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C | 4 | 2 | 7 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... remain eligible for continued section 230 immunity for csam on your service if you jump through a bunch of hoops of these best practices set by committee, but you would- | [
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N | 4 | 4 | 3 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... be stripped of immunity and exposed to liability if you didn't. that's the carrot and the stick. you mentioned that that's gone. and i think that in the manager's amendment that's intentional as a way to try to address- | [
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H | 4 | 4 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... be the state law that would potentially be converting a provider into an agent of the state and result in suppression. and if we, as you said, see providers adopting- | [
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N | 4 | 3 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... that kind of measure nationwide in order to comply with the most aggressive state law, then i don't know that that would even be limited just to- | [
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S | 3 | 5 | 3 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... prosecutions just within that particular state. right? so it could potentially still have this mass backfiring fourth amendment bomb in it-yeah.... even though they've yanked out the language that- | [
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X | 5 | 3 | 5 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... very clearly to my mind, and i wrote about this at length, created this fourth amendment issue. although, the fact that- | [
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U | 6 | 6 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | ... they pulled all that stuff out shows that, oh, these were never really voluntary in the first place.right!the measures that you have under the best practices. i think now this is intended- | [
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H | 3 | 4 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | some of how that still might be beneficial, right? i think that you could still, maybe, craft a fourth amendment- | [
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H | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1,335 | Female | Train | gun problem out of the remaining incentives. but i think this state law issue is a big one. and it goes back to why we have- | [
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H | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1,335 | Female | Train | probably criminalize things that they don't agree with there and vice versa.yeah. the fourth amendment one is really tricky to- | [
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U | 6 | 6 | 5 | 480 | Male | Train | wrap your head around if you're not deep in the weeds on this stuff. but i've spoken to different people. some people who do think that the new version of the bill, more or less fixed- | [
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H | 4 | 3 | 3 | 1,335 | Female | Train | those are the stakes there. and i think that when it comes to crafting policy, there's always some risk that the courts are going to interpret it in a way that you didn't- | [
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