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**Jerod Santo:** Exactly, yeah. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** And there's something to that - they get to be much more topical and they get to be part of the culture of now, but also I still watch old episodes of the Chappelle Show in a way that I don't watch old episodes of SNL. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. Yeah, the constraint requires them to be creative in certain senses, so that will squeeze out creativity where it otherwise would not have. At the same time, it also means that you're shipping a bunch of stuff that is half-baked, you know? So it's constraints... |
I'm just a fan of podcasts as a medium because there aren't any rules; we decide how this show is gonna run, and hopefully we can find ways, just like in software, of sustaining that or not, but it really is a bit of a playground or a place where you can experiment, and different shows can have different feels and diff... |
In light of all that, tell us what your thoughts are for season two. I know we have a bit of a working theme that we're trying to focus on, but give us some insights on what people can look forward to. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** We've been putting out this call - I know Nadia's been asking for people on Twitter and so have I... We're trying to get people to tell us about more unsung heroes, people that we wouldn't necessarily already know about that we can feature on the show, that have done really important work around sust... |
That's not what the whole season will be about. There's a bunch of other great people that we're planning on having and that we'll continue to consider, that we actually do know about. But you know, continually soliciting these sorts of unsung heroes is a way to get at that research that we really can't do on our own. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah, totally. I mean, again, selfishly, it's also an excuse to find new people that I just have never heard about who are doing interesting work and already from putting out a call for that I've been hearing about new people and that's been awesome. I think because I'm fairly new to this space, when ... |
And then also the concept of unsung hero is not just people that we don't know, but also people doing the kinds of work on open source projects that might not always get attention. So when I put out a request about this, a couple of people were talking about conferences and events, and events being a really big part of... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[44:32\] How about a place or a way that people can contact and give the unsung heroes an opportunity to be on RFC season two? If you have somebody who you know is perfect for this, or they're doing something that they haven't gotten much spotlight, or respect, and they wanna reach out to either Nadia... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Twitter's fine, yeah. Send it to us on Twitter. Also, don't hound us... We've had a couple people that are a little bit too persistent. There's a lot that we consider when we think about a guest. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** And it's not just, "Are you interesting or not?", it's the higher themes and things, so it's not personal... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So don't be offended if you don't make the cut, so to speak. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's a hard position to be into - to have to tell people no. But with 11 or 12 or so episodes in a season, you really have to weigh each decision wisely, to match what you're trying to get across. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's a good point. We get 52 shows a year, and you guys get a handful every season, so it's very selective. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We are Saturday Night Live, Jerod. We just... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, no! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We need to ship a show every week because we got to. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, no! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, my... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** But you have a much broader topic base as well, so... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, we do... \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was just jabbing you, Mikeal, because you said that. I was like, "Oh, that's pretty much us." |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I love Saturday Night Live. |
**Jerod Santo:** We're like the Dana Carvey, Mike Myers and then Will Ferrell era. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes. The one you go back to listen to or watch. |
**Jerod Santo:** Or like the good SNL, right? \[laughter\] |
**Mikeal Rogers:** There's a space in between those two eras, by the way. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, well I'm just picking the best parts and putting it all together. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, if that's it for this, we really wanted to just to a behind the scenes of season one and this show and the people behind it and what goes into it, so that you, the listener, can appreciate the quality which we attempt to bring with each new season, and kind of get a look at Mikeal and Nadia fr... |
I'm proud. I'm proud of the work for season one, I'm looking forward to season two, I'm really excited for it, so if you're listening to this, go to changelog.com/rfc, click Subscribe. Do not miss a show, season two is set for quarter two of 2017. We'll be recording in quarter one, so lots of fun happening there. If yo... |
Anything else y'all wanna share? If not, we'll say goodbye. What else have we got? Nothing? |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Nothing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Nothing. Bye, thanks! We'll see you soon. |
**Jerod Santo:** Bye! |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Bye! |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Bye! |
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