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And the other example, and you mentioned earlier that, you know, like fighting spam is, you know, somewhat related to the trust.
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say we're going to post everything, you're going to get filled up with spam and then nobody will.
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So you're okay with some content moderation.
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So now let's dig in and like figure out where those lines are.
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and reviewing content day in, day out. While there is
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There is a component of that that is true and I think there have been some reporters who have shone a light on the working conditions of.
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the attention to that sort of...
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of the other issues, interest and safety or the.
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for decades, ever since the first online community.
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communities have had to decide for themselves what's acceptable.
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or not. And so there are people who have been doing trust and safety for years and years and made really kind of powerful careers out of that.
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And so, you know, one of the things that we hope to do with the Trust and Safety Professional Association is help to showcase that you can have a long-term career.
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people who have spent a long time in trust and safety, and you can use them as an imprint for how you wanna design your long-term career.
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Yeah, I think that is a good point. You know, one of the things that...
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And I've seen sort of the biggest misconception that I've come across.
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is this idea that it's like a bunch of speech police? It's like the phrase that...
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all of those things, but our primary constituent to start would be the individuals who are doing the content review or who are investigating accounts and making sure.
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that's not just about content review, there's a lot of other stuff that's tied up in making sure that abuse doesn't happen on these different platforms and then be
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making sure that there's enough conversation between all of these teams because the more ideas that you can share with each other, the better your practice could be.
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But if you even just look at kind of org chart questions, like where does trust in?
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policy? Is it, you know, in some rare cases, you know, part of the engineering or operation side, like, you know, in some cases, it's considered like a customer service function. It's like
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a little bit of each in some cases and sort of across the board. And so that's one of the things.
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that I think is kind of interesting to think about and that I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand.
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know, what do you think are kind of like the things that people most frequently misunderstand about trust and safety and what it is that those teams and professionals do?
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really underpaid folks in the global south working in a terrible basement.
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on the most literal, organizational name ever.
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trust and safety with regards to these organizations.
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just last week, we really wanted a diverse set of founding corporate supporters, companies who really believed in something like this is existing to back.
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our launch. So we have anywhere from Cloudflare which
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also have postmates who does food delivery.
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definition of trust and safety professionals and as companies are thinking about trust and safety teens.
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that it can be better defined for them because
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what we found in our one-to-one conversations with professionals over the last year and also firsthand experience.
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is, you know, for someone who enters the profession for them to even know what kind of salary to ask for is a question mark, right? And...
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it's going to come from within.
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That's true. That's true. But give the TSA a good time. That's for sure.
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ranks and you know the employees are gonna demand this and some will
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about my background as well.
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I spent a lot of time in US government bringing different stakeholders together. And so the work of the foundation is really critical because there is so much, so many.
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of bringing issues to attention. So we also hope that.
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through partnerships on the foundation side, we can really build upon fruitful research analysis and also conversations with the rest of the community.
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good. And since people assuming you're listening to this like to listen to podcasts.
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He has been such a long-term reader of tech-turt.
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And he's such a great interviewer that we needed an out.
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He, you know, you mentioned earlier.
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And he's been certainly a force in that process.
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just getting together a lot of trust and safety people just to share stories and ideas and thoughts.
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as well. So for folks who are listening to this and like podcasts, you should check that.
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So one of the things I wanted to jump in, and both of you have mentioned this in your discussions about the organizations, is that this definition of trust.
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the last few years, there's been more and more companies that publish annual transparency reports. And some of that has been pressure, but others have been just more organically they want to.
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improve upon how the outside kind of season on the profession and we're thinking about everything from funding
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research and interesting case studies like the one that we're doing with you.
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We have a podcast actually as well called Black for Review. I just want to.
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who used to be the head of Trust and Safety and General Counsel at Medium, who is heading that. And through that podcast series, we're interviewing...
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imagine and what that experience was like in the early days.
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there to help them understand how operationally, what processes might work for companies. Adalina also-
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you know, there's a variety of people that do trust and safety work, and a lot of times, especially in political conversations, these get muddled up.