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N | 4 | 4 | 4 | 480 | Male | Train | ...of the problems of the earn it act. and so, she is here to explain this whole mess to us. welcome to the program. | [
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H | 3 | 4 | 4 | 480 | Male | Train | [inaudible 00:00:44] so, let's start with maybe a high level summary of what are your concerns with the latest version of the bill? | [
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N | 5 | 3 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | [inaudible 00:01:05], and that it just strips immunity under section 230 for csam offenses, full stop. and it's akin to this long line of bills that are aimed at- | [
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N | 4 | 3.2 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... and there was the coppa, the child online privacy act not to be confused with copa. now we have sesta/fosta which has been challenged in dc district court, including by one of my colleagues- | [
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H | 4 | 4 | 3 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... who is at stanford, daphne keller. and now, we have the earn it bill as sort of the latest, where there's these attempts to reign in the bad stuff on the internet. | [
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H | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... telling the providers that they need to censor and remove much more speech than is necessary. the effect of these laws has been, and the effect of the earn it- | [
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