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i really think people are starting to understand about taking responsibility for their own learning.
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but yeah, it's really tiring and it's bullshit. you can look stuff up yourself. i think people try to do it to show that they're engaging potentially-
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without considering that actually... yeah, they're just putting a lot of work onto people's plates that they could just take on themselves.
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basically. and how... do you just say no, or do you just not engage entirely?cause i-
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and then the rest of the time, i just... so things go into your requests inbox, and they don't even show as read until you've accepted them. so this-
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accept them. they never know that i've seen it, but what i have noticed is i used to try to respond to all of the comments on my posts-
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to the extent that i got blocked because they were like, "no, this is a spam bot. no one does this."
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it wasn't possible. and instagram was also like, "'no, you can't do this." what i have noticed though is if people are either being wild or have a genuine-
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question expressed well in the comments, other people will come and have a conversation with them. they'll do that work for me. so then i can have a nap.
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this is ridiculous, but i'm sure i can do it, but it will mean that i have to sort of delay millennial black for a while.
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and they were like fine, which is why i'm sort of... i've got three chapters at the moment left to just do my final edits on and then i should be able to deliver it-
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so i guess something that i've been thinking about-
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is... because social media has been such a powerful tool over the past few months, especially during lockdown when we've felt like you can't-
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physically do much in terms of change, but you have this kind of platform to talk to people and-
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disseminate information. but also it's a space where you get... immediately get the title of influencer if you become any one of influence. and i just wondered whether you'd been kind of-
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i feel like influencers... i feel like the perception of influencer is one that they get free stuff, which i don't, but i want free stuff, so if you want to give some free stuff-
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so traditionally is that it has been sort of a job or a monetized revenue stream, which isn't what mine is. mine is just me doing-
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work for... someone the other day... it was like, you'd be sad if racism ended because you'd have to find a new job. and i was like-
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i hope so people have said that it sort of changed how they have thought about things or approached things-
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so yeah, maybe the way that we use the word would evolve or maybe there'll be a new word for people who are doing sort of... the sort of things-
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that i'm trying to do, but yeah i don't mind it.
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making all this stuff for instagram. do you have a-
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it's like, i'll have that done by march, april, and then i will sort of go and... sorry. then i'll sort of go and pick up some more freelance work-
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so that is sort of in sort of the hands of the production team and sort of becoming a real book, which is why i sort of can't believe it's going to be a real book-
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... internally or who want to sort of-
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how do i want to express this? i think people even with the best intentions sometimes don't know that they're doing damaging things, and it takes somebody to be able to point that out-
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to them. it's really hard when you are inside a business and you are a marginalized person to say to your boss, "what the fuck are you doing?" that's really-
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offensive. but if you bring someone in for that purpose, that suddenly becomes a much easier conversation for me to have. cause you can't fire me. i'm freelance-
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i've got some other stuff i can be doing. whereas if it's someone who's junior person in the company that can be a real decision of do i want to call-
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do i want to call this out because i feel like it might cost me my job?
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so yeah, people who don't know what they're doing, even with well-intentioned people sometimes make mistakes, and they sometimes make that same mistake again because it's-
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become a habit for them. so part of what i do is just to say that thing we talked about, you've done it again and-
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i'm the only person who can point this out to you because of the culture that you've made, which is another thing that you are going to need to fix
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because they might not be the things that i sort of am best place to talk about, whereas doing the research from millennial black over-
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these last few years has pulled up loads of really interesting things that i've been like, "oh, this is in the book."
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but yeah, this new platform has given me a way to sort of address it in a different way and reach a different audience than the book, sooner than the book.
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really useful. because there are conversations, as you said, that i've been wanting to have, but have maybe not had the platform to have those conversations in a useful way before except on-
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stuff and it's just been really interesting to watch how-
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because this is a conversation that's broader, whether you feel more like-
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you are expressing what you've kind of always wanted to express in a more explicit way. because i think that you've always posted about anti-racism, but i think-
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now because the conversation has moved on, it's much more explicit in terms of talking about racism.
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yeah, i think so. and i think that's partially because of what society will accept. i think if i had had a platform-
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six months ago, that was about racism-
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i don't think it would have had many followers. and i'm not saying that because the sort of number of followers that you have is sort of the important thing but-
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it is in terms of the number of people who can hear your message and the sort of amount of efficacy that it had. so if my account still had 35
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followers, i wouldn't be doing this podcast. i wouldn't be having these conversations. so it would still be very, very limited. so the reason for me that those followers are value-
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or not because of some kind of state assembled, but because of the chances and opportunities that that sort of brings up. but i would be interested-
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things articulated that i think-
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that are articulated well having that kind of... yes. that... i was thinking that, and that's what i think that... i think before, cause you were-
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posting a lot of other people's work. it was... it's always been interesting to me, but now i'm like, i knew this was a thing i knew-
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that for example, the gender rate, race pay gap, i knew that was a thing. and having that articulated or even just having allyship articulated. and like i said, i look-
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people have a lot of conversations because i post a lot about a lot of issues that i care about, and i find it really useful looking at-
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and kind of sending those things on and kind of almost in that way, that's like, this is how we can inform ourselves and inform each other. and that's i think what it has become, and i think it has-
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become a real go-to resource for me personally.
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and also, because i think that i didn't quite-
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..know what millennial, what black was when it, when i started following you. i just liked all the posts that you were posting. and then i kind of-
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...looked into it more. and i think, as someone who doesn't necessarily sit in a business space, my job is like...
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then he didn't tag me, so just for your listeners, it was a post about being a good ally and amplifying voices and all of this stuff. and he shared it, but-
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...shared a version which i'm told is on twitter, i don't have twitter. he shared a version, which had my watermark cut off so all-
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...and everyone went and commented like, "please tag the creator. lalalalala." and then he tagged me. and that was good. but yeah, it was-
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a lot of well known people were sharing it. and i, despite working in social and having-
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...had netflix as a client for a long time. i'm not very good at pop culture. so loads of people would send me stuff and they'd be like, "oh, this person." i'd be like, "okay, great." not knowing-
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...who it was, doing a quick google. but yeah, [inaudible 00:01:25] was probably the most shocking because it was sort of the first time that happened.
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it's also really interesting watching celebrities and people engage, because, i think-
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...being at home, like you said-
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it's been the moment. yeah.yeah. for people to learn, and they have space to learn.
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...now. so i don't know. in the next few months i need to sort of do some promo for the book.
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...have long-term revenue streams, so i can continue to support myself to be able to continue to sort of do this sort of side work.
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and that is also available on amazon and on various other physical book sellers for pre-order.
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...it is in that. and also, pre-orders determine things like how many books are printed in that print run, or even things that like-
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... designed-focused, like what sort of finishes and textures are on the cover. all of these things really depend on how well things presale.
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...not just me, if there's any sort of authors who you like, who are talking about their book and it's not out yet, it's really, really helpful to be able to pre-order that if you have sort of-
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talking to them, if you are a fan of the oc, then i think you will-
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...very much enjoy the deep dive. you will hear that i am a super fan. thank you so much to heather and kerry-
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for zooming me, because if you are listening in the future, this was recorded in spring 2020, which you may remember was right in the midst of lockdown.
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thank you so much for listening and california, here we come.
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it is now my favorite podcast because i am... i don't want to say the oc's biggest fan because i feel like so many people feel like they hold that mantle, but...
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[katt 00:03:34]'s telling me that they painted the kitchen. i was just like, "what are we doing?"
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i told you, i told you.so my first real question, how did i'd never seen the oc come about?
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...bumped into each other, edinburgh waverley train station, i think?
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...and paper chase, other stationers are available. and you just randomly mentioned it, and i was like-
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i think i told you what the idea was. i was just like, "i think we should do a podcast together."
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and i was like, "okay." but it took a big while for us to actually do it. it was quite a few months between heather's conception of the idea.
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well, he works in podcasts, that's his job. but i've flirt with him working in podcasts from time to time. and it's so funny how many conversations we have, which is-
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...like, i've got this idea for a podcast and to actually just get on with it is such a big step. like anybody that has a-
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...podcast, whether it's hugely successful or whether only your mom listens to it, i'm just like, "you know what. you've made the effort to come up with that idea to-"
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"...physically sit down and make it." and that is such a big thing. it's such a big thing to just get on with it.
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well obviously sandy. there's absolutely no thought that has to go into that. i mean-
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stick it to the man, do the right thing, power to the people sort of way. and i am here for that. so sandy's definitely one of my-
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...then her husband just brings home some kid. i'm trying to sympathize with him, but i feel like the writers don't give us enough of an insight into him. and i think-
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katie has listed in abundance, but there's also things like-
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and if you want to go in a real deep dive into his character, you can be like, "well, his mom was a single mom and his dad-"
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"...left him. and maybe that's unresolved trauma of the fact that he was brought up in a single home, and that's what he's projecting." but then you look at a character like-
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...summer, who is just like this bimbo character that's full of heart and full of warmth, but there's not much depth-
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...to her. even with like marissa, it's like, yeah, she's got all these problems and she's off drinking, she's off partying, which in my personal opinion is just part of being-
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...being a teenager, they need to get over it. but it's that thing where it's like, they're not very well formed.
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...which is annoying. but with that said, and i don't know if this is who you were going to say, katie, julie cooper, love her. obsessed. she's my fave.
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i mean, even the wicked witch in wizard of oz is just... dorothy dropped the house on her sister, of course she's going to be annoyed. she needs to get into that mindset. but-
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...julie cooper isn't a baddie in a traditional baddie way, but she is meant to be the dark character of the show in the-
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she's always trying to get marissa locked up into a psych ward for going out and getting drunk.it's actually really interesting because you've just said that-
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