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being stored and who has access to it and giving people the option and giving giving the users control over it.
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And I think in those cases, you will have many people opt in to these kinds of things because they recognize that the trade-off is worth it.
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I really do think that we might see that. You know, it obviously depends how.
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how much tension they're paying. But something that
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But I also think it's so interesting is how, of course...
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any sort I obviously have very strong feelings like most people on the election and hope very much it goes a certain way.
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with me on this. But like, my argument is that privacy is always about tradeoffs.
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that, you know, like going out to to buy groceries is a privacy risk in the sense that people can see you outside and can see what
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who you are, but for most people that trade-off is entirely...
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that trade-off could be different. If you're a celebrity, it becomes a lot more difficult to do that.
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I think the same thing is true now that we're talking about privacy in a pandemic. Suddenly the questions become different.
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contact tracing apps, are there privacy concerns?
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you know, cause many fewer people to...
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die, is that a trade-off that we're willing to make? I think a lot of questions are suddenly opened up by this.
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ended up here in many ways.
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I mean, I hope what you just said is the way we think about it.
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We know that a lot of states are thinking about contact tracing apps.
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will be soon. And I know that they are thinking hard about
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increase at least social contact in some way. And that while we're all locked at home, I've had...
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Like I got together with my roommates from college who I haven't seen in 15 years and haven't actually honestly really talked to as a group in probably 15 years.
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as it implied that you wanted to stay away from people socially.
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But you need the social aspect of life, and that is one thing that technology has.
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that has largely been much of my experience and I think so many people as well.
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Yeah. As far as the linings are concerned, I guess.
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But I do wonder just to sort of wrap up the conversation a little bit. Like, you know, you mentioned things like patent laws and different regulations. And I do wonder.
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if this will change, you know, earlier you mentioned like...
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York getting rid of the limitation on, you know,
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overstate borders allowing doctors to practice. I'm wondering if this will change other debates as well. And I know.
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privacy debate and you know how to do things
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change you know it's it's one thing to say like
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effectively, efficiently, responsibly.
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home a little bit more than all of this other technology you and I've talked about for the past 30 minutes still matters, but...
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now, but this one is also so front of mind for so many people.
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and the implications about how you work.
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her entire professional career talking about the promise of technology.
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in our school systems. You know, they come out of our school systems. I mean, it's so bad.
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And I think that's something that's really interesting that I'm watching closely as it plays out.
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a parent I've learned all about a whole bunch of different platforms that our schools, you know, spun up and were able to use.
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Like I don't know how how your schools in New York handle this but you know when we shut down
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worksheets effectively, you know, have your kids work on this.
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and by Wednesday they had launched an entire distance learning portal.
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