talk about is not.
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it's not easy and i'm not saying that it's this "hey, yes conesia" that's the word i was thinking of.
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that it just solves our problems and you just follow this and it's.
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it lays it all out there each.one of the things that's happened since this paper came out and certainly since jack mentioned.
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mentioned it is that i've been having conversation after conversation about "what does this look like? how would this actually happen?" and i'll
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go down a path, then i'll have brainstorming conversation after brainstorming conversations, and every one of them goes in the same way where it's if you focus on identity
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as a key, what would that look like? and you go down this path and then all of a sudden you say, "ah, well, there's a little problem here. okay. well, let's try it. what if we focus on
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data storage and data bank where someone can host their own data and then you go down this path and you say, "oh, well there's a problem.every one of these approaches.
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has certain problems. that doesn't mean they're not solvable, but there are challenges involved with each one. and what moxie's piece
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in one of them,
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you might also be able to deal with a bunch of the problems that he discusses in terms of being able to actually fund a product.
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call that that you can continually update and innovate on it. and i will note that part of the reason why moxie is able to build his thing.
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is he has a whole bunch of money right now, which came from facebook, not directly, but there are reasons why these things happen but.
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i want to respond.yeah, go ahead, [inaudible 00:00:15].yeah. okay.
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you just want to build in some great feedback loops. you just want to be able to look at how well the system is working and figure out whether the people involved in that system...
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... to be a commons, and thinking about how we can break down these decisions and how we relate to each other and how we make decisions is really important.and part of that is...
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... the ability if a group is, or an individual is making bad or dangerous decisions, the ability to move and lead...
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service archive an effective benchmark for eliminating the role of these firms and whether [inaudible 00:01:04] what you think. and then maybe you could cater to that.
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these are contracts that you don't get to negotiate. these are contracts that...
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... that nobody cares about and nobody reads. i have trouble taking them seriously as a contract in the normal sense of a contract. and it's not like...
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... if you don't like the terms of service of a facebook, that you can call up zuck and say, "hey, i'm going to cross out section 2b...
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... and i'd like to write in this." that's not the way it works. and so it's not a contract in the traditional sense. and so i don't think there's much value...
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yeah. and that's true of any of those, like privacy policies also, same thing. privacy policies, i think, are the dumbest thing in the world. i think we've built this really weird situation where...
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... we rely on a privacy policy as our privacy policy globally. and the funny thing is a privacy...
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... policy in... well, laws are changing, but currently in the us, for the most part, the privacy policy can say, "we don't give a shit about-
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... your privacy, and we're going to just going to throw away all your data and give it to whoever wants it." and you think, "oh, they have a privacy policy. they must...
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"... keep my information private," because nobody reads it. and the only way they get in trouble is if they violate that privacy policy. so companies have incentive to write that as broadly as...
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