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**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And you go into Alabama and you've got Southern fried foods, South Carolina Southern fried foods... And you try to take their Southern fried foods away from them. I dare you. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's not gonna happen. It's part of their culture, it's part of their make-up, it's part of their heritage even... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. So with that, there's always caveats. Not all fats are created equal. Sugar is really more of a thing that's involved with fats; eating walnuts or pecans, which are high in fat, are not the same as eating Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, as much as I might like that to be. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[19:50\] But recognizing different foods provide different nutrients, and that since our health is never a set point, it means I'm never going to have to stop managing health. So this is a forever-gig, where I am trying to look for ways in which my body can optimize, in terms of whatever ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** We've talked about this in the past, in terms of different nutritional ways in which we've bent, and I noticed a significant different when I did a higher fat, higher protein diet, because I do have a very cognitive, demanding job, as well (ironically) emotionally, because I'm holding all ... |
And when I went to this modified diet, I discovered that I didn't dip, and I didn't then dive and need an hour recovery. I can actually shift into whatever I need to now, immediately. But I know that isn't gonna fit for all people. So what I want to offer is -- food is at the forefront, but the way in which you do the ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I like the fact that you mentioned that it's something you manage kind of forever... Because it just reminds you that -- similar to my story of the North Star, my optimization, what I'm optimizing for, similar in that way you've always gotta keep your mind, your direction on this particular thing, w... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, it does. So many things are systems. In the same way my car won't run if I don't have oil, or I don't have water, or I don't have tires, God forbid. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right... You kind of need those wheels. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Just a little bit. So these are going to look different in terms of how we manage them at different ages and stages in our life... But the value is always present. So when we go about our lives, I think it's important to imagine -- we have different filters through which we see our world. ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** And just like we've talked in previous episodes about your discovery with mountain-biking, and that that was so huge for you, that activity, finding out your buy-in to do something so that you could move - that's the other key thing when we're talking about managing our bodies and our ment... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've got good friends who love cross-fit, I've got good friends who love to rock-climb, even the fake kind, in the gym... And I dig that. That's fun. But it's not something I can do on repeat. For me, I had to find an activity that was both fun, engaging, and then also taxing physically, to progress... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[24:14\] Right. So I wonder if it's helpful for our listeners to think about this in terms of rhythms. You mentioned the eight-eight-eight. Everybody's gonna have a little bit different rhythm at different times, but the components that you're going to need are sleep, food and motion, or ... |
It's interesting, because in working with people with mental health disorders, anxiety - one of the best things that people can do when they wrestle with anxiety, ironically, is actually move more... Because anxiety as an emotion is energy, so instead of trying to squelch or squash it, I wanna move it. I wanna barter. ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. I like the idea, and I think we've talked about it; it may actually appear on an episode - we talked about it like a lightning strike. It's gotta go somewhere. It's gonna come down from the sky, it's gonna hit something that it contacts with here on Earth, and then it's gonna continue, like an... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, because there's all of these (again) physiological processes that occur when we move. So getting your heart rate up, moving your body - it doesn't matter what movement that is, you just want an exchange rate. So in the same way I'm gonna go to different countries and everybody utiliz... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So is your prescription then for anybody who is listening to this and has even light levels of anxiety, maybe even terrible levels of anxiety, that one easy prescription is "Move." |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Move. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And find something that is your good movement. It might be mountain-biking, and if so, reach out to me and say hello. If it's cross-fit, don't talk to me. I'm just kidding... \[laughter\] |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** No, but say for example you have a very stressful, high-pressured - I don't know, I think like stock broker - position, that maybe you don't want a super high-energy, kickboxing, shouting at you sort of activity. Maybe it looks like yoga, maybe it looks like walking, maybe it looks like ka... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've got one for you... How about this - what if you took a walk with your good friend, your mother, your dad, your wife, your husband, your kids, whatever, and combined this necessary thing for your daily life, and attach that to relationships? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. Well, this actually connects in to the next thing I wanna talk about in regards to managing our mental health, and that looks like both relationships and boundaries. I had a friend who is an amazing individual, so a lot of people wanted her time, and words, and energy, and she was ju... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[28:11\] Right. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** And so relationships are another key component of doing our mental system well. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I like how she combined both - both boundaries, as well as relationships. Because sure, we have boxes (for a lack of better terms) around us; constraints, boundaries, however you feel you wanna frame it... And in some cases we actually contribute, as you said before, to the choice, the design of tho... |
I think it's important to recognize that box is there, but also to recognize that you can modify that box. And the same case with her - "Sure, I wanna meet with people, and that's positive for my career, for my mental health, for whatever it is she's doing, but I've also gotta get this too, so how can I combine the two... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, because it just sort of controls the flow a little bit more, and it really offers to other people, like "How much effort do you wanna put forth? How important is this?" Because it's easy to just sit and have a cup of coffee, or have a conversation, but do you want to actually expand ... |
One of the things that I've been incredibly cognizant of in working with people is when resentments come in, that resentment -- imagine that it's an indicator light to say "I gave what I actually didn't have to give." So in both relationship and our boundaries, our limits, to say "Look, I worked really hard to give you... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** But instead of it really being a shame on the other person, it should be a light bulb for ourselves to go "\[gasp\] I didn't have that energy to give." And so I have to be more deliberate and intentional about what I give to others in terms of my time and energy and initiative, because it'... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How often does that happen to you? I don't know how often I hold resentment, but I can recall recently having a conversation with my daughter about value. That "This thing was in this condition - because I was gonna let her use it - when I gave it to you, so you're a child and you don't really under... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[31:56\] Sure. And I would say to some degree it looks different with kids than it does adults in our relationships, because -- I always say "Kids are still cooking." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, that's true. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** They are still very much in process... So I want to give them opportunities to grow and learn... However, with boundaries. And ironically, boundaries for kids, teenagers, pre-schoolers - kids all need boundaries in other to actually do themselves in their lives well, and they need us to he... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're getting upset. Are you getting upset? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Well, no... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay... \[laughs\] |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** But I think this is huge, because my husband has a very powerful car, he's a car guy, and I say - if I give my 16-year-old son a Ferrari and he crashes it, that is not his fault, to some degree, because he has no idea the power that that car has. So as his parent, it's my job to go "Look, ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** So I as his parent, and his dad and I together, need to say "That's not wise." It doesn't mean he can't, but like, really? It's just not prudent, it's not considerate of him being where he's at. That is different than an adult, wherein I would create clarity around the expectation to go "H... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** When should I be there? And when will I be paid? How much will I be paid? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Exactly. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What work will I be doing? Who will I be working with? I can keep going... Anyways, I'll stop now. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[laughs\] But all of those things are relevant, because they are incredibly particular to you, in light of your North Star, in light of your relationships, in light of what you have to give. I mean, I would offer that one of the best experiences I ever had as a professional was when I wor... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The ultimate version of empathy, right? You put yourself in their shoes and gave them prescriptions on how to do what they do. |
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