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but if you do arrange it on lettuce, then i like to accompany it with blue cheese dressing, softened blue cheese-
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so this is something that i found kind of, to be the most interesting about this..
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recipe as an artifact. it is a letter,
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mm-hmm (affirmative).it's a recipe, but i think that it's cool because..
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you can kind of make something out of the social dynamics..
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within this artifact. what do you think?that's right.aside from sort of the social..
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it's all there. i think it's striking because of course..
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the recipe is typed out..mm-hmm (affirmative).but then signed gwendolyn at the bottom, in her own handwriting.
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that's definitely a relic of mid-century cooking.mm-hmm (affirmative).in the era..
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mm-hmm (affirmative).[crosstalk 00:00:58] the kitchen are easier. it was a kind of convenience that really influenced how things were bought and made. so i think..
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gosh, what else can you learn? i mean, here, i'm talking more about food culture.right.[crosstalk 00:01:13] century.
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right. [crosstalk 00:01:15]mid 20th century.which was also very interesting.mm-hmm (affirmative).although neither of us are food historians.. [crosstalk 00:01:21]
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unfortunately.right, right. but i think..
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not just have an intellectual friendship with somebody or a writerly friendship with somebody or..
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share ideas with somebody, but to have them over for a meal.
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a place to have somebody over to your home. so you're not going out to a restaurant, right?
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that's the big reveal from an artifact like this.mm-hmm (affirmative).and the conroy papers. and by all accounts, it seems like jack conroy..
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was just an extremely important kind of glue in the leftist circles. in chicago..
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mm-hmm (affirmative).he was very warm. he was working class. he..
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grew up pretty rough and tumble in moberly, missouri.mm-hmm (affirmative).and i think what brooks really liked about him was his genuineness.
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his openness, and the fact that he really liked parties too.mm-hmm (affirmative).right. what am i trying to say ultimately? i think..
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harper and brothers in new york city, but her work will then be published by black owned presses in the midwest, in chicago, and in detroit.
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and right around this time, she's working on a long poem called in the mecca..mm-hmm (affirmative).which is set in a demolished apartment complex on the south side.
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it's an incredible poem. but i think for many people..
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this is the moment when she really becomes much more committed to political poetry.
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but when you see something like this letter, i think when you read..
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very closely into her early work, at least to my mind, works is of course political from the start.
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in 1945, she writes a poem about an abortion.
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mm-hmm (affirmative).it's an astonishing poem called the mother. and her first book, a street in bronzeville..
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there are countless other poems that are deeply engaged with..
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is essentially not the provision of democracy at home. this is throughout her work. so, again..
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i don't want to pin everything on this recipe, but it is really interesting how close she is to a political radical, right?mm-hmm (affirmative).and this is 1961.
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you have a poem that you wanted to read..that's right.that she wrote about jack conroy.right, right.
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and i have to give due credit here to the scholar, mary helen washington, who identifies this poem..
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it's called jack. she identifies this poem as being about jack conroy.mm-hmm (affirmative)and that's in washington's book called the other black list.
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it's a very short poem. it's just eight lines.
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it's from her 1960 volume called the bean eaters.
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it's a bit cryptic actually, for me. i read it a few times..
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it almost seems a bit..
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nursery rhyme- esque. jack and jill go up the hill.mm-hmm (affirmative)so it's called jack, and actually the title of the poem is really, in some ways, the first line of the poem.
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"jack is not spend thrift of faith."
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"he has a skinny eye. he spins a wariness of faith.."
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"and comes it up his faith bought true."
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"he spends a little more and comes it up his faith bought false."
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so i don't even know how to read it.
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last line, almost kind of missing a beat.
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what can be bought? who has the money to buy faith?
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if jack is not a spendthrift of faith, is he not spending too much on faith?
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i mean, faith in some ways is another way to also think about a set of beliefs in what you know.mm-hmm (affirmative)which guide your life.
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a kind of ideology, he's a communist, but nonetheless..
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of imposing that upon others.
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and that there's a very tricky use of the word, "it"..
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is signifying in the second stanza [crosstalk 00:06:22] "and comes it up his faith bought true and comes it up his faith bought true."
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so i leave that out there for our listeners to parse, right? [crosstalk 00:06:35] from the bean eaters.
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we're going to stick with brooks' writing, but i want to ask you..
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how did she address food in [crosstalk 00:06:45] her writing?mm-hmm (affirmative) right.
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well, i think for people who know brooks' work probably the moment that is..
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most palpable as in, her only work of prose fiction called mod martha published in 1953.
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they have feathers, that's a good question. i can't remember from how she describes it, if there's..
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still, i don't think so, but she's certainly hacking it away..oh boy.and pulling stuff out. it's very vivid. and it's this..
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it's a short little chapter called brotherly love, chapter 28 and..
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strangely it's a reference too, to like how we empathize with others, how we empathize with our brothers and sisters, right?
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how we find a place to understand who they are, despite our differences and such, she..
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brooks that is, kind of imposes this idea of brotherly love upon the chicken.
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how do i empathize with this chicken? you think it might be some sort of call for vegetarianism at the end. it's not at all because the..
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the chapter ends when the animal was ready for the oven..
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so it's an ironizing [crosstalk 00:08:11] of the rhetoric around finding a kind of commonality with somebody who is unlike..
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unlike you. i mean, right before the end, brooks writes, "people could do this. people could cut a chicken open.."
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"take out the mess with bare hands or a bread knife, pour water in, as in a bag.."
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"pour water out, shake the corpse by neck or by legs.."
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"free the straggles of water could feel that insinuating slipping bone survey that soft, that headless death.."
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and here's the part where brooks brings in..
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rhetoric that mod martha has perhaps been hearing..
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what goes through somebody's head when they're alone in the kitchen, battling out with the chicken.
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and yet the chicken was a sort of person, a respectable individual with its own kind of dignity.
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the difference was in the knowing. what was unreal to you..
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you could deal with violently. if chickens were ever to be safe, people would have to live with them and know them..
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see them loving their children, finishing the evening meal, arranging jealousy.
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right?mm-hmm (affirmative).about a chicken. but no, then the chapter ends..
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the chicken's in the oven and mod martha smacking her lips.
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so there's no move there to really get to know the chicken.right.it's supposed to be [crosstalk 00:09:47].but if we did..
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yeah. [crosstalk 00:09:48].but if one did..yeah. right. [crosstalk 00:09:53] so as i mentioned earlier in the introduction..
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several of us got together and actually recreated this frozen fruit salad recipe that gwendolyn brooks sent to jack conroy.
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so i want to know what inspired you to recreate this recipe.
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right, and why was this the one that we decided that we were really going to play out?
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yes, so much whipping cream, cream cheese mixed with cut up canned fruit.
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i think i was truly curious how this might taste.
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garnished with some greens, some watercress.
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how was it all going to come together? so the curiosity-
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so it seemed like the perfect opportunity, and as you may have already said, we-
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we served this fruit salad at an event here at the newberry.
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i went back to the silver tray and it had disappeared. it was a surprise to me because it's an unusual taste, certainly like nothing i'd ever tasted before.
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we also did serve some of this here at the newbury to staff members, and we got some of their reactions on tape, which we're going to play for you right now.
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the moment of truth. what did you think of the fruit salad?
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not delicious, but held my interest.
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no. is that... i didn't eat -
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i'll be honest. the best bites were the ones with the maraschino cherries.i agree.
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[inaudible 00:01:49] i was like, "aha. this is the taste."
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but-very cold, very crisp.an hour after it had been sitting on the tray, not so much.when you just mentioned-
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that by the end of this event that you attended it here at the newberry that you-
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