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True | Shaper_pmp | null | Right. It *can* work... with sufficiently enlightened companies and/or a small group and a formal agreement... but it's not something you can rely on happening as a general case.
FWIW I think I mis-read your comment to imply that BSD-style licences will *always or usually* work *because* of the bit I quoted, whereas ... | null | 0 | 1319380875 | False | 0 | c2trfcp | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trfcp | t1_c2trb8i | null | 1427771062 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | vytah | null | I'd say Python is pretty popular, but still not the top league. | null | 0 | 1319380988 | False | 0 | c2trfq0 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trfq0 | t1_c2tqosu | null | 1427771065 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | codepoet | null | I'm with ya. All my work is BSD/MIT and I only use similarly-licensed software with mine. Sometimes I make money, sometimes not. I always give attribution.
GPL is poison. Anything it touches becomes a legal morass for no good reason other that to booby-trap it for anyone that might actually want to use it. GPL is for... | null | 0 | 1319381124 | False | 0 | c2trg62 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trg62 | t1_c2tr4gv | null | 1427771068 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | No need to get offended. mushishi wrote about why he/she personally uses the BSD license. No one disputes your right to license things under the GPL.
On the other hand, saying "The GPL and its cousins never restrict how you can use code" is rather dishonest. Of course they restrict how you can use code; that's thei... | null | 0 | 1319381127 | False | 0 | c2trg6g | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trg6g | t1_c2tr914 | null | 1427771069 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | account512 | null | From what I understand there is no "public domain" for code. If there is no license it defaults to "not for use under any circumstances", the MIT license is a stand in for true public domain'ness.
If I improve code I always provide the improvements to the author and I understand why so people would want to use the GPL... | null | 0 | 1319381248 | False | 0 | c2trgko | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trgko | t1_c2tr914 | null | 1427771071 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cran | null | It sounds like you think when CVS/SVN/Perforce/etc. goes down, you can't keep working on your local copy. That for some reason they must be available in order for you to work.
It's exactly the same. You can work locally until the repository is back up, then you can checkout, checking, merge, etc.
You really think g... | null | 0 | 1319381369 | False | 0 | c2trgxv | t3_lks6n | null | t1_c2trgxv | t1_c2tqcfo | null | 1427771074 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | That's right - I'm not saying GPL is sub-optimal to BSD generally but in the quoted context. And in other circumstances it offers little protection from "ripping off" (cost of rewrite is the maximum price of your code, and that's assuming the project isn't for internal use in enterprise, in that case GPL is worthless A... | null | 0 | 1319381455 | False | 0 | c2trh7d | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trh7d | t1_c2trfcp | null | 1427771077 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ZMeson | null | Would you also license your code for use in closed environments for a fee? I do have to work for a corporation that is closed source and there are many GPL project I would have loved to use. We have used a couple of dual-licensed projects in the past and paid people for them.
Anyway, you are free to do what you want... | null | 0 | 1319381458 | False | 0 | c2trh7n | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trh7n | t1_c2tqlus | null | 1427771077 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bigdood69 | null | can you make actual commits when the CVS/SVN repo is down? THere is a difference between simply making changes to your working directory and making actual local commits | null | 0 | 1319381539 | False | 0 | c2trhhb | t3_lks6n | null | t1_c2trhhb | t1_c2trgxv | null | 1427771078 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ILikeBumblebees | null | HN has always been about startups. | null | 0 | 1319381556 | False | 0 | c2trhj7 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trhj7 | t1_c2tqydv | null | 1427771083 | 39 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mikehaggard | null | >W3Techs shows 77% of websites on PHP versus only 4% on Java, while builtwith.com shows 34% PHP versus 2% Java.
Still, Java is predominantly used on the server-side, and for a large part for building... web applications.
So obviously something is not adding up here.
Maybe you should also look on what kind of webs... | null | 0 | 1319381628 | False | 0 | c2trhrg | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trhrg | t1_c2tp963 | null | 1427771081 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sindisil | null | You poor, poor bastard. | null | 0 | 1319381633 | False | 0 | c2trhs5 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trhs5 | t1_c2tq2og | null | 1427771081 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cran | null | Can you commit to GitHub when it's down? | null | 0 | 1319381796 | False | 0 | c2triah | t3_lks6n | null | t1_c2triah | t1_c2trhhb | null | 1427771088 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | roguevalley | null | > How many of you out there go to management and say, “Hey, you know there’s this guy Zed who wrote the software I’m using, why don’t we hire him as a consultant?”
> You don’t. None of you.
I've hired domain experts as contractors several times. One I even hired on permanently.
The reason Zed doesn't get call... | null | 0 | 1319381842 | False | 0 | c2trig2 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trig2 | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771090 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bigdood69 | null | You make LOCAL commits to your LOCAL copy of the repository.
Can you make LOCAL **commits** with CVS/SVN when the server is down? | null | 0 | 1319381880 | False | 0 | c2trikd | t3_lks6n | null | t1_c2trikd | t1_c2triah | null | 1427771092 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jmknsd | null | >Users can benefit from it, or share the derivative work if the want
Again, with GPL, they can still do this. It's just a matter of them getting the money/reputation for making software that relies on someone elses code. If credit has to go to one of these groups, why not the ones who actually developed the project... | null | 0 | 1319381911 | False | 0 | c2trio7 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trio7 | t1_c2tr4gv | null | 1427771102 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dagbrown | null | I have a piece of software that has attained, well, modest success. It's called "gurgitate-mail", and it's basically a DSL for handling your mail messages. I wrote it because I tried to learn how to work procmail and I was appalled by its documentation, and then I looked at its code and it was so appalling that I dec... | null | 0 | 1319382207 | False | 0 | c2trjny | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trjny | t1_c2tqlus | null | 1427771107 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FatHat | null | I certainly wouldn't criticize someone for choosing their own license based on what's best for them, that's totally legit. I have to say though, I kind of feel like he's painting a strawman here. Everywhere I've worked using open source has never been like what he's describing. I will say companies probably don't give ... | null | 0 | 1319382209 | False | 0 | c2trjo5 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trjo5 | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771107 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | henk53 | null | I feel your pain...
It's a shocking how much "architects" want "the server to be stable", which in practice means don't ever upgrade and use ancient technology with completely outdated design patterns.
I love Java EE, but J2EE 1.4 and Websphere are a disgrace. It's an abomination, plain and simple.
There is no easy ... | null | 0 | 1319382424 | False | 0 | c2trkf5 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trkf5 | t1_c2tr4aa | null | 1427771117 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Mattho | null | I love that my native language is almost 1:1 letters to sounds. Grammar is far more complex though (than the english one). | null | 0 | 1319382525 | False | 0 | c2trks3 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trks3 | t1_c2tqohg | null | 1427771120 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kenfar | null | I develop apps in a very large corporation - and would love to directly license some GPL products: it would help me get around very restrictive corporate policies regarding licensing, would feel "right" to put cash into some developer's pocket, and while $5,000 - $10,000 is small potatoes for a major corporate project... | null | 0 | 1319382638 | False | 0 | c2trl5p | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trl5p | t1_c2tqlus | null | 1427771126 | 59 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | TheZimGuy | null | So i'm just starting CS, so the question is should i strengthen my Java skill so just leave them were they are? | null | 0 | 1319382712 | False | 0 | c2trldx | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trldx | t3_lle7t | null | 1427771128 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrhhug | null | i am in my last semester at community college before i transfer to a university, and i am appealed at how lazy+stupid+willfully ignorant a huge majority of the other students are. Then again that makes it look like i am working REALLY REALLY hard when im not. out of 45 students who started the CS 1 only me and another ... | null | 0 | 1319382715 | False | 0 | c2trlef | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trlef | t1_c2tret1 | null | 1427771128 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | squigs | null | I've never seen it as a loophole. You, as a user have no right to anything about my machine, just because you happen to use it. On my home computer I can change and modify any component, plug in whatever I like and install whatever software I want. The GPL extends this inherent property right to ensure that if I don... | null | 0 | 1319382971 | False | 0 | c2trm8z | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trm8z | t1_c2tqk0i | null | 1428191398 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NeonMan | null | Awesome, the only thing I could say about this. | null | 0 | 1319383202 | False | 0 | c2trn18 | t3_llsyw | null | t1_c2trn18 | t3_llsyw | null | 1427771159 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | u mad bro? | null | 0 | 1319383459 | False | 0 | c2trnyi | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trnyi | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771170 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | orbat | null | Yeah, who woulda figured a site called Y-Combinator would have something to do with functional languages? | null | 0 | 1319383526 | False | 0 | c2tro7k | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2tro7k | t1_c2tqydv | null | 1427771178 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Xsecrets | null | I don't get it if you always release your changes what legal risks are you opening yourself up to? | null | 0 | 1319383580 | False | 0 | c2trof1 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trof1 | t1_c2trgko | null | 1427771179 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jbs398 | null | Ditto for [Tir](http://tir.mongrel2.org/wiki/license.html), which is BSD and it looks like the repo's history starts during fall/winter 2010. | null | 0 | 1319383643 | False | 0 | c2trona | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trona | t1_c2tr0g6 | null | 1427771182 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Xsecrets | null | not sure about the comment, but the article makes it very clear that it's author does dual license. If someone doesn't want to give credit they have to give money. | null | 0 | 1319383746 | False | 0 | c2trp0m | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trp0m | t1_c2trh7n | null | 1427771184 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thebackhand | null | OS X is built off of BSD, for one. | null | 0 | 1319383873 | False | 0 | c2trpiz | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trpiz | t1_c2trati | null | 1427771191 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Reaper666 | null | Really? I got my email. it just happened to go hide in my spam folder on my underused email account. | null | 0 | 1319383893 | False | 0 | c2trpld | t3_llsqm | null | t1_c2trpld | t1_c2tq708 | null | 1427771191 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cultic_raider | null | Ah, yes, UNSW is also where dons was, IIRC.
I have wondered how correlated "getting deep into Haskell" was with doing a degree in a Haskell-intensive CS department (or some random US weather office like Oleg). | null | 0 | 1319383917 | False | 0 | c2trpnt | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2trpnt | t1_c2tocef | null | 1427771191 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Xsecrets | null | well it may not help him, but it would't hurt him either. So you would go get a commercial software instead of stealing his and not giving credit. No loss as he wasn't gaining anything from your using his software without attribution anyways. | null | 0 | 1319383924 | False | 0 | c2trpp2 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trpp2 | t1_c2trl5p | null | 1427771191 | 26 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | no
it's just that Java guys these days tend to be mature with full time jobs and no time or interest in blogging about programming, so you don't hear as much about Java anymore | null | 0 | 1319383953 | False | 0 | c2trpsz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trpsz | t3_lle7t | null | 1427771193 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | the-fritz | null | > Would you also license your code for use in closed environments for a fee?
Yes, that was the idea. You should contact the developers. I bet that a lot of them are open to the idea.
However it's not that easy if the project accepted patches from third party developers and didn't require a copyright assignment or ... | null | 0 | 1319384038 | False | 0 | c2trq3a | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trq3a | t1_c2trh7n | null | 1427771195 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dtrebbien | null | My use of "copyleft" pertains to being forced to apply the same license to source code modifications. Just like how the Apache License, Version 2, does not require distribution of source code if covered code is distributed in object form, but is still called "weakly copyleft".
> I really don't see the "weird legal ... | null | 0 | 1319384040 | True | 0 | c2trq3i | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trq3i | t1_c2tr04v | null | 1427771195 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | geodebug | null | I guess Zed's new opinion is that he'd not care if Mongrel was as successful; that it's success has had no positive return for him, financially or career-wise. | null | 0 | 1319384051 | False | 0 | c2trq57 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trq57 | t1_c2tqv8b | null | 1427771201 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | hey! we have this in perl too! its called "$". welcome to the party! | null | 0 | 1319384095 | False | 0 | c2trqao | t3_lm2ct | null | t1_c2trqao | t3_lm2ct | null | 1427771196 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | oh yes it was, for many years
then Linux came along, and Linux was cool, and Linux is C so if you want to be cool you have to like C even if you're a web programmer who would never go near it | null | 0 | 1319384130 | False | 0 | c2trqes | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trqes | t1_c2tm5ll | null | 1427771198 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | skalnik | null | That's a good point, I was thinking it from the aspect of code reviews done per commit rather than per pull request. | null | 0 | 1319384339 | False | 0 | c2trr4x | t3_lks6n | null | t1_c2trr4x | t1_c2tqnjg | null | 1427771204 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ais523 | null | What's done in practice (I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see why it wouldn't be legal) is to have a big long license-readme file, which says something along the lines of "Part of this code is written by ABC Corp, and has the following license:". (Typically they'll also say which part.) Then they use a different license f... | null | 0 | 1319384371 | False | 0 | c2trr8a | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trr8a | t1_c2trq3i | null | 1427771205 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | > But I have turnover in my project - I need a code base people with less than a 130 IQ can understand.
I understand the Linux kernel is written in C for that reason | null | 0 | 1319384380 | False | 0 | c2trr96 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trr96 | t1_c2tnnfx | null | 1427771205 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | More like they want to live a free society. Period. Not one that forces people to give away their work when they don't want to.
"Free society" is not analogous to the GPL since the GPL represents _less_ freedom than BSD/MIT. | null | 0 | 1319384436 | False | 0 | c2trrgd | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trrgd | t1_c2tqy8x | null | 1427771208 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jbs398 | null | As much as it sounds like hyperbole or overstating the matter, I rather have to agree regarding calling it "poison." One of the parents said "The GPL and its cousins never restrict how you can use code," but this isn't true unless your ultimate goal is to never let anyone else use a derivative work. Part of the life ... | null | 0 | 1319384509 | False | 0 | c2trrqk | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trrqk | t1_c2trg62 | null | 1427771211 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mooli | null | Do basically, lots of ifs, maybe, handwaving and nothing solid.
everything you said about SQL is a big red herring, because you can still use SQL with hibernate, and doing so is both easier and less code than doing so without hibernate.
and then an implied/assumed performance penalty that is not only unjustified, but... | null | 0 | 1319384514 | False | 0 | c2trrr7 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trrr7 | t1_c2tq4zd | null | 1427771212 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I'm not challenging you but, citation? | null | 0 | 1319384530 | False | 0 | c2trrtn | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trrtn | t1_c2tr5jp | null | 1427771213 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | electrofizz | null | Awesome. Rock on Zed. | null | 0 | 1319384549 | False | 0 | c2trrwk | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trrwk | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771214 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | echoota | null | I know I'm being a little Pollyanna about it, but it doesn't have to be that way. I can't attest to the VC point he makes, but it doesn't seem like giving credit/recognition is too expensive. | null | 0 | 1319384606 | False | 0 | c2trs4e | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trs4e | t1_c2tr8w7 | null | 1427771217 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | lzantal | null | +1 | null | 0 | 1319384610 | False | 0 | c2trs51 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trs51 | t1_c2tr4gv | null | 1427771217 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It probably turns out that he wasn't making the millions he expected and realized the project was dead unless someone started contributing.
It is educational though - since it is easier to go from a more restrictive license to a less restrictive license. | null | 0 | 1319384702 | False | 0 | c2trsgt | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trsgt | t1_c2tr0g6 | null | 1427771221 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mikaelhg | null | Tell me you don't seriously believe that to be true, that you're joking? | null | 0 | 1319384740 | False | 0 | c2trslq | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trslq | t1_c2tqbzf | null | 1427771224 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ker2x | null | that's what i understood too :D | null | 0 | 1319384771 | False | 0 | c2trspw | t3_lk7uf | null | t1_c2trspw | t1_c2td7xf | null | 1427771225 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gronkkk | null | Yeah, wanting to have bread on the table after a days work is 'a bit selfish'. | null | 0 | 1319384776 | False | 0 | c2trsqh | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trsqh | t1_c2tqrm5 | null | 1427771225 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | my sentiments exactly:
>I know, I know, many of you freesoftware diehards are thinking that makes me a traitor, but think about it. You have the software, and it’s GPLed, and as long as you’re a rock solid open source project who releases their code you are free to use it and do what you want with it.
>I love o... | null | 0 | 1319384859 | False | 0 | c2trt1c | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trt1c | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771228 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wolf550e | null | The people who have been interested in Java in or VM technology have read all about it years ago. The linked page and you sound like Oracle PR, when in fact none of this was done by Oracle.
Hotspot is very good technology that has had a lot of time invested into it by some big companies with deep pockets. It's too bad... | null | 0 | 1319384874 | False | 0 | c2trt3q | t3_llz44 | null | t1_c2trt3q | t1_c2tr8k5 | null | 1427771229 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sindisil | null | That would resolve his second and fourth reasons.
However, it does nothing to resolve his third and fifth reasons.
His first reason ("because I want to") can be ignored, not because it's not entirely valid (it is), but because can only be addressed by Zed himself. Only he can decide what he wants to do.
The interest... | null | 0 | 1319384902 | False | 0 | c2trt7m | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trt7m | t1_c2tqu5f | null | 1427771232 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ErstwhileRockstar | null | Recently I've managed to dip into [ANTLR](http://www.antlr.org/). It certainly is an impressive tool but I feel it takes over too much from the programmer. The language implementer becomes an operator of the ANTLR-machine (I may take a second look at ANTLR in the future). Therefore I appreciate the down-to-earth approa... | null | 0 | 1319384936 | False | 0 | c2trtcn | t3_llq5f | null | t1_c2trtcn | t3_llq5f | null | 1427771232 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | henk53 | null | >But isn't that true for a JDBC implementation as well?
>No, because if project uses manually-tuned large SQLs, all programmers by default must know SQL, and today it equals... you know.. more clever programmers!
Again, I know where you're heading. If the ORM completely abstracts the DB away, 'dumb' programmers ... | null | 0 | 1319384950 | False | 0 | c2trtel | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trtel | t1_c2treuq | null | 1427771233 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Yeah, I thought his plan might be a little impractical to implement. Anyone who contributes to his GPL open-source version would have to agree to a copyright assignment to him if he wanted to be able to use their changes in the version he sells under a different license. Or I suppose you could require that any patches ... | null | 0 | 1319384991 | True | 0 | c2trtkj | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trtkj | t1_c2tr0g6 | null | 1427771243 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | campbellm | null | =) I'm a language whore; I read the list and realized I'd never heard of *THAT* one before, so went to look it up. | null | 0 | 1319385059 | False | 0 | c2trttz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trttz | t1_c2tr8oq | null | 1427771240 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | account512 | null | I might have forgotten, or I might not have improved it in general just made it more specifically tailored to my own uses. | null | 0 | 1319385074 | False | 0 | c2trtw8 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trtw8 | t1_c2trof1 | null | 1427771240 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319385079 | False | 0 | c2trtx1 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trtx1 | t1_c2trr8a | null | 1427771241 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ispland | null | Java is fast becoming a bloated legacy language. It's still difficult to find good programmers at reasonable cost in many areas of the US, which really makes it unfeasible for many startups and small companies to work with at the outset.
That said, Java still has it's uses, but it's multi vendor multi platform univer... | null | 0 | 1319385154 | False | 0 | c2tru78 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tru78 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427771252 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nekein | null | Seriously, it seems very obvious to me that the reason nobody would bother to hire Zed is because of his personality, he would be more of a liability than an asset. Take for instance SQLite, it is public domain software yet the author seems to be able to get sponsors without a problem. | null | 0 | 1319385177 | False | 0 | c2truan | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2truan | t1_c2trig2 | null | 1427771247 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Malnilion | null | I don't understand. You say the Debian folks found the Ruby license too restrictive, yet you can do whatever you want with it and not release the source. Whereas with the GPL license, which they advocated, you have to share any changes to the source back to the community... | null | 0 | 1319385306 | False | 0 | c2trut0 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trut0 | t1_c2trjny | null | 1427771257 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LegacyAngel | null | This is useless. | null | 0 | 1319385327 | False | 0 | c2truw4 | t3_lk7uf | null | t1_c2truw4 | t3_lk7uf | null | 1427771260 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Have you ever tried to remove the 'news.' part from HN link? The parent company is all about startups, it should not come as a wonder that they have a lot of startup-related threads there. | null | 0 | 1319385348 | False | 0 | c2truyw | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2truyw | t1_c2tqydv | null | 1427771260 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Why would Acme corp care if it's modifications to the file are licensed as BSD? It seems to only matter if they are distributing source, which if they are a closed source company is unlikely. You say yourself:
> "[redistributions] of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and th... | null | 0 | 1319385369 | False | 0 | c2trv27 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trv27 | t1_c2trq3i | null | 1427771262 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptkpr | null | Of course you can public domain code, you just have to give up the copyright that you own by default. Just be careful, this also grants people the ultimate freedom: the freedom to make your code (or derivatives there-of) non-free.
Can you elaborate on these legal risks? As long as you play by the rules of the GPL (i... | null | 0 | 1319385391 | False | 0 | c2trv5t | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trv5t | t1_c2trgko | null | 1427771263 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | If "my software" statically linked his GPL software in then Zed _would_ care which license I used. That is the contradiction. He says he doesn't care, but he would in that situation.
Oh I know, you're going to say that "my software" isn't really "mine" because Zed wrote that one module. That's bullshit. If I wrote 10 ... | null | 0 | 1319385472 | False | 0 | c2trvgz | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trvgz | t1_c2tqrmo | null | 1427771266 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hiffy | null | >GPL is for authors that want the name "open source" without the spirit of open source
Well, OBVIOUSLY, I think the issue that people have different opinions on what "open source" means. Programmers! Know your history lessons! | null | 0 | 1319385610 | False | 0 | c2trw0f | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trw0f | t1_c2trg62 | null | 1427771279 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hiffy | null | Yeah, 'cos we know that one french guy who wrote that minor library you use is gonna find out and *track you down*.
No, it's just hard to explain to managers the legal requirements. But here's one better: at least with GPLv2 you're only required to release your changes if you ship a binary. So, virtually every company... | null | 0 | 1319385746 | False | 0 | c2trwkj | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trwkj | t1_c2trof1 | null | 1427771281 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | You made a good point because _reality_ is not as black and white as some legal document. In reality, we'd like the ability to statically link GPL software with Non-GPL software. Zed says he doesn't care if you don't GPL your software, but he _WOULD_ if you statically linked your Non-GPL software to his GPL software.
... | null | 0 | 1319385837 | False | 0 | c2trwxb | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trwxb | t1_c2tqspm | null | 1427771285 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I agree with Zed but not necessarily the GPL. I believe in dual licensing. My philosophy on intellectual property is pretty straight forward: if you make money off of my work then I deserve a cut.
This even applies to music. For example, a radio station makes money (through advertising) when they play an artists music... | null | 0 | 1319385921 | False | 0 | c2trx99 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trx99 | t3_llw0s | null | 1427771297 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | Which is, of course, crap. Lots and lots and lots of people know his name and his style, and lots of those are the ones who are in a position to pay him. I'm willing to bet that he got a lot of his jobs from people who knew his code.
What he seems upset by is that *people didn't spontaneously give him lots and lots of... | null | 0 | 1319386024 | False | 0 | c2trxnp | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trxnp | t1_c2trq57 | null | 1427771298 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kryptkpr | null | > Of course they restrict how you can use code; that's their entire purpose, to restrict me from, e.g., including your code in binary with a commercial license, which is something I could otherwise have used your code for.
This is exactly the freedom that the LGPL grants. I don't write libraries, so I don't use it... | null | 0 | 1319386048 | False | 0 | c2trxrr | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trxrr | t1_c2trg6g | null | 1427771296 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | This is such a bullshit response. eevar didn't say that anyone _should_ do anything. He said **what he prefers**, not what everyone should do. You twisted it by saying:
"It's like you're saying that all code should be free"
No. It's not like that. It's like what he _actually said_ which was not that.
EDIT: The GPL d... | null | 0 | 1319386185 | False | 0 | c2tryan | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2tryan | t1_c2tqq81 | null | 1427771300 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Jasper1984 | null | You don't even consider the point that BSD/MIT licenses allow 'kidnapping'. Users of that software don't have to ever give any source back. How am i to consider your post even a reply? (Nor do you consider the LGPL, which protects the source in question, but allows use of it with other licenses.) | null | 0 | 1319386274 | False | 0 | c2trynq | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trynq | t1_c2trrgd | null | 1427771306 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NewbieProgrammerMan | null | For an example of people getting irked when their code is used without attribution (which is allowed under the zlib license, which the author chose to use): [Box2D and Angry Birds](http://blog.blprnt.com/blog/blprnt/angry-birds-box2d-an-opensource-holiday-wish) | null | 0 | 1319386393 | False | 0 | c2trz55 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trz55 | t1_c2trrtn | null | 1427771313 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mushishi | null | I agree that this deserves proper analytical article but I am not the expert to write one. I have however used Hibernate for two years at work so I have felt the pain, and seen how others struggle with it.
I have no interest to spend my time arguing it in detail as it is a topic that I don't enjoy. I feel a bit sorry ... | null | 0 | 1319386413 | True | 0 | c2trz84 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2trz84 | t1_c2trrr7 | null | 1427771313 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rasherdk | null | > It is educational though - since it is easier to go from a more restrictive license to a less restrictive license.
Depends on the situation. If you have a big problem with many contributors, you'd need to get permission from everyone to start distributing under a more permissive license. | null | 0 | 1319386457 | False | 0 | c2trzea | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trzea | t1_c2trsgt | null | 1427771324 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | You're losing it anyway by forcing your code license on other people. That's the reason LLVM exists. | null | 0 | 1319386515 | False | 0 | c2trzms | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2trzms | t1_c2tr4zq | null | 1428191388 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319386671 | False | 0 | c2ts093 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2ts093 | t1_c2tr86x | null | 1427771342 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cerebrum | null | I agree with Zed in general.
> But if you are going to make money of my code without giving anything back then you should have the decency to pay me.
I was working in a small startup(I'm no longer there) and we weren't making any money, nor did we have much money, my boss was basically funding most of the company ... | null | 0 | 1319386774 | False | 0 | c2ts0nj | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts0nj | t1_c2tqlus | null | 1427771415 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | > The GPL and its cousins never restrict how you can use code: you're free to peruse it and to execute it, for any purpose whatsoever.
This is at best a horribly twisted half-truth.
In actual fact, in the *vast* majority of cases of GPLed software, the GPL automatically means that you can never use code contained ... | null | 0 | 1319386780 | False | 0 | c2ts0or | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts0or | t1_c2tqx2p | null | 1427771415 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | regeya | null | Well, exactly, and depending on what platform you're on, it might need some porting.
I'm not an expert, and I'm not saying it's impossible to write cross-platform C, but superbad hit the nail on the head. | null | 0 | 1319386796 | False | 0 | c2ts0rb | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2ts0rb | t1_c2tqlg2 | null | 1427771416 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319386797 | False | 0 | c2ts0rh | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts0rh | t1_c2trhj7 | null | 1427771416 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | WillisSE | null | This article was released in 2007, well after .NET 2.0 and the bottom of the page states it applies to .NET 1.0 and .NET 1.1
Interestingly, the [VB version](http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896579) does include .NET 2.0, but nothing after. | null | 0 | 1319386856 | False | 0 | c2ts0zg | t3_ll9io | null | t1_c2ts0zg | t1_c2tql5b | null | 1427771418 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319386861 | False | 0 | c2ts107 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2ts107 | t1_c2tr3e2 | null | 1427771420 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mpyne | null | > No one disputes your right to license things under the GPL.
Well, mushishi did in their earlier post:
> I don't get it why I should be able to restrict the use of information by artificial legal constraints.
Not necessarily disputing the *right* to do so, but disputing why a license such as GPL should be per... | null | 0 | 1319386868 | False | 0 | c2ts116 | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts116 | t1_c2trg6g | null | 1427771420 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | > Just be careful, this also grants people the ultimate freedom: the freedom to make your code (or derivatives there-of) non-free.
Uh... no it doesn't. If you explicitly give up your copyright, nobody else can simply take your work and copyright it as their own. Your code will always be out there, and not copyright... | null | 0 | 1319386942 | False | 0 | c2ts1bc | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts1bc | t1_c2trv5t | null | 1427771423 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319386946 | False | 0 | c2ts1bz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2ts1bz | t1_c2to1u0 | null | 1427771423 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | WinterAyars | null | If you don't want to 'give away your work" then why contribute? What's the plan? Take an open project and then release a non-free version with your own modifications? That doesn't sound like "contributing" at all. That sounds like someone letting you use something and then you run off with it. | null | 0 | 1319386974 | False | 0 | c2ts1fi | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts1fi | t1_c2trrgd | null | 1427771424 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319387089 | True | 0 | c2ts1wa | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts1wa | t1_c2tr3w5 | null | 1427771431 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | The vast majority of GPLed projects can't be alternate-licensed in any case. Basically, if more than two or three people have contributed anything, even a two-line bug fix, to the project, it is simply impossible to track them all down and get them all to agree to a license. | null | 0 | 1319387096 | False | 0 | c2ts1xc | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts1xc | t1_c2trl5p | null | 1427771431 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319387103 | False | 0 | c2ts1yg | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2ts1yg | t1_c2tq5x2 | null | 1427771432 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | oldpond | null | Plus one for Zed. He sees straight to the heart of things like a shotgun blast through the front door. | null | 0 | 1319387173 | False | 0 | c2ts28s | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts28s | t3_llw0s | null | 1428191385 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | > It is educational though - since it is easier to go from a more restrictive license to a less restrictive license.
If and ONLY if you are the only contributor, or you require all contributors to actually sign agreements (sign, not just check a check-box) that say that they assign all rights to all of their contri... | null | 0 | 1319387247 | False | 0 | c2ts2ik | t3_llw0s | null | t1_c2ts2ik | t1_c2trsgt | null | 1427771443 | 27 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cr4z3d | null | well it's over HTTP which is easier to man in the middle than HTTPS due to the nature of TLS | null | 0 | 1319387268 | False | 0 | c2ts2m4 | t3_lfcd0 | null | t1_c2ts2m4 | t1_c2sc1cn | null | 1427771443 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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