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**Adam Stacoviak:** This is 7th April. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, no... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** This was all shared on the show already, so it's nothing new... She said, "I'm circling back because last week Mikeal and I were talking/joking about doing a podcast with Karl Fogel, and to nerd out about open source history and culture", and that was... It's so funny to look back in the past and se... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I was kind of nervous, I remember... Because I wasn't sure whether Mikeal is actually serious about wanting to do it, but I guess... \[laughter\] It was like, "We were kind of joking about, but...", but I think I got a DM like a week or two later being like, "So, are we doing this?" I was like, "Okay,... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And what about you, Mikeal? Were you excited about working with us, or what were your general thoughts on doing a podcast? Had you done one before? I know you've been on plenty, but have you actually produced a show before yourself or been a host? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Yeah, I've produced a couple, and this inevitable thing happened where I get too backed up in order to put them out... So I record them because I wanna have that conversation, and then I would eventually lose track of actually publishing them. |
Then when Node first started, there was a podcast called NodeUp that I hosted for the first few years, and that was also produced by somebody else, so it actually made it out on time, because I wasn't responsible for it. So as I was looking at that and trying to do one again, it was really important that somebody else ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So did we mention the music at all by any chance? I mean, I know we -- is anybody a fan of the music that is the theme song for Request for Commits? Jerod, I know you are, so... |
**Jerod Santo:** So I don't get to say anything? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, you can say whatever you want, but... |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm a fan. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...we know you're a huge fan of that music, because we were a part of creating it. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** True. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...which is a back-story no one else knows about, so maybe share that. |
**Jerod Santo:** So now we want Nadia and Mikeal to tell us how much THEY like the music. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Well, I love it, but I was already a Breakmaster Cylinder fan before you all played it, so... |
**Jerod Santo:** You were primed. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I didn't know who Breakmaster Cylinder was until this, but then I looked Breakmaster Cylinder up, and that was pretty cool. To Mikeal's point, by the way, about getting stuff out on time, and everything... Honestly, having you guys produce the show and keep the trains right on time is the huge part of... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** And the sound quality. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Yes! |
**Mikeal Rogers:** ...and the editing, and everything. I listed to a lot of podcasts, and it's noticeable how ones that don't sound as well or aren't as well put together, I will start listening to less, just because it takes more mental energy to listen to them. So yeah, that's just been phenomenal. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[32:07\] Awesome. Well, that's a big part of producing podcasts, we feel - quality content. There's so many facets to the idea of quality content. It's not only the content you're creating and making it engaging and informative, but also taking a positive stance towards good mics, good post-process... |
So let's wrap up with the plan for season two. Unless there's anything else y'all wanna share about season one, let's move on to some plans on season two. Anything before we open that up yet? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Could we talk just a little bit about the reaction that we've gotten so far? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, please. That's a good point. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I know that you all have seen a lot... I was at Offline Camp, and Max Ogden was there and he was doing sort of a passion talk version of what it takes to get grant funding for open source, which was great. When he finished, Gregor, who runs the event was like, "Oh, and if you're really interested in ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What about you, Nadia? Any favorite moments from people you've met in the community that were like, "I love this show, it's so great! Keep doing it!" |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I'm just amazed that people are listening to it. \[laughs\] Because I didn't wanna be really annoying about promoting the show all the time. I talked about it when it came out, I think I've shared out a couple of episodes, but I wasn't being overly promotional, so it's always a delight when someone ra... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Anybody reach out and give you a hug, Jerod, on this show? Did you mention this show at OSCON or different conferences you've been at recently? |
**Jerod Santo:** Absolutely. I think even our member's chat - The Changelog members, we have a lot of people who love RFC. I think Justin Dorfman is one of them who's constantly saying Request for Commits is his favorite Changelog show, which is a love/hate response for me. \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, me too. |
**Jerod Santo:** As a co-host of The Changelog, you know... I love hearing that and I hate hearing that, but... It's been good, it's been good. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The response... There's been a lot of people when I was at Node.js Interactive recently - there's been several people who were similar, like "I love The Changelog, but man... That new show, Request for Commits - it's just... It's really good. Don't stop doing that." So that must be some pretty good ... |
Let's talk about that, then, unless we have any more before we open up the expectation for season two for the listeners. Nothing else? |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Nope. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. So the plan, roughly, for season two is recording and producing in quarter one of next year, so January, Februaryish, and then working towards late March, Aprilish (quarter two) season two out there. What do you all think about that? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** That seems doable. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** We're gonna try hard. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We're gonna try hard. I think what's different too about this, and it's helped me see a different side of podcasting, because I've always been like "You gotta do it weekly for it to be successful", and I think something this show has helped me realize is a different side; this is to anybody out ther... |
\[36:25\] As long as you set the expectation to the listening audience and do a good job of being top of mind at some point in the near future, like Nadia, the work that you do, Mikeal, the work that you do - you're both relevant in the community, so your personal relevance keeps the DNA of the show live because later ... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I'm glad it's worked out that way, because I don't know that we could have done it weekly, but I love the idea of having these nice little bundles of information... Like with season one, we were thinking about a theme for each of those episodes, and they all kind of fit together into this one complete... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. One of my favorites, on that note, is The Newsroom from HBO, and it's three seasons long; Aaron Sorkin wrote it, and the writing and the cinematography is phenomenal, and I'm upset that it's three seasons, but at the same time I'm glad it's over, because I don't know if I can handle seven yea... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** It's perfect. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, too much Sorkin can be a bad thing. He's best in small quantities. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, that's true. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I think also how we think about this show changes with this kind of seasonal mindset, because it's not just that it's hard to schedule us and that we travel a lot, it's also the kinds of guests that we're getting and how we wanna approach them. Some of them we talk about how to approach for months, a... |
There's one guest that we've been talking about for at least three months, and I keep thinking about how to approach this person, which angle to come at it from. We wouldn't be able to do that if it was a weekly show where every week we're like "Oh, who's doing something cool that we can schedule in and just kind of ge... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah, we're not just trying to fill a slot... Because our time is precious, everyone's time is precious on this show, and we're trying to really think through what does each episode say and what does it stand for. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Which I think is the exact thing I personally needed on the perspective of podcasts, because we feel like -- maybe it's more of a me thing (I don't know, Jerod, if you share this feeling or not), but we almost have this pressure in our position to create blockbuster podcasts... Good podcasts that ge... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** \[40:04\] Yeah, it's just different. I love both... I love Saturday Night Live, but they don't put together sketches because they're all the best sketches, they put it together because it's Saturday and it's midnight and they have to do a show. |
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