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direct, super clear because i think that's who she was in the most refreshing way.
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brought in if it mattered and then stopped if it wasn't. and it really meant that we could get a lot done every time.
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so it was almost like if we were going to have a meeting and pro wasn't there then we wouldn't want to have it.
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i never felt like there was this huge divide between talking to the chair of my department and then later...
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a dean of engineering. she was approachable because she respected everybody.
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then she was your boss and your predecessor.
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well it's interesting. pearls in my history has sort of followed each other.
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so for example, we both studied metallurgical engineering.
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took her in and pearl heard michelle and said, "is there a baby around?" and right away came out and said, "oh my goodness, it's so wonderful to see a baby."
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what a welcoming presence. she also helped me find a house. she...
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went beyond what was typically needed and she also helped me find a family doctor, which in those days in waterloo there was a huge shortage and she knew i...
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she really took care of me as an entire person. not just making sure my research lab was ready but that the other parts of my life...
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she really stood out to me as a different kind of leader than i'd been used to in the past.
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those were my first experiences with pearl and i was so impressed with her and she taught me, i think when i came to waterloo...
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how important our students were and that they are the heart of the university and that really has resonated with me and that you should be taking a...
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i always say she led with her whole heart and that's what a leader should do.
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her humility, her respect for everybody.
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her willingness to listen more than speak. and in terms of the accomplishments she...
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said i think it was her laser focus on a few key areas that really led to exceptional outcomes.
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well, i just want to say since you can't see me, i've been aggressively nodding this entire time and i find that interesting because it's coming from a very...
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so spot on but the fact that pearl was able to do that across such a wide spectrum of what of...
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that's a lot to take on with your whole heart all the time and do really well.
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you know her jay, not just as a student and as a student leader...
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but also as an entrepreneur, because you're a founder of bufferbox, which...
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which was a startup that developed automated self-serve kiosks for parcel delivery so that students wouldn't keep missing their packages being delivered to the university.
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what was your interaction with her around that time?
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just full of support going over and above...
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into this entrepreneurial world. and i remember she'd invited us to come present to dean's council to share this wild aspiration that we had to start this company.
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our what card said that i still have the date that was okay and she knew that and was totally happy about it and i...
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think it's those types of things that maybe are defined in a principle of i want to enable...
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maximum potential and there's lots of wiggle room in the framework that we work in.
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but you're not doing any harm. and that in an institution, in any large institution is really hard.
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everybody should do. right? let's look at the intent...
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right. mary, you are the dean of engineering at waterloo now.
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yes i am.did pearl have any advice for you?
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well, a little bit. i really think she was a colleague...
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but most of all she was my friend.
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i miss her so much. but when i got the opportunity to be the dean at guelph...
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i approached her and i talked to her about it and she was quite disappointed that i was leaving waterloo.
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should take it. and so she did give me significant advice about not only how to approach being a dean...
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i definitely learned so much from her in terms of who she was as a leader.
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i think you'd be great for waterloo and it would be great to have you back.
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she really only gave advice when she was asked.
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she didn't give you unwanted advice and things. so...
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entrepreneurship and our students and making those connections and again, letting them realize their full human potential.
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and now it's very commonplace that everybody's into entrepreneurship.
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but i think she was one of the early adopters for those opportunities.
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and that's why waterloo continues to be a leader in...
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you were the head of women in engineering...
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always a very strong voice for and supporter of diversifying the engineering field and recruiting more women into the field. and...
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really was such a strong voice and supporter for getting more young women to consider engineering as a career choice for them and the value that they would bring.
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pearl always was so pleased to come and speak to the young women about being an engineer and the joy she had derived from her own career as...
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i think she was the fourth or fifth dean of engineering that's...
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was a woman across the country. so she was really a significant mentor and role model for many of us.
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as a multiple young student coming into a faculty to see that type of representation of diversity, whether...
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i think it's important to have the model of what we want the world to look like in a place like a university where people are learning what the world should...
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there was always something i took away from it that made me better, that made me either aim higher...
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that might not allow me to achieve my maximum outcome. and i think more recently...
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and then the velocity role where my interactions with her were more an institutional level.
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she was always a bright light to remind me that...
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things can get buried and messy and slow and all this stuff...
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right? there is a way that you can deploy your strong convictions and accomplish great things there.
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doesn't have to be ruined just because it's big and it takes lots of attention and lots of time and lots of dedication.
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can assemble a committee of 30 people to talk about a really complex thing and still have a useful outcome.
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now i should add, jay, you were director of velocity and that was when pearl was the dean of engineering and there are a number of engineering companies at velocity. and so you...
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even if you ask yourself what is my motivation and intent in this moment?
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personally park that because it's irrelevant to the outcome of what you're trying to do.
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you're trying to achieve the greater good and then go and focus on that. and she did that time and time again and i got to witness that in a...
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laser focused, always coming back to what is the most important thing. and for her, that was students. and then yes, the university...
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everybody should hold that type of principle really close to their heart because it will make them better what they do. right?
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so i think those were the things i took away from that mentorship.
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that was another kind of added benefit. i would see her as a neighbor as well. so...
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it just speaks to who pearl is. i remember on some night she loved going into toronto to get some asian food that at the time wasn't available more...
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which was unusual. i'm sending a dean of engineering an email saying, "hey..."
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it was so great. i think that speaks a lot to what she is like.
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complicated engineering things, which i couldn't even get into.
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food was such an important thing for her. so she took me to one of her favorite restaurants to eat.
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she loved that. sharing that time with people.
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she loved, she really enjoyed food and she enjoyed eating food and sharing it with the people around her.
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leading with her whole heart and to always be focused on the people.
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so it's interesting to hear the stories about her love for music because my favorite memory...
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it was like an anniversary celebration at velocity. it was an evening event.
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it was very much designed for the younger audience that...
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having a grand old time. just loving life. and that was her spirit, right?
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well i think at her funeral somebody referred to her as an iron butterfly and i just think it's a really fitting way to describe her.
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really achieving exceptional outcomes. and then...
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no bopping away to some music and enjoying k-pop and dancing and...
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she was just so exceptional. we...
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just that the imprint she's left on my mind of what it looks like to be an exceptional leader. just truly stand out in every way. because...
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i think it's something that lots of other people have witnessed and drives them to achieve similar levels of just sheer potency and amazingness.
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and that has a long ripple effect. there'll be so many great things that result from that.
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so she continued to be very involved and i'll never forget.
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his pitch ended up getting funded and he told me that she had reached out to him to tell him how proud we were of him and to congratulate him.
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you can get in touch with us via email at bulletin@uwaterloo.ca.
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there's a rather famous...
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this is episode 73 of beyond the bulletin.
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our students continue to make me feel inadequate. they heard some-
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only work that absolutely cannot be done from home should be happening in person on our campuses.
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in most cases, the university's plans to deal with this lockdown in our region from december remain in effect.
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