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**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, it resonates with people and they wanna talk to you, they wanna see what's going on. Sometimes they want you to help their business, and you can't do that, but you can certainly make relationships and see how you can connect people when it would be really fitting, right? |
I'm a terrible salesperson; I can't lie, I can't sell anything unless I really love it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're not supposed to lie when you sell. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Oh, you're not? I don't know. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No! Selling is helping. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Well, see? That's how I see it... If I'm not helping you, it's not worth it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Then you're great at it... That's my feeling. I can't stand those kinds of salespeople. If you lie, you're not a salesperson, you're a sleazebag. It's a whole different term. |
**Tracy Hinds:** It's a different skill set, I guess. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's a different podcast too, but back on topic, sorry... I derailed you. |
**Tracy Hinds:** No, you're fine. So I think that that was really powerful. I don't what 2017 holds for us with Node Live, because we want to make sure that we're focusing on the community and lifting them up, and not taking away fuel by running our own events. We wanna make sure that everything that we do is empowerin... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. Well, you said earlier "speaker fatigue" and I think I may have heard that once before, but it still surprised me when you said it. Then, as we're talking about these localized organizers, meetup organizers, I'm thinking that I know for sure, I've met some organizers who have organizer fatigue... |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, I agree. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But also give them the ability to do what they to do, versus do every event, like he had said. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah... Taking advantage of what each of us are good at. You want the local community to feel empowered by running this awesome event that has maybe Node Foundation backing, and we're helping encourage TSC or CTC members to come and speak about a topic that no one in the local community is really worki... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[44:00\] Right, face-to-face is better, but we do Skype, you know... Having a podcast, I don't meet most of the people I talk to. If I had to, we would never get to do it, so we have to be thankful for what we do get. But face-to-face trumps it most times. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, absolutely. Well, or just being able to have the conversation. I love that NodeSource started their online meetup, which is great, because there are a lot of really awesome programmers who aren't in major metropolitan areas... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, that's another thing, too. |
**Tracy Hinds:** And to be able to watch these talks or have these conversations... It's nice that people are trying to experiment with these different types of mediums in order for people to still have that. Because early on - Slack is a very neat thing, but I lived and breathed on IRC, and I had a really great commun... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. When I saw Mikeal Rogers, I gave him a hug. I was like, "Hey, dude, how are you?", but I've never met him face-to-face. I just met him face-to-face yesterday, but I'd been talking to him for years off and on, either through the podcast or now working with us on Request For Commits and other fu... |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, so that's also a challenge that we've been talking about with education in Node moving forward, or even with Node Together, which I was helping with the group that Ashley Williams founded... That's very physical-location-based, and right now there's only one teacher. That's especially problematic... |
One of our organizers, Tierney, he's lived in rural areas for a long time; I like that he has this position and he holds to it, which is "We need to have more of these distributed communities, because I want to be a part of them." That's the best way to hear it, because when someone says, "Oh, well we should do this th... |
I think that will help us reach a lot of folks throughout the world, so long as they have an internet connection, to maybe be able to build that up more. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So for those out there listening to this as part of this series, they wanna contribute, they wanna help your efforts - what's the best way to reach out to you? Is it you personally, is it your team? What's the best way to help make Node more inclusive, to support local organizers, to help in the way... |
**Tracy Hinds:** There's a number of places that you can go to look... Nodejs.org I believe has a "Get Involved" tab, and it lists out the working groups and the projects that you should absolutely check out to see if it's something that interests you. There's also community organizations that are outside of that, such... |
And education... Education is in full swing, and we're in this phase now, looking into the new year, where I have to see what the priorities should be, and I'm waiting for my survey to come back. |
\[48:04\] Greg Wallace and I - Greg is in marketing for us - helped build this really awesome survey to try and figure out who is writing and using Node, and that's gonna help us figure out what we should be focusing our resources on for next year, or our energies, because I wanna know... |
We are gonna have a certain audience; when people are filling out the survey, it's not gonna be people coming to Node, it's gonna be people who are already in it... But sort of seeing, if they've been in it for a little bit, how much of a struggle it was for getting started, or docs... And also asking if they're intere... |
Once we have that data, we'll have more to inform us on what we should be doing for the next year. This year has been very heavily focused on building a certification exam, and that should be... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, Mikeal mentioned certifications when I talked to him. He didn't go into detail, though. |
**Tracy Hinds:** We're actually meeting this weekend to hash out the domains and the subtopics that the exam will cover. The aim is to be a low-cost certification exam for someone who's been writing Node professionally for a year, full-time. We're gonna be bikeshedding that and figuring out what that means. The test wi... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And not using Facebook Login, because of the Great Firewall. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, the challenge is around... What we're gonna do for hosting for the exam in China is still up in the air; that's still being researched. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I talked to Shiya about that, and I don't wanna derail the tail end here, but she mentioned that you actually had to have a business in China to have a server in China, and some of the red tape that goes into "we want to be inclusive." I won't go into it, but long story short, you have to have a ser... |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yep. Hopefully that works out. The certification - the English version will happen regardless. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's exciting. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Yeah, and we're aiming for end of Q1, but the challenge is technically around hosting Node in browser in a way that feels real. It needs to be some sort of a contained operating system for people to be writing Node in and then test for it. We have to be able to run those tests against what they program... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** More challenges... You'll rise to it. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Oh, yeah. It will be good, we'll get it through. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Alright Tracy, that's all I had today. |
**Tracy Hinds:** Thank you so much. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Thank you. |
• The Great Firewall of China's impact on software development and internet access |
• Shiya Lou's experience transitioning between US and Chinese software development environments |
• Language barrier affecting Chinese developers' ability to access foreign documentation and resources |
• Use of VPNs to bypass censorship and surveillance in China, but instability and constantly changing services |
• Cnpm (China's npm) as an example of adapting Node.js ecosystem for Chinese developers due to language and firewall barriers |
• Language barriers and limitations in China |
• Importance of being "China-friendly" for businesses targeting the Chinese market |
• Speed and latency issues due to external servers outside of China's borders |
• Need for companies to consider hosting servers within China to improve speed |
• Challenges of complying with regulations and laws specific to China |
• Discussion on the Great Firewall of China and its impact on internet access |
• Shiya Lou explains how the firewall was implemented after protests in 2008 and has since been expanded to block certain websites and services |
• Alternative search engines available in China, such as Baidu and 360 Search |
• Differences between Google's results in China versus those outside of China |
• Challenges of accessing Chinese servers and websites from outside of China due to the Great Firewall |
• Discussion on Cnpm (Company npm), a mirror of npm that allows for faster package downloads in China |
• Shiya Lou's personal stance on working with the government to bypass parts of the firewall, which he is against |
• Concerns about language barrier for developers in China |
• Importance of English language skills for Chinese developers to keep up with global programming knowledge |
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