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this jobs here is, is member engagement and direct engagement with the users.
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yeah. so at cancer research uk you were patient liaison officer.
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is that these are patients that they use for case studies or.
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yeah. and the listeners will have no idea what you look like, where you're from, anything like that. so could you fill people in on ah yes. you as a human being?
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yeah. so, so yesterday i was interviewing someone for the podcast who is a british-born
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girl. i think i can say girl?
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she's 18. she's still at school. and her parents are algerian. so she... oop. yeah.
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she said like, she doesn't speak english at home.
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she lives a very algerian life when she goes home, you know, she was saying, you know, "i eat my couscous"...
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and you know, i definitely believe in that. i think you should involve the people you're trying to reach in every decision
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that you're trying to make, which was one of the great things at cancer research is having patients
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even team away days. you know? so, you know, that sounds like the right decision.
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i think each board should have one of their beneficiaries.
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like in terms of lived experience yesterday, ronya,
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this woman from camden was telling me that apparently if you're black, you're less likely to be diagnosed with tb.
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i mean there's that. yeah, that's...
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that happens. they have the same problem when they first brought the taps that you, that just wave your hand underneath
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it didn't recommend black, it didn't recognize black
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whoaaa people's pigmentation. i mean, again, you know, that's the danger of not having the right people in the room.
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it's going to be a problem for the sector. what problems do you think there will be?
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i obviously agree with you, but i'm just trying to build up as much of a mix of voices saying that in different ways.
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yeah. in the hope that some of it seeps through to people who don't.
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yeah, no, i think it's um... of the things that
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i remember doing recruitment myself. having had no training and you do skim through going, "oh, they've been to a great university, and a good school", so that's
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if you look globally, they're not the minority.
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there's quite a lot of, i thought i'd done a minority, but minority, but there's a lot of arabs in the world. and then all of,
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i'm not sure what it's trying to achieve. i'll be honest, it's nicely written
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i'm not entirely confident
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that it's going to go anywhere. and i think it's got some great people involved.
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i've seen the rest of the people that are involved, who are excellent fundraisers, i've worked with them
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when i worked at the iof. they're excellent volunteers, really brilliant people.
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so i think, you know, being quite frank,
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i do worry that the institute doesn't understand diversity
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enough to be able to lead it. mm-hmm (affirmative).
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so this is one of the things. as i say, i don't want it to sound personal, but this is one of these things that is across the sectors,
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it's not just the iof. right so everybody is very worried about the diversity of the sector.
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so everybody has been recruiting equality and diversity managers all around the place,
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i've seen the adverts pop up. okay. there was one at cancer research uk as well.
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so you have places that say our first three years of strategy is about skin color, essentially.
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who then recruit caucasian people to lead that strategy.
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i find that baffling, i've got to be honest. utterly, utterly baffling.
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i think it's equally appropriate as if you were to lead a women's equality manifesto and you recruited a man to lead it.
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often had and then people say it's the best place for the role.
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but i think if you can't find a bank person, who's the best person for the role to lead your bank strategy of diversification.
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perhaps the people recruiting for that role weren't the right people to be interviewing. to me-
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... that's what it says. it's your opinion that that person's the best person for the role.
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perhaps you're not fit because you don't know enough about diversity. perhaps you shouldn't be in charge of recruiting those people.
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and i've seen it all across the sector. i mean, it came up at my last workplace as well.
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originally there was a black man leading and he left. a caucasian woman, who's great, absolutely brilliant, came.
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i was the staff of the bank staff support.
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... was the chair of the staff group who bank. i mean, it really did impact. staff felt utterly demoralized.so do you think that-
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... anything simple that people in charities can do to improve diversity.
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or is it all hard and that's okay.
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how would you set targets without setting quotas?
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yeah. yeah. i think it needs to come with funding as well. they need to put some money where their mouth is because these things change as well.
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i mean, you're from a specific back-
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... on this podcast. do you drink tea? and if so, how do you like it?
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oh, thank you so much for your time.no, thank you.
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this is not the mandy johnson show.yeah.but it is the mandy johnson-no.
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okay. so can you give me a flavor for the sort of people apart from me who you want to meet?
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okay. so let's hear a little bit about you. how did you get into the charity world? how did you end up-
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... married a white man. and so i was working. when i first got married-
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... professional services organization or accountancy firms.
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some people would call them. and my husband kept on challenging...
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... the morality of what i was doing because my job was essentially to make rich partners...
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... richer.so was it immoral?i don't think it was immoral, but i guess...
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so he moved into the charity sector before i did, and he was coming home with a new sense of satisfaction that i couldn't get from money. and being a stubborn woman...
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... i ignored him for a while and carried on and i did love for a lot of my job at deloitte. but i guess i just saw-
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... the sense of satisfaction that he was getting, and that drew me over. so i moved into the charity sector about 11 years ago now.
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okay. so you moved out to deloitte into what?
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my first charity was nct. so worked in a support services team.
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since then i've met some of my best friends through nct, because they're the people who do the-
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... antenatal classes. in fact, i spent new year's eve with one of my nct friends.
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okay. as i understand it, because i'm not in the charity sector, but cancer research uk is the largest or was certainly one of the largest.it's the largest-
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... fundraising charities. there were a few big trusts that have more money than cancer research uk, but...
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the biggest-whereas nct, presumably isn't on that scale.
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no, nct is tens of millions, whereas cancer research uk is hundreds of millions.
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... and hospices. so they care specifically for people with terminal illnesses. so again, a really important charity doing amazing things.
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you left cancer research.
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we're talking in january, just a couple of months after that. that's when we're talking.
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january, 2019. it is now.okay.
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what about your own development? leaving your last job, for example.
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so you felt eventually that it was time for you to move on from that job.
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... conversations with my trustees or any serious conversations with my trustees.
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so i think the article was published on the thursday and on the saturday...
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i was walking through a dinosaur park with my...
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... children and my husband, and just couldn't stop crying.
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i turned a corner and would break down again.
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i was just so angry and upset with myself that i had done something that was...
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... perceived to be racist.
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i was upset. i was really angry with myself for letting myself be in that situation. and i was really angry with myself that...
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... i'd done something that made people feel uncomfortable because of their skin color. and that's so against every... if i had not been in that photograph...
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... i would have been criticizing all the women in that photograph. so i was so angry with myself.
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you're sounding quite rightly that you're looking back on it and that's good.
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absolutely. and i think, as i said previously, parts of the reason they're not focused on it is because of bizarre.
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so the person who-
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... angry about the lack of diversity within the charity sector and angry about how hard it was for her to speak at conferences.
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so i guess she's inspired a lot of my interest.
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carol is a black woman from nigeria originally.
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and every year she was applying to speak at the institute of fundraising national convention in the uk. and every year she was getting rejected.
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