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but i hope that despite that you enjoy this episode and if you wanted to get in touch with me, you can do on instagram. it's @vulvarevolution
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on facebook. you can search vulvarevolution on twitter. my handle is @vulvalarevolt, and if you want to drop me an email you can do at-
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... vulvarevolution@gmail.com. i hope you enjoyed this episode and have a great day.
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... that sort of london centric thinking a few times, so many times like i'm doing podcasts or whatever. and i'm like, "oh yeah, this thing." and people are like-
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"oh yeah, this is really good. like building momentum, it's doing all this stuff." and there are other times, and i'm like, "i absolutely cannot do this." so it sort of really sort of comes and goes. it's sort of, for me-
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... it's the difficulty of managing that side of things along with... turns out editing is hard. so man, alongside editing two books-
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. writing millennial black, and then, and i guess
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useful resources through the millennial black instagram page. and then it kind of just-
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how that all kind of came about. and also whether you-
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... knew going in, into making those really useful infographics and slides and everything, whether you thought-
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people just can absorb it so easily.
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i didn't really mean to do something. this whole thing has sort of been accidental. so i guess the easiest way to express it-
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i already had the millennial black instagram account, which is @officialmillennialblack. and that's just because i have a book called millennial black, which is coming out in april of-
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so that was always going to be coming out in april of 2021. and because my background is in social, particularly organic social-
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i'm aware that it if you're going to have a property, you should just get the handles for it early on. that's just a sensible thing to do. and so i was using that. my audience was-
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... primarily other black women, because that is sort of the crux of millennial black as a book. and i was just using that to sort of very slowly-
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... seethe out pieces of information and sort of try to build a community. so i would say in mid-may i was being like, "oh yeah."
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"i fucking made it. i've got almost a thousand followers. this is great. i've got time to build up this community. it's really going to work. or, "i'm really-
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and then so many black american people were murdered, including george floyd.
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... ever, essentially. but i think that combined with lockdown combined with corona, combined with this all being at home, and sort of being able to engage with things in a way-
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so i spent the day that the news of george floyd came out essentially crying into a pillow, and feeling like there was nothing i could do. and then i was like,
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"okay. maybe i can talk about what people can do." because i'm not an ally in terms of being an ally to the black-
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... community, because i'm part of that community. but i do try to sort of be considerate. i try to act in a way that other people would-
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... be able to call me an ally. because i don't believe in calling yourself an ally really of other communities. and so i was like, "okay, how can i sort of encourage people to do that for this community?"
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sort of like infographic on instagram. and i don't know if i'd seen other people doing that before really, but my background is words, not pictures. and so- -
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sort of wanted to use the platform that i had with almost a thousand people to sort of do something that was words based. so just put that out and it's really ba- -
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it's got loads of typos in it. it's got like a whole duplicated slide in it.
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so yeah, i just, i don't know if i've really answered your question, but sort of i didn't-
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know that i was going to be doing something because there was no one there. i was just sort of talking to a couple of hundred people, but then i don't know why or how, but- -
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so yeah. sort of built this little community in this sort of anti-racist allyship space.
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yeah. and it's so interesting because i think that allyship is a conversation that is, i think is particularly kind of- -
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and ally. it's definitely a conversation that's been had. and i think that i find it really interesting that you kind of chose to focus on allyship. and why was it?
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?my initial post was about allyship was because- -
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where we continue to have to do this work and so will the next generation. and so will the next because we didn't make these systems. we didn't make these processes- -
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we cannot dismantle them ourselves. and it's not because we don't have the skills dismantle them it's because those systems have meant that marginalized people are not generally- -
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speaking, represented at the highest points of society and people will respond to this and say there was a black president, the fact that you can name one black president- -
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shows that there's a problem. it doesn't show that there's not a problem. and so yeah, i want to do something that would say, here are, these people who are advantaged in this- -
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way and here's how you can use that advantage to help people. and that really changed who my audience was.
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so as i said, because for "millennial black" is a book primarily about black women. that was the primary audience that.
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is before or i thought i was doing the right thing by sort of saying i was color blind and sort of treating everybody the same, or i've signed my first ever petition. i've been- -
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to my first ever protest i've made my first ever donation. so all of those things meant that i could see that my audience base had- -
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i sort of had to, because of these people are sort of being engaged for the first time ever.
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and i've been able to do something that's made them engaged. i need to then sort of do what i can to keep them as engaged as possible for as long as possible.
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that's been tricky because they then have to figure out how to talk to this new audience in a way that's authentic and that still challenges them to make change.
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without making them sort of defensive about what they've already done. so it's this sort of constant- -
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balance, but it seems worthwhile to me.yeah.
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colleagues and peers and family members and things like that. and i just wondered whether you think like- -
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is this a real turning point? is 2020 real turning point for- -
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change, black lives matter movement in particular, anti-racism in particular, but also...
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in the beginning i can only speak to sort of what i can see and what i can see is quite limited, but i can sort of see my own stats.
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so my own sort of analytics and that sort of thing. and i can see that my followers goes down, i can see that engagement goes down.
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i can see every week i ask people for their allyship actions. i ask what they've done that week in an allyship space. to begin with i was getting several hundreds of- -
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which is really scary, but that's why i'm trying to do what i can to take these conversations as well offline. so i sort of had a series of big- -
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big posters that went up on billboard sites in london or turning this into a book. so i have a second book, which is coming out before my first book, which is confusing.
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it's like six pounds and that's designed to be something that is a sort of really low barrier to entry that people can share, because i want to find ways to- -
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to keep having these conversations offline and to keep this momentum...
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yeah. because i don't know if it's a long term change. i hope so, but i don't know.
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and you, so moving like kind of away from the allyship, you go into so much more detail on things like- -
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that's how "millennial black" came about.mm-hmm (affirmative).can you just tell me a bit more about why you wanted to...
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two and a half, three years ago.
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and that was because, as you say, i worked on advertising. i started out as a runner, eventually became chief operating officer.
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so when i became chief operating officer of a social agency, i discovered that people were still sort of treating me not that differently to how they treated- -
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treated me when i was a runner. so they would still expect me to sort of be the person making notes, or making coffee or someone would come for an interview- -
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rachel you're welcome. so i started looking for books. i was like, right, maybe i'm fucking up here. so then i started looking for books.
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about sort of leadership. so i was like, okay, there were two fans to the company. they at various points sort of stepped away to do not other business things- -
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but to like take breaks or whatever. and so i was often the person who was left sort of running that business. i was like, okay, if i'm going to be doing this, i'm at that point- -
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probably 29 or 30 or something. so quite young to be running someone else's business.
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i was like, okay. i need to upscale here. figure out what sort of the management behaviors are and how to make this work. so there's lots and lots of books about sort of leadership.
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and lots of, lots of books about leadership for women. and when i read them, i felt that most of them- -
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to be honest, all of them that i found were based on an assumption of whiteness in their readers. so i used "lenient" as an example, not because i don't think it's a good book, because - -
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i do. and actually i pull on the lenient foundation's research quite a lot because it's actually a really good, robust data set. but in terms of the book,- -
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advice, like lean in, use your voice, ask for what you want, be part of those conversations, really put yourself forward is really great, if you are not from a- -
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group of people who are characterized as being angry or aggressive when they do use their voices. and i couldn't find anything that spoke to that particular experience. then i was like, right, i'm going to have- -
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behaviors. have you kind of been writing about- -
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?so it's actually really interesting because i'm actually had to pause on sort of edit process of that to do anti-racist ally. so now i'm back on that and i've been doing- -
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that this morning. and i think it's really important to point out that this book is not saying to black women, here's what you have to change. here are the sort of- -
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ways in which black women are traditionally marginalized within companies, whether that is their voice is not being heard, whether it is them not being paid equally, whether it is them not being promoted at this- -
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same sort of pace as their majority peers. so it points those things out and gives black women- -
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sort of the tools and the knowledge to say, is this happening in my career? can i spot these things? and there is some advice to black women, but there's also advice for- -
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for business leaders who are, again, traditionally not black women because of a sort of marginalized sort of states that i've already spoken about. and so a lot of the advice- -
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is for business leaders to say, here's how you create salary banding. here's how you do this or that. here's how you diversify your recruitment pipeline.
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here's how you make sure that once you've recruited well, the people who you bring into your business are not sort of siloed or sidelined or marginalized again. so it's- -
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about saying, here are the problems, here's how you can spot them. and here's how you as a business leader need to fix them instead of putting them back onto shore.
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so interesting. and i have, pre-ordered, i'm really looking forward to it because also i think it's interesting. i'm like a- -
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junior person in a company. and i think...
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i also wanted to read it in terms of, it's just useful. i think to understand the- -
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the experiences of other people in a corporate setting, especially as i'm a white middle class woman and it's- -
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on like all bam people. it's not on all black people. it's about the unique experience of having both blackness and womanness as- -
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it's part of your identity. and i hope it's obvious, but just to reiterate, i consider everyone who considers themselves to be a woman, to be a woman. it's not sort of about-
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so many people were like, just make it about all non-white women, but i can't speak-
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the chinese female experience is different again. so it's about just sort of understanding that we need to stop. and this isn't a criticism of you. you haven't done this, but just-
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we as a group need to stop putting all people from marginalized racial backgrounds into one cluster and saying, "this is them." because really the-
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change and conversations on the shoulders of those marginalized people-
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and i just... another conversation that's been happening more and more in 2020 is-
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is talking about fatigue and not putting responsibility on-
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black friends to explain things to you and things like that. and i just wondered, how you've been navigating writing, literally writing a book about anti-racism whilst also kind of-
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protecting your own mental health, because i'm sure it's must be-
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just wild trying to spin all of those plays whilst-
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it really annoys me when people... people always slide into my dms and just be like, "what does ally mean?" and it's actually truly genuinely-
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quicker to google it because google will give you an answer, and i'm not going to. just-
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