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... was at the first d: all things digital conference. i think it was in 2003.
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and it was with walt mossberg and kara swisher, and they had him on stage at d, and one of the things they asked him was...
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"death would eventually take care of this."
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yeah, i get what you're saying, but i don't think we can bury our heads in the sand here. i don't think it's... just by ignoring... it. it will make them not...
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... feel that they need to do something, because there's been so many critical issues that have developed in the last few years.yeah, and that's true.
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... partisan.yes.and i guess you have to put net neutrality in a box where... maybe it doesn't fit so well... in a... nonpartisan...
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... have recent debate and conversation about it, and that's very much true...right. i guess the other one that comes to mind where people can get partisan on it is when we've talked about it on this episode...
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i, i don't know. and it's just something that, you know, came to me one morning out the clear blue sky and ...no it's, i mean, it's a really interesting,
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of course the questions are going to be biased.right.and, and i just think that, you know, the more we learn about ai, the more we learn that,
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what goes into making it work is the questions that,
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putting their priorities in that, that you would
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good frankly, right up until now.right. and there, you know, i mean the chances of reaching a wide audience are probably low, but.
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yeah. some audience is better than no audience. i know there's an organization out there called techpresident.yes.that pays attention to tech policy issues. but i haven't looked at them in a while, but i,
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to keep up on everything mike. the last time i did a podcast, i was chatting away for an hour with someone who had switched jobs five years previously. and i was unaware,
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plug before we go.you absolutely can.thank you so much. i am rotating in as host of triangulation at the twit network,
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which are our long form interview programs with luminaries in the technology field.
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so that's a great show to subscribe to you if you're not already doing so. yes. and i have a newsletter i've been doing the last few months that is called inbox,
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5k. so if you go to denisehowell.info, you'll see the newsletter tab there and that's where you can subscribe. and i do...what is the newsletter?it does, it's mostly about,
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in the end. we did not get a majority because we were unable to really spread this protest movement quickly enough, all of the european union. and so overall it,
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received the majority in parliament. and now there is just one final step before the complete adoption of the law, which is the final vote in the council of,
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national governments, which will take place on monday on april 15.
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and allowed for amendments?yeah, that's right. so since there was a five vote difference, it would've been enough if three of those members who voted against amendments,
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if three of them had voted in favor and it is probably the case that there were at least three people who voted wrong. i'm not, i don't think that,
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genuinely just hit the wrong button, but i think maybe they expected we were going to lose anyway and wanted to be on the winning side and then were sort of surprised,
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that it was this close and possibly felt bad.
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i think that might have been part of the reason why we lost that. basically some people gave up a bit too soon while there were these huge protests forming in germany, but not,
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not in a lot of other countries. that said, i think some people probably genuinely did hit the wrong button, but what i want to really speak,
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and there was, there was some video that, that..yeah, it, it must have looked confusing to an outside observer. but i think what actually happened is a little bit more,
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sinister than that because the chair of the committee, which is the president of the european parliament, who's a conservative mep from italy, antonio tajani,
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that's right. yeah. so there's some room, of course, every member state has to implement a directive in their national copyright law and they can't do it in a way that is ,
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contradictory to what the directive says, but there is certainly a lot of vague stuff and a lot of legal uncertainty in there. so for example, when it comes,
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areas for sort of eu wide services, right?yes, exactly. so it's, unless you are a platform that is only targeting one national market,
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the upload filter provision. but if you want to operate in the entire eu, then you do have to look at what the more strict interpretations are saying. and that's,
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i mean, it's, it's really ironic because the entire point of this directive was to make it easier for digital business to scale across the eu. like that was the original intention,
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to build this european single digital market. and it's really completely failing at that goal and making the situation worse,
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and difficult position on the one hand they're going to have to implement it and they could decide to just kick the can down the road and maybe hope that a different government will have to do it,
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but of course, if that government is more supportive of the goals of the directive, it might end up implementing it in a more extreme way.and,
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there is still a sort of startup exception in the text, but it is one by name only because it only applies in the first three years of,
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existence of a startup. and only if it has less than 10 million turnover a year and less than 5 million unique visitors. and i've asked some people if they know,
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i mean, the funny thing is that all the rhetoric about the proposal is sticking it to youtube and facebook and youtube and facebook have turn over in the billions.yeah.so there is,
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no way that a exception up to 10 million euros would've in any way benefited those large platforms that are supposedly the target of this directive, but,
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that would've incredibly helped all of those discussion forums out there that maybe commercial, but are really small scale operations.
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but basically both of them have said they don't want filters.and now it looks like the only way to avoid filters is to actually vote against the law in council,
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from supposed to do that. like, i mean, it's nice that they say that, that they recognize the danger of that legal content will be deleted, but by simply writing,
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into law, that the platforms must prevent that from happening. doesn't tell the platform what they are actually supposed to do.
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this idea is a heavy one. but i think for the platforms, it's really an unattainable goal to have a filter that works perfectly, which is,
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kind of what is required by this law. like you have to prevent the upload of infringements, but you have to also prevent the deletion of anything legal. so,
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rights around trade and it's going to be extremely messy.
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i think, i think it depends who is suing, but i think for most litigation you would probably have to wait for a concrete national implementation and then,
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really quite a difficult place to be a startup.and this is certainly making it worse because,
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it's like a new crowdfunding platform. you are going to have to worry that you will be covered by this.
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i think also the environment for startups overall is getting much more difficult in europe at the moment, because there is kind of a knee jerk reaction,
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the proposal, even if it's not run by a company, but by an individual.
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get worse in the final vote.oh, wow.
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you actually think about it. it would not have changed anything in this situation. and 17 minutes is already acting extremely quickly.
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i think it's not a reasonable price to pay for,
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method by which they distribute it. but..to be honest, like there is enough bad stuff that platforms do that we could be talking about. i mean,
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and by no means a fan of facebook and they, it is screwing up a lot of things.yeah.not just in terms of taxation and data protection, but,
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yeah. and i mean, also the copyright proposal, i think in the end, we will find that it has strengthened the large platforms because they are the ones who set,
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the industry standards that everybody else will have to comply with. so if content id is the best upload filter in the world, then this is what everybody's going to have to use.right.
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yeah. well, that's all depressing.well, i wish i had some more positive news perhaps. yeah. just to say that european elections,
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most likely going to be more pirates because the check pirate party is doing really well in the polls. and hopefully the next european parliament is just going to be a little bit more
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is going to be its governance countries that have great governance tend to do well, not just in the short one, but the long run and then countries with poor forms of governance.
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so the primary way that we do this is by charter cities, right. by creating the ecosystem for charter cities. and so a charter city is a new city,
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...be with a special jurisdiction that allows it a broadly blank slate in commercial law, right? so they can have the best practices in governance. and so there are some [crosstalk 00:00:22].
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...proto charter cities that you can look at around the world. places like singapore, hong kong, shenzhen, and dubai are all places in which to one extent or the other sort of created [crosstalk 00:00:33].
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...there governance systems from scratch or by borrowing from existing best practices from around the world.
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and so paul romer was really the person who popularized charter cities. he's a great ted talk that your listeners can listen to if they're curious about how exactly the model works, but there is a key [crosstalk 00:00:53].
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...distinction between how he was thinking about charter cities and how we think about charter cities.okay.so part of his model was you have a guarantor country. so it wasn't just that [crosstalk 00:01:04].
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...you'd import the rules of one country's legal system, but that country would literally guarantee the charter city kind of administer the charter city in a low income country.
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and that feels for really, for political reasons. so the reason these, the center exists is to kind of solve binding constraint to the creation of charter cities [crosstalk 00:01:25].
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...which turns out to be, as he found out in honduras, politics. so we work with key stakeholders. [crosstalk 00:01:33].it's always politics.that's right.
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so what we do, and what we aspire to continue to do is to serve as kind of the shelling point for charter cities, for the very stakeholders [crosstalk 00:01:47].
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...that are of course, very interested in improving the lives of their citizens, but it's quite hard to start with national level reforms that have to gain buy-in from a [crosstalk 00:01:57]
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...a lot of different stakeholders. there are economists who are interested in new city development, but because they aren't currently any charter cities in existence, it's hard to get career points for [crosstalk 00:02:08]
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...studying things with data sets that don't already exist. there are new city developments, right, which are coming up all the time, especially the developing world. and you can [crosstalk 00:02:19].
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...could see how just even improving the governance in those places would just make the cities even more valuable. make the developments even more valuable. you have humanitarians who are looking at [crosstalk 00:02:30].
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...issues like climate change and migration, demographic transitions that are going to be affecting most of the world's populations in the next a hundred years or so [crosstalk 00:02:41].
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...but there are a lot of interested parties in charter cities. and so what we work to do is to unite them all, to give them a shared vision of what charter [crosstalk 00:02:51].
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...cities are and how they can benefit low and middle income countries. and second, to help create teams on the ground that actually builds these charter cities.
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they're collaborating with is called nkwashi. it's a city being built just about 30 minutes outside of lusaka, zambia. and it's a 3,100 acre development [crosstalk 00:03:12].
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...mark. i guess it was just about a year ago this time. and that was our first collaboration. so back in december, we went to zambia, we met [crosstalk 00:03:23].
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...a certain amount of land of above a certain threshold to be able to create their own charter cities. and so that's the ask there, right? so the goal is that by [crosstalk 00:03:34].
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...importing best practices. so these is things like rule of law, by making it much easier to start a business. it takes about half of per capita income currently in [crosstalk 00:03:44].
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...sub-saharan africa to start a business.right.that of course makes it very difficult for the tons of entrepreneurs that we know exist in the developing world. so the idea is that [crosstalk 00:03:55].
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...if you can solve some of these key barriers to growth there, you can make zambia one of the best places to do business in sub-saharan africa.
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and we'll be kind of having our big coming out party, our charter cities and [inaudible 00:04:09] conference in october in johannesburg, that we're really excited about. there's [crosstalk 00:04:14].
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...also a project in honduras that is in the very early stages, that company has just been formed. and so we'll be watching that very closely. and then we're [crosstalk 00:04:24].
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...in very early discussions with endeavor, which is the largest urban real estate developer in sub-saharan africa. so they've got about seven projects in five different countries and [crosstalk 00:04:36].
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...they've got a flagship project just outside of just outside of nairobi, which is called tatu city. and so that's a bit earlier stage, but we are very optimistic about [crosstalk 00:04:46].
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...the future. and then we've got a couple others in the pipeline as well that are too early to talk about, but we're hoping to have about five incubated this year.oh wow. that's really [crosstalk 00:04:56].
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right. to allow for different kinds of experimentation. so we have a model we think does kind of lend itself to growth in the long term. so these are, again, things [crosstalk 00:05:07].
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....like rule of law by having a really clearly defined court system, so that it's easy to bring disputes to it such that the transaction costs for any given business [crosstalk 00:05:17].
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...transaction are much lower.right.these are things that we think are really important and integral to a system that's going to function properly over time. but the idea is that [crosstalk 00:05:27].
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...any landowner would be able to kind of create their own charter cities. so as we have conversations about this in the office, often maybe there would be a socialist charter [crosstalk 00:05:37].
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...city. we don't think it would work, but the idea is [crosstalk 00:05:42].right....that you'd able to experiment with different models of governance. yeah.
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that's right. and i think the core of a charter city, right. because a lot of times, new cities, special cities, whatever you want to call them are thought of as a mechanism [crosstalk 00:05:57].
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...from exit from some existing regime. now a charter city kind of inverts that. right. so we know for example, that in the very product [crosstalk 00:06:08].
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...of entrepreneurship in the developing world and we do in the developed world, but of course that's because it's again, largely, mostly informal, right. so there are a thousand ways to be an entrepreneur, but they're [crosstalk 00:06:17].
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...2000 ways to run [inaudible 00:06:20] the government or this entity or that entity or the police or whatever.right. so often, i mean, basically what you're [crosstalk 00:06:28].
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