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or oftentimes, this has had a lot of ants on it in warmer months. so it's actually pretty empty.
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you mean talking about the stairwell?yeah.they catch more, we catch more in the stairwell.
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just by the nature of how the building is structured. it does tend to be more moisture down here.right, yeah.we like to see a pretty much empty trap like this one.
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you came to the newberry awhile ago because you found something from your family in our collection. so, can you tell me about what that was and how you found it?yeah.
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all right. so you got to see your grandmother's stories from her perspective.yeah.
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and for being young and excited and you know, all those things of like going to disney world when you're that age.yeah.
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how did your grandmother come into the cruz family?
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what kind of stories did your grandmother tell you when you were growing up?
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yeah, because it connects it to a very real event. [crosstalk 00:00:21] it's major in history. what kind of stuff did she teach you about your own family history?
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[inaudible 00:00:28] when your family arrived in the north american continent [crosstalk 00:00:31] in 1700s, [crosstalk 00:00:32] they came in through new england?
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they came in through virginia, and then went to kentucky, [crosstalk 00:00:38] and then made it to iowa, and then finally to illinois.okay.
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so when did your family end up in chicago?
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my grandfather was the first one to leave.
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he came, or my great-grandfather, i'm sorry, [crosstalk 00:00:59] was the first to leave.
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leave fairfield?yes. and he-
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...did, i don't know what the actual title is, and i learned about it here, but promptly forgot it.that's all right.
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[crosstalk 00:01:14]but it sounds like your family's history is also very entwined with chicago's history?definitely.so is that part of why you stayed in chicago?
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you know, i don't know. a lot of times it reads like it was for school. i don't think it was because, who has a two year assignment-
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...foresight, but she seems-
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it sounds like it was very fun.
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...and is comparing the second year to the first year. every story-
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...every page has like a little momento or a picture from the fair. all of that was just really cool to connect.what were-
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...some other connections that your family had with chicago and the historical moments in chicago?
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how does that family history play into the way you interact with chicago, and how does it determine part of your identity?well-
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...the biggest evangelist for this city, and i kind of-
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i'm a big person who wants to go see the old thing that we never made it to, the elks memorial up on the north side, things like that.
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i think it just made me much more curious about-
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i love all that nerdy stuff, all the details-
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everything has a story here. i love looking around the city and finding the stories.
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it's also interesting to see how these major events in chicago's history have a personal [crosstalk 00:03:04] story behind them.yes.
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is there anything else that you wanted to touch on about your family or-
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tongue is responding to oates' story, [crosstalk 00:03:18] okay.
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[inaudible 00:03:19] foreign agent. they were also-
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...jesuits especially there on the continent. you'd have the inquisition. they were seen as foreign agents in a lot of ways.
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there was a lot of catholic, there was a lot of anti-
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...catholic sentiment and oates plays right into this. so what he does, is he writes-
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...the manuscript detailing these plots and there are 43 accusations.
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israel tongue takes the manuscript and hides it in a wall in the house where he's living and pretends to find it.
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they start showing it to people. it's a little crazy-
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...even for people in power. charles the second was like, you're... [inaudible 00:04:08] the king was like, you're crazy. [crosstalk 00:04:09]
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right.they're such good liars that they convinced some friends of theirs to bring their accusations to a westminster magistrate-
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...named sir edmund barry godfrey. and even he is like, whatever, this is kind of weird.
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i'll take your deposition though. two months later, he is mysteriously murdered.
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he's actually found run through with a sword [crosstalk 00:04:38] and oates and tongue say, it's the catholics.
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they have no evidence whatsoever. when oates is asked for evidence-
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...he's like, i don't know. i know it's true, i was there.
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i heard them. these catholics, they're so talkative-
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he eventually gets sent to the privy council-
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...the king's cabinet. and they still don't really believe him-
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...but he's managed to hit on a couple of people who were prominent catholics who did really want to see catholicism restored.
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and they were not part of the plot because there was no plot.right.
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but if there had been a plot, they might've been part of it, which they weren't because there was no plot.right.so-
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...people start getting a little scared of this.
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meanwhile, the accusations have been printed, the deposition-
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...errors with his wife. he has tons of illegitimate children-
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there would have been some existing anxiety over who would replace him?
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so a major part of his methodology was playing on existing prejudices against-
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okay.by the time of the popish plot, people sort of, there's a bit of a shift-
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...but one of the ways that we know so much about the popish plot is people started collecting all of this stuff in the same way-
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...and there is tons and tons and tons of it. and the newberry is really lucky in there's a man with a fantastic name of narcissist-
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luttrell, who was a member of parliament. he was obsessed with writing diaries and things like that. he sent his servants out every day to collect everything related-
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...everything that was published, and not just the popish plot, [crosstalk 00:06:32] but by the early 1680's-
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...people started, it became immediately collectible to-
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i don't even know if that answered your question, but-
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so print culture plays a huge role in creating titus oates, [crosstalk 00:06:52] but it also plays a role in his undoing, right?
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yeah, absolutely. so i think that what i noticed-
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i have a background in education. when i would work with students, what i noticed was that there was a big gap in terms of native literature.
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there's some young adult books, and then you have this sort of jump that moves into adult literature in terms of native adult literature. there wasn't really anything-
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...there's this set that's really like sort of the scaffolding years, which is really where graphic novels and comic books comes in-
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in terms of that space within western mass literature-
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...even in the stuff that students have available and that native communities have available-
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...in terms of creating stories that filled that gap, that used images in a very creative way, in a very progressive way-
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...rangers and pirates and whatnot, and that's really what i set out to do when we established the company.that's great.
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great. thank you. i think that seems like it's probably a pretty good place to stop unless you had anything else you wanted [crosstalk 00:08:10] us to touch on?
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...is a great way to sum it up, lee francis the fourth. thank you very much for joining us.
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i pray about the humanities and the humans behind them. i'm alex teller, director of editorial services at the newberry. in this episode-but for african american-
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yeah, because i lecture around, and so what i do is, i instruct people on how to research. [crosstalk 00:08:35].
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and that's one of the big things that i do, is teach people how to research. so-
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...one of the major problems and challenges in african-american genealogy, genealogy is it's simple to start off-
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it's very easy, and we'll talk about that in a minute, but when you get to the advanced stages-
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...you run into some serious challenges.
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one of those challenges is identifying who the former slave owner was that owned your ancestors. in order to do that-
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unfortunately, it's not passed down from generation to generation through old history, or through any documented evidence that you have in your family.
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and what you'll find when you start to sit down and recollect and think about your family-
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...immediate, as well as extended, that you know a lot more about your family history-
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...then you realize. you just haven't thought about it in detail and haven't chronicled it. so that's the first step.
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second step is to identify all your living relatives, be they're in the town where you live or spread across the country, across the world-
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when i taught, i taught genealogy at chicago state university and on the first day i had my students write out a list of all their living family members-
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prioritize that list by age and then go out and interview each and every one of those people. record-
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the newberry library records on the internet, records and archives and county courthouses. those things are going to be there-
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when we're long dead and gone but our relatives will not. so i always tell people to put the highest priority on your living relatives.
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interview them, hopefully by videotape, if not videotape, at least audio tape. also keep notes and you have two objectives.
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the first is to get their life story.
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just like you did your life story. your second objective is to get everything they remember about their ancestors and when you're interviewing people-
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it's going to take multiple times to interview them.
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i've interviewed people for four, six, eight and more hours.
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if a person is 50, 60, 70, 80 years old-
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you have to peel apart their memory in layers.
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but it's very, very fruitful because you'll find a lot of information again-
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it's not in a book or a library. the third step-
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