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dublem
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There are states without income tax?
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This can only work if there are MASSIVE penalties for outsourcing your projects. Otherwise all this does is encourage companies to send the programming work overseas. Instead of 20 programmers the company will now hire 5 project managers at half a programmers salary to work shitty hours and hand-hold the absolute muppets who are writing the code in some third-world shit-hole.
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This is not protectionism. This is the minimal application of the H1-b visa program for what it was originally intended for (bringing in folks with exceptional skills). H1-b abuse by the outsourcing bodyshops bringing in sloppy workers should have been done with a long time ago. Maybe you can share how this actually deviates from the original intention of the H1-b skills based visa program?
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loup-vaillant
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The downvotes here, while understandable, are probably inaccurate. I live in France, where there is a pretty big gap between the net salary and the total salary (gross salary is somewhere in between). My employer pays nearly twice the money I receive on my bank account each month. But those taxes pay for various things, such as retirement, unemployment insurance (helped me quite a bit), health insurance, among other things. Speaking about health insurance, I [broke my shoulder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separated_shoulder) 3 months ago (type 3 with a small twist). Left as is, I would most likely have stopped playing cello. Got patched up by a specialist, did great work, and now I'm almost healed. The operation probably cost somewhere around 10.000€, possibly more. I expect over 30% of French people cannot afford that much. Thanks to my health insurance however, I paid almost nothing. I'm not sure how that would have gone in the US. I've heard of people having to chose which finger they want to save, because they couldn't pay for both to be stitched back after an accidental severing.
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H1B is (was?) the only semi-reliable way for a programmer to immigrate to the US. So no, it is not unfair to the immigrants, this is their only and voluntary chance.
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magnora7
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But good luck finding that job
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PrancingPeach
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Yeah, saying you should get a $100k programming job in rural America is laughable at best. With that said, you can still strike a *much* better balance than what you get in Silicon Valley, NYC, or Seattle. Just go to other medium/big cities (outside of CA and NY) that have smaller but still reasonable tech communities.
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simplethings1122
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If your running a business application your much more likely to piss off all of your clients if something does go wrong. Why are weekend deployments wrong?
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aullik
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> The error you're making is that this isn't what the author wanted: a constant time function (in particular, the function needs to be equally slow when the two hashes differe in the first character as when they differ only in the last character). True.
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geekgrrl0
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Invest in a good coat, hat and gloves and you'll be fine. Plus, for the biggest weenies (just teasing), there are skyways to get you around the majority of downtown MPLS and most of St Paul too :) these are actually pretty nice when it's windy! Climate change has been making the winters here pretty mild. I was actually disappointed with the lack of snow these past 2 winters. Even snowshoeing and cross country skiing was horrible, thanks to the rain we got Xmas day :(
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rz2000
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> This change will make the gap increase, I would imagine, That seems highly unlikely. Silicon Valley doesn't pay more than other areas of the country because of a shortage of programmers. There are network effects, and each programmer on an individual level is able to be more productive because they are able to collaborate with their peers. Economics 101 isn't exactly contradicted by every economics course you take in higher levels, but a simple understanding of supply and demand is not sufficient to understand real world market dynamics.
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seraph1441
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I've had 2 remote work jobs, and neither one has adjusted the salary based on my home address. Maybe some do, but that has not been my experience. Besides, if I'm looking for jobs and the company is will to pay 100K, and then they find out where I live and try to cut that down to 70-80K, I'm going to turn them down so fast their head will spin. My work is worth what it's worth, regardless of where I sleep at night.
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magnora7
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Only people exploiting the labor pool benefit from H1-B visas
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loknarash
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Why the fuck are Americans competing against brown and yellow people that don't give a fuck about America other than $$? Ban all immigration and fuck this multicultural bullshit.
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grajek
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Thank God. If you know anyone that worked for Disney who [recently got canned so someone with 1/2 the salary could do the same job but 1/2 as well, AND they had to train their replacements and get humiliated](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0), you would agree this is a good thing. That crap has got to stop. Disney, who is ROLLING in money, really can't afford to pay their top IT talent top dollar? Really? You get what you pay for, folks.
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forhirewebguy
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I'm in. Where do I sign up?
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Right. My college had a pretty big focus on the SWEBOK and processes and such.
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magnora7
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Couldn't agree more. So you became a programming contractor or what?
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elus
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You don't have to be an American company to be listed in an American stock exchange.
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> Cracking down on visas will not magically solve the mismatch between the US working force's skills and the job market's demands. Maybe not, but it'll drive salaries up; which in turn will convince more people to get into coding. It'll also convince companies to invest in their own training programs (the company I work for, a Fortune 500, has done several successful programs to take groups of skilled people from various other professions and teach them coding). And it'll convince universities and other organizations to start offering the same sort of training. The market will correct itself if the easy we-don't-invest-in-our-people option disappears. We like to think that, as coders, we're super intelligent and we're uniquely suited to our job and you can't just take someone off the street and teach them to code without years of investment; but for probably 80% of the coding that actually goes on in business, that's not the case. There's a lot of 'ditch digging' in software development, and vocational training can get you perfectly serviceable basic coders that can handle much of it.
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Incidentally, showing your degree is a big part of it.
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magnora7
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They might have to _*gasp*_ ....TRAIN people. What a concept.
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Fuck man...there goes man plan of studying and working in the US. And that's what I had always dreamed about! I wanted to start a business there and now I can't even work there even with a masters in CompSci? Fuck!
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burlycabin
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My bad. I also missed the tech job part of your comment.
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Bentov
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It's the companies that are hiring them, can you not see that?
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They already did that if they can. Now they're importing workers for jobs that are difficult to export. It's good this is being changed, because many Americans cannot find work.
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lleti
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Your salary won't be higher, but your cost of living will be way lower. Also, no being left to die on the side of the road if you suffer from a heart attack before paying for private Healthcare. And no absolutely crippling debt if you earned your degree here!
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magnora7
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They're already doing that anyway.
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Zagaroth
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well, high profile *should* mean that they have the funds and knowledge to be willing to pay people what they are worth, so are only looking for H1Bs who can actually do the work, rather than looking for cheap coding labor.
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ArmandoWall
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I understand that. But OP made a blanket comment that is simply not true. > The H1B program is a shell game intended to allow companies to hire cheaper foreign labor instead of American workers. The program is abused, sure. But "so that companies hire cheaper foreign labor" is not its primary intention.
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didnt_check_source
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That's actually kind of funny.
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programmingguy
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IMHO, yeah...also I would think US based IT consultancies that pay descent wages to their foreign hires also count (IBM, HP, Accenture) and even recognizable American companies that need not have IT as its core business but has some serious IT work going on.... like well known retail and banks. I'm just basing these opinions on knowing folks who had applications from outsourcing firms and bodyshops rejected over the recent few years while legit applications in companies like JPMC, Victoria's secret, Pfizer have been approved. The number of applications from these companies are in the single digits. USCIS sees US employers as legitimate while Indian companies have rightly earned a horrible reputation. You can clearly see the difference when you compare the average salaries offered by US based companies vs Indian outsourcing body shops.
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noodlez
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If you want to have a serious de-anonymized discussion, PM me. But generally speaking, smaller companies and startups. If you're in an area where your only choices are 5 minutes and 45 minutes, you're probably not living in a tech hotbed.
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NetStrikeForce
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That barista was a poor planner. I would've encouraged you to do it and once everybody moves to Seattle I would move to California for the sun and cheaper cost of living :-P
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Mason-B
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Actually the new `if constexpr () {}` feature fixes this. if constexpr (is_void_v<R>) { auto r = (*fn)(ts...); some_stuff(); // e.g. why ever you put it on a seperate line on the first place return r; } else { (*fn)(ts...); some_stuff(); return; } Which you could easily build a helper template out of to support: template<typename R, typename... Ts> R forwarder2(R(*fn)(Ts...), Ts const&... ts) { std::cout << __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ << std::endl; auto r = forward_helper_invoke(fn, ts...); some_stuff(); return r(); } Where the result of `forward_helper_invoke` is either an empty callable struct with void return, or a struct with the result value which it returns.
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> All that closing off visas is going to do is keep them, and their jobs, out of the US. If that was the case, then why do companies even bother with H1Bs? If they can locate the exact same job in Canada, pay less money and get the same work out of that guy.. then why not just leave him there forever? There's obviously some kind of advantage to the Amazons and Microsofts of the world to relocate those people in to the US, since they work so hard at it.
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NetStrikeForce
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Vacation as in paid vacation?
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dx30
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Visa renewal is WAY easier than Visa acceptance. You'll be fine.
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nyrol
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/r/SeattleWA should use them as a spokesperson. They seem to hate transplants there.
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I disagree, London house prices are as high as anywhere in the world, yet dev salaries in the UK are less than 50% of what somewhere in Seattle would earn, let alone SF.
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mmstick
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People can claim that perfectly well -- that they are mastering a subject area. I can: 1) Write kernels, virtual machines, and embedded software 2) Write system services and applications for both the client and server sides 3) Write desktop applications for Linux That pretty much checks out for going on the way to mastering systems/Linux software development. I am definitely seeing that the programming community here is full of pretentious assholes though that would rather argue about petty details than an actual technical discussion though.
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ArmandoWall
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I understand that, and I can see how my comment could come across as an attack on qualification. But still, saying that the H1B _solely_ exists to hire cheaper labor is debatable.
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luismars
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I see a little commit on a branch
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tonnynerd
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If shit goes wrong, you don't have to work the weekend to fix. Plus, depending on the business, weekends might have more traffic than weekdays, so down time in a Wednesday is less worse.
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dsiOneBAN2
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If you have hatred to protect then no, otherwise, yes.
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mikebritton
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I spent the last seven years consulting with a target on my back because H1B workers, many lacking the skills they claim, were simply cheaper. I trained many of them after the fact. Meanwhile, my independent contractor friends were regularly lowballed by the very firms who must now play by the rules. It's good to see this locked down.
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evildonald
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Fuck Infosys.
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t0rakka
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Ah, okay, I see; thanks! :)
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Well shit. Does anyone know if there's likely going to be a change to the OPT STEM extension? It seems like it's the logical next step after this and I'm on that right now.
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The Swedish median salary for programmers is 42k USD, but in Stockholm it is probably 50-55k. Compared to these 80k is very high.
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njtrafficsignshopper
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What gives you that impression?
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good. companies have been using these to underpay people for a long time.
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The (inaccurate) details are less important than the deeper point: H1-B is just one of many types of visas used to get programmers into the country. I work with several foreign programmers here on various visas. None of them are H1-B.
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> I'm not sure how that would have gone in the US. I've heard of people having to chose which finger they want to save, because they couldn't pay for both to be stitched back after an accidental severing. LOL Has the US really cried enough that the world thinks we are a 3rd world country? While anecdotal I have a story that tells you the state of healthcare in the US. My son was born with a 1 in 100,000 disease. Death by 12-24 months without treatment. He received a BMT at one of two hospitals that treat this disease in the world. Both of those hospitals being the in the US. After seeing all the insurance statements in the mail, it was easily over $2m USD. Chemo pharmacy alone was $600k. What did that treatment cost me? The $400/month I pay for his insurance. Literally $4800 a year that isn't a tax. If I didn't live in the US he would have been given palliative care until he passed. The people who are here, from outside the US, to save their children are doing it out of their pockets.
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I think the question is actually okay, **IF** you're judging a candidate for a position where they'll be doing _actual_ algorithms work, **AND IF** you follow the question up with a brief definition of what a binary tree is and what would make it symmetrical or not. Without these two conditions, you're _actually_ asking the following questions: 1. do they know what a binary tree is? 2. do they know what it means for one to be symmetrical? 3. can they think algorithmically? or, have they solved this problem before? 4. can you take your mental model of the problem/solution and encode it in something a computer could use? A person that has not had formal training, but is considering the position you're supposedly interviewing for, may not actually have direct experience with a binary tree - but that doesn't mean they couldn't do the job. What you're really interested in is questions 3 & 4. IMHO, a good interview problem for _most_ software engineering roles should be able to tell the interviewer: 1. can the candidate take a potentially abstract problem, and come up with a solution for it 2. can they translate that to code 3. optionally: is the candidate familiar with the technical/business domain they are being interviewed for I say #3 is optional, because you could tease that out in normal discussion. It should be relatively easy to learn new technical domains if they're able to do #1 and #2, and relatively easy to learn a new business domain unless it's especially niche. Most importantly, the problem should have an explicit "baseline" of technical knowledge built in. Do you actually care if the candidate knows off the top of their head what a symmetric binary tree is? Or are you only interested if, given some definition of "symmetric", they can write a function to test for it? I'd almost always argue for the latter, especially because I've seen cases where the interviewer's definition varies wildly from the candidate's, and it's usually counterproductive for the candidate to try to argue on a "minor detail", lest they appear argumentative or arrogant. So why not just eliminate the discrepancy and explicitly declare your expectations and definitions? I also feel that the mistake a lot of interviewers make, is in asking a candidate to do both #1 and #2 at the same time, on a whiteboard. I've found that presenting the problem and talking out a solution (or at least thoroughly discussing the problem space) before even trying to write code leads to better results.
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I wish UK and Germany were more normal countries where normal people like engineers could get rich based on their capability but they're not such countries. As long as there's a place offering salaries that are double and more people will do what they can to get there.
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Good point, and yeah, that sucks. I, of course, believe that there are plenty of qualified Americans for tech jobs. I'm not sure how to disrupt that paradoxical inertia, though. I said paradoxical, because bringing a foreign person from overseas is damn hard (red tape, paperwork, etc) for the average company, compared to simply hiring an American citizen and telling him or her "you can start tomorrow."
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Oooh the entitlement is strong in this one.
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You mean that "Free Market" system that was regulated to shit by the federal government since WW2? That one?
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I assure you, my lifestyle could not be described as living out of a suitcase.
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Let's change this sub from r/programming to r/muricaProgramming because this has turned into a racist cesspool. Now can we move this sub to programming related topics please. This post has nothing to do with programming and everything to do with immigration. Or this is going to be one more thing where USA/Western hegemony rules and everyone else is second class citizens ?? We brown folks get it now. Despite becoming CEOs of Google, Microsoft and countless other companies, founding countless startups and becoming one of the most richest demographics in USA, we are somehow the worst programmers in the world and we come to USA to kick all you all white folks out of your job. While those sweet canadians on TN visa and Australians on EB3 visa totally not taking American jobs. Please keep engaging in mental gymnastic to justify your racism.
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Do you mind sharing the names of those that do not?
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Nick's blog is one of my all time favourite blogs of all time. I think anyone that wants to learn some damn cool algorithms, [should check out the rest of the site](http://blog.notdot.net/tag/damn-cool-algorithms).
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Y'know this is bait right?
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Look I'm not gonna argue with you anymore, I'm just telling you it's very clear to everyone why you can't get a job, and it has nothing to do with your ability to code.
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This is bait
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> And we can pocket the 98 cents $1.00 - $0.10 - $0.98 - $0.01 - $0.01 = -$0.10 Whoops! You've just been caught embezzling. Shoulda flown straight.
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For a simple example, writing C code, you may have a makefile like this: target1: input1.o input2.o input3.o target2: input4.o input5.o input6.o # generic .cpp => .o rule: %.o: %.cpp g++ -c $< This will handle all of the builds, but because there are no dependencies on headers, you will get strange build failures when you try to change a header and recompile. The usual solution is to ask gcc to generate a makefile fragment that you can include: target: input1.o input2.o input3.o target2: input4.o input5.o input6.o # same generic rule, -MD -MF generates a file with # the real dependencies for the input file. %.o: %.cpp g++ -c $< -MD -MF .deps/$<.d # -include includes files if they exist. -include .deps/*.d `mk` on Plan 9 takes the crude approach of just listing all the headers. However, I believe, it also lets you input the result of a shell command into the dependency list, something like: %.o: %.c `{ cat .deps/$stem.d || true } $O^c $stem Other toolchains have similar support for generating dependency files that you can include. Both of these approaches fall flat when you're compiling something other than C, where you need to build things in a specific order, rather than building in whatever order, and only needing dependencies to accurately regenerate things. This is why Go, Rust, Myrddin, Haskell, and others have their own build systems instead of using make: Listing out each and every dependency is a huge pain in the ass, so you either end up writing a tool that scrapes your code and generates a makefile, or you build your own build system that is designed for your language. My build tool for Myrddin, `mbld` So, if you're trying to be generic, this is a problem that needs solving. If you're trying to be language specific, you can get away with language specific knowledge.
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All the points you mention happen because the h1b system is setup against the employee. There is no certainity and I am at the mercy of my employer/customer/project/immigration laws to work in US. The visa itself is called "temporary permit for alien worker" or something like that. As an Indian H1B, in addition to paying social security taxes that I get no benefit from, I also have to pay taxes in US for the income in India. Why should I have to do that?
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Best Pro Tip Ever.
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There's a structural difference. Programmers in other countries often work for an existing company, in an existing industry, and try to make its operations more efficient. They get paid well, but their salary is ultimately bounded by how much their employer is making, which isn't growing in any significant way. Programmers in the U.S. (and particularly in Silicon Valley) often work for companies that are outright trying to replace existing companies or existing industries. If they succeed, then they get to claim *the entire revenue* of a whole market as their own, which lets them grow much faster. Much of these spoils go to the founders & VCs, but a good amount trickles down to the engineers as well, which lets them pay much higher compensation than when you work for an existing company. If you win, at least.
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What about companies that are using the program in the right way -- to hire foreigners who are more qualified than local people?
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I know I can't do UI design
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How long were you unemployed? I find it hard to believe you were unemployed for long if you truly are a master of systems/Linux software.
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It was actually written in 1998, a recent article was incorrect in stating 1989, but also, H-1Bs can be paid under the minimum, and any attempt to increase that minimum does not mean that H-1Bs can't be paid less than the minimum. That minimum wage is for exempt H-1Bs, and anything less than the minimum is for non-exempt H-1Bs. Exemption is with regard to burden of proof from the employer. If you're paying less than the minimum, you have to prove there was no other American to do so, and that you really need them at that price.
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And foreigners.
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There is definitely an advantage to being in the same location as your co-workers, but if you get enough of them together in the external location then they can work together and you don't have to move. I suspect that they are less concerned with the amount of money and instead getting the right people for the work. If they can get them to Seattle then that is great. If the rules prevent them from getting to Seattle then the next best thing is to move more of the permanent development to other countries like Canada. They want those people, not just cheap labor (otherwise, as you say, they would just keep them offsite and pay less) and the result of keeping them out of the US is to increase the size of their international locations. If Canada stays open to programmer immigrants and the US stays closed to programmer immigrants it could be a huge plus for Canada.
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Not all IT jobs are in Silicon Valley. I would say most of the abuse of the H1B system is elsewhere as well. It is not in the highest of high tech, but in the thousands of jobs in financials and health care all across the nation where the H1B workers are average at best and could easitly be replaced by instituting a training program or increasing the pay by 15 to 20%
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Yes, professionals, such as doctors or engineers aren't considered White or blue collar workers
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That's really irrelevant here, because it doesn't matter what makes one good at writing software. This is about labor law and allocating visas, and how specialized and in-demand a particular job is. Your snarky comment is just nit-picking the most meaningless distinction between the two definitions.
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10/10 can confirm TCS is the one directly replacing american labor at my company with HB1 workers.
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Yes it is, and will be for at least 2 more years. -Downvoted for stating a fact?
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> but have no hope of reading an academic paper and implementing anything? Why should I? Someone will do it, and I'll just `import fancy_schmancy_package`.
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I live in rural Indiana. For $1k/month mortgage I've got a 2000sqft house on a quarter acre. That would get you half of a leaking shed in Silicon Valley.
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That's not the right way. Train locals
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I understand that. I was simply pointing out that OP said that H1B exists solely for companies to hire cheaper labor; as if we all H1B recipients are "cheaper labor."
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How's that a good thing? I'd rather be able to fire a shitty employee.
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Is there a reason not to (try to) switch to H1B?
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