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chochomp
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Is it really that hard to find people? Fizzbuzz is a really low bar.
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Zagaroth
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If your HR is doing the initially filtering, I can almost guarantee that they are not filtering by the same standards that the tech field people would. And having more minorities makes the company look better from a PR point of view, so they'll also be inclined to pass one people with 'exotic' sounding names as well. IT should do it's own recruiting, competent techies generally ignore the fluff and are more concerned with can this person do the job right. Once IT has done its initial sorting, then HR can screen for background check types of issues, and pass them on to IT for IT to review and consider. HR can't be trusted to understand what IT is actually looking for.
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dfseuz5
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erikhensarling
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Windows only...since AHK is Windows only; forgot to mention that in the title. I changed the archive shortcut to "e" instead of "y" as that is my preferred habit in Gmail.
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dfsevkl
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_Mardoxx
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>Security discussion is often talking about hypothetical situations or crazy attacks that don't matter to someone writing business grade software Lol qft
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dfsevxs
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dfsewel
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Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee
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> could those positions have been filled by an equally talented US citizen? The unemployment rate for software engineers is 3.6%, which is pretty much as low as it can realistically go, I don't really see evidence that there's a trove of talented US engineering talent that's been pushed out of employment by the H1B program.
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dfsex4j
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1493769141
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verylittlefinger
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Where I am (in Seattle) most college grads make more than 125k to start. The norm for 5 years is over 200k (total comp with bonus, stock, etc). I understand that it is easier to buy a good home in MN on 125k than in Seattle on 250. But the real estate prices keep going up, and there is still room for them to grow (Seattle hasn't reached SF pricing yet, but there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't). So you pay through the nose, but 30 years later you end up with vastly more assets - through higher comp and appreciation - in Seattle than in MN.
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dfsex4y
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wishinghand
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Even after you adjust for socialist-style healthcare, programmers are usually paid more in the USA. I'm not sure why. I heard somewhere that tech is more highly valued culturally than in other countries but I'm not sure I believe that. A lot of our expensive cities house our tech centers so that also drives up average salary. We don't have as many trains that let us live further away and commute into an urban center.
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dfsex6h
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_Mardoxx
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I don't imagine it would work as it's a completely random game?
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dfsexbp
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1493769144
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poco
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I just meant that programmers mostly wear t-shirts with no collars. But your point is taken.
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dfsexhp
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upalazyriver
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Then what factors do you blame for the problems that impact new grads in the US right now? It seems to me that companies would rather bring in a cheap, easily exploited developer from a third-world country than a recent college graduate from the USA, for obvious reasons. Maybe you see something I don't, though.
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dfsey44
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dfsey6a
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1493769156
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time_lord_allonzy
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I'm sorry for the behavior of a select few. They don't represent all Americans.
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1491256718
False
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dfsez6r
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t1_dfsec0k
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1493769169
-2
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wishinghand
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You say you can, but is it the sort of 'can' where yes it is possible but not that pleasant? Or is it quite nice even without the summer heat?
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1491256743
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dfsezya
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lifecantgetyouhigh
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Sounds like something is wrong with your resume. I'd say personality, but if you got 0 interviews... I know > 50 people who are within 2 years of my age who are making market rate in SF *from Canada*. I know plenty of bootcamp graduates making market rate as well. One thing though: few companies care about your GPA.
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False
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dfsf1ru
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1493769204
27
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08livion
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Someone will do it 2 years after you need it. And you still won't have a clue how it works or why it's used.
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1491256834
False
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dfsf2pd
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1493769216
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Sciguystfm
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Even if it was a menial job, it wouldn't make it blue collar. Blue collar jobs imply manual labor
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1491256837
False
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dfsf2t3
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njtrafficsignshopper
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What gives me the opposite impression is my current job. I negotiated for the salary based on the area the company was in, not where I was living at the time, and I got no trouble. Seems like other commenters have had similar experiences. Of course every negotiation is... a negotiation. But you said you would get an "adjustment" based on your address from most companies, and I don't see any evidence of that so far.
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dfsf330
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geekgrrl0
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I'm in the Twin Cities and had a nice loft in Uptown (St Paul, but 3 blocks to work) for $1200, included everything except internet. I bought a duplex and rent the other side (3bd/1ba with yard and off street parking for 2 cars - rents for $1400 blocks from Mitchell Law School. It's only that high because they have a large dog). There are affordable options, and pretty great public transportation. There are a lot of good developer jobs here. More need than supply like everywhere (Is there anywhere in the US where that isn't the case?) Good wages and benefits too, especially compared to the cost of living :)
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1491256850
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dfsf36y
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enroxorz
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Independent regional accreditation works. It ensures a school meets the minimum. As for you UoP comment, I've met great developers from there and shit developers from UC Berkeley. The school means nothing compared to the individual, so take your comment and shove it up your righteous rear.
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1491256855
False
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dfsf3c9
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Brit on an L1 actually, should be getting my green card this year or early next. I just have a few Indian friends who are stuck with the H1B nonsense for another decade, so this thing called 'empathy' makes me want to point out the nonsense. Then again based on that last sentence of yours you probably aren't familiar with empathy. Was probably on the watchlist for school shooter or something. Wow, a comment history exclusively complaining about immigrants and Jews. Nice.
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Superpickle18
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You are comparing a country the size smaller than the eastern US, with a population slightly bigger than New York city. So of course the average is going to be higher because we have several major IT centric companies willing to pay top dollar, and that drives the average up.
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1491256905
False
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dfsf4uy
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lifecantgetyouhigh
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> Naw, man, you're just shit. Those people are better than you. Don't be angry. Be better. Thank you. People expect to be handed $100k+/yr salaries simply for existing or making it through school.
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1491256906
False
0
dfsf4wn
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1493769246
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nyrol
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That isn't a very good statistic, as many countries have long wait times for green cards, and are still on H-1B after applying. Every H-1B I know has a green card application pending, that has been pending for years. They are part of the H-1B statistic, but not the green card applications for that year. It's much higher than ~10%.
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1491256916
False
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dfsf58c
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1493769250
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pythonpsycho1337
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The difference is that a programmer might not have an engineering degree
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1491256917
False
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dfsf59b
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wishinghand
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Not my experience. I'm in San Diego though. 40 hour work week, maternity/paternity leave, 9-11 paid USA holidays (depends on year), unlimited time off (only 2 weeks at a time though) (yes people actually use them without repercussion), I don't even know how to get into my building on the weekend, and we get fully paid healthcare.
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1491256950
False
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dfsf6au
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WallyMetropolis
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There are 7. Which is like 15% of the states.
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1491256960
False
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dfsf6ll
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1493769268
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enroxorz
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San Antonio chiming in. My wife and I live great on just my salary and we own our own home. Just depends where you live. I would never move to California. My dollar does not go as far.
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1491257000
False
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dfsf7t2
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1493769285
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kur1j
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I hate to say it, but I don't think higher salaries will entice significantly more Americans to go into engineering fields. The pay is already pretty good and has jobs available just about everywhere. Sadly, most Americans seem to be more inclined to being lazy and not wanting to do the additional work to obtain a better degree. They more simply want to take a finger painting class and expect 6 figures for their opinion.
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1491257010
False
0
dfsf84c
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1493769289
14
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flukus
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What are the rare skills that made you a skilled migrant? If all you had was a college degree then you were part of the abuse.
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1491257034
False
0
dfsf8wi
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1493769299
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enroxorz
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You'd be surprised about the markets out here and the amount of remote work.
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1491257037
False
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dfsf8zo
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1493769300
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Okymyo
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Exactly. It's to hire exceptionally talented foreign individuals, not to fire your entire IT department and replace them with foreigners willing to be paid less. Someone made an exceptional discovery or created amazing software or has a history of development in whatever it is you're developing, or whatever it may be along those lines? Then it's the right thing. Hiring people fresh out of college or with minimal experience from another country so you can pay them less? Not doing the right thing.
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1491257037
False
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dfsf8zz
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suninabox
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Good. We have to stop companies from initiating a race to the bottom with increased competition that see's workers pay and conditions diminish. Unless you work as a taxi driver in which case you're a commie and a loser and shouldn't be in the business if you can't handle competition from people willing to work for less than you.
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1491257062
False
0
dfsf9rk
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1493769310
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Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee
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Even after taking cost of living into account, the increased salaries more than compensate.
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1491257100
False
0
dfsfaxu
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1493769326
11
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zom-ponks
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Serious question: where PD is not recognized, would this be? I know it reads sort of "Public Domain Lite" (apologies if that's a misunderstanding on my behalf), but is it not in effect still under the Berne convention?
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1491257113
False
0
dfsfbbf
t3_638uun
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1493769331
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Skyzfallin
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Shhhhh... 😜
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1491257118
False
0
dfsfbh6
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1493769333
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magnora7
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Yes, although often they end up being abused, because the employer knows their visa to the US depends on them staying at their place of work. It's a system rife with abuse from multiple angles
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1491257143
False
0
dfsfc7j
t3_637m7q
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t1_dfsenlg
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1493769344
1
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e-couch
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Few of the best engineers I've worked with have a CS degree.
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1491257166
False
0
dfsfcwi
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1493769353
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dungone
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I'm just saying what I heard. You have no kids, don't own a house, and you plan to move to a different country at 40. And that's on top of the industry-standard job-hopping every 2-3 years, right? You're basically a nomad. If you're not living out of a suitcase then it's only on account of being a lousy packer.
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1491257188
False
0
dfsfdkd
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t1_dfsebuk
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1493769361
9
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nyrol
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The problem is, they aren't breaking the law. You can pay less than the minimum wage. It's up to USCIS and the DOL to determine if they get an H-1B. If you want to pay less, you just have to prove you need them, and that no American was available. It's up to USCIS to believe you.
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1491257188
False
0
dfsfdl4
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1493769362
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njtrafficsignshopper
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Can you take the reductive circlejerk somewhere else? You are peddling in stereotypes and hyperbole. textroid seemingly has an axe to grind. And It's not even relevant.
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1491257199
False
0
dfsfdwm
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1493769366
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remy_porter
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And Ford is opening a robotics lab here too. They're hiring a lot of different positions.
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1491257221
False
0
dfsfeki
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t1_dfs9rer
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1493769375
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RiPont
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Yes. I actually take at least 2 weeks every year, too. It's not fictional, theoretical vacation hours. Now, my employer is a big company that isn't likely to make you fuck-you money on stock options. People chasing the potential of being fuck-you rich are easy to abuse.
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1491257267
False
0
dfsffx1
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t1_dfsdz6r
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1493769393
4
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pslayer89
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So you're saying Americans don't care about $$?
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1491257275
False
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dfsfg69
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1493769396
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One_More_Turn
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How is forbidding the import of certain types of labor anything but protectionism?
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1491257320
False
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dfsfhi5
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1493769414
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donthavearealaccount
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Fucking give me a break. Not everything is about holding down "brown folks." It sucks that we've allowed people like yourself to wall off certain topics as immune from actual discussion. There are 20x more H1-B's than TNs. That does not even include the people who used a H1-B to get a green card or citizenship, which is not possible with a TN. Maybe that has *something* to do with no one complaining about those?
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False
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dfsfj18
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t1_dfsec0k
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1493769434
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CharlottesWeb83
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Without state tax. Still pay federal.
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0
1491257372
False
0
dfsfj47
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1493769435
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loknarash
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I'm saying why the fuck are Americans competing with non-Americans? We don't need them--they need us.
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1491257405
False
0
dfsfk2s
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t1_dfsfg69
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1493769448
-1
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NetStrikeForce
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Got it. I'm used to American friends calling "vacations" what's "unpaid time off". The EU establishes a minimum of 20 days per year, but most countries pump that up to 28 or more (including bank holidays). These are "working days", so vacation for 9 days would actually spend 5 days from your pot (weekend+5 weekdays+weekend=9)
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1491257428
False
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dfsfksg
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1493769458
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Yare_Owns
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I wouldn't be surprised because I've considered other areas for tech work and done the research. The amount of work in those areas still pales in comparison to the West Coast. Orders of magnitude difference.
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1491257433
False
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dfsfkxo
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MaxPSU
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I think I am the only person who read this as sarcasm.
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False
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dfsflv9
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loup-vaillant
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Now I feel bad about arguing with you… hope your son is (or will be) well. For the record, the severed finger anecdote predates Obamacare. I suspect that's an important caveat. Should have mentioned it, sorry. > Has the US really cried enough that the world thinks we are a 3rd world country? The US is kind of an outlier. Last time I checked for instance, it was one of the most religious and fearful among industrialised countries. The rate of imprisonment doesn't look too good either —though I'm not sure I can give any lesson about your prison system, mine is pretty bad. For the record, my employer and I pay a similar amount for my own insurance. If I had children, it would cover them as well, at no additional cost. Plus, it's proportional to my salary (about 11% of what my employer spends on me). If I had higher pay, we would pay more. If I were on minimum wage, we'd pay much less. In both cases, the treatments I would get would be similar. Rich people may know the right surgeons, but *everyone* can enjoy decent (for now) health care. I don't know about how France deals with this disease, but even if it doesn't, we're talking about a rare disease here. What sucks about them is, it's not cost effective to deal with them seriously. Money may be "better" spent on cheaper, more common ailments —saving lives sometimes require psychopathically cold calculations. That said, the fact the US health care system deals with this kind of rare disease is a good sign. My model of it was probably too bleak. Time to brighten it a bit.
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1491257478
False
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dfsfm9h
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Sour_Badger
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We must be an anomaly then. I pay for 50 mega and get almost 250 megs down.
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False
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YEAH_ITSANALT
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Just wondering, how many years experience do you have? Also, if you don't mind me asking, where are you located? For reference I'm a good programmer (well, I think so) who's working on ~100k total comp with four years experience out of college in Northern VA / DC area. I'm just curious about the context of your 200k figure. Also, thank you for being a H-1B that has a really good grasp on the English language. I think my biggest gripe with H-1Bs is that their communication skills and English comprehension is a huuuuuge issue. So many poorly worded emails. So many misspelled variables. So many incomprehensible comments. I know it's not just H-1Bs that have this issue, but I've encountered it way more often with H-1Bs.
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dfsfo35
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> My employer pays nearly twice the money I receive on my bank account each month. So the Government takes half your salary before you get it, do they take another half or so directly from you at this point? Who are you working for?
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False
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dfsfom7
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based2
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14022424
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False
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dfsfpdh
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port53
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If the nearest grocery store is less than 30 minutes away by car, you're not rural :)
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dfsfpng
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myringotomy
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Australia is very expensive compared to the US especially since they more holidays days, have generous benefits and mandated four week vacations.
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dfsfqdo
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romerom
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sooooooo... U.S. citizen computer science majors stock just went up aye?
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dfsfqey
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RandomDamage
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It gets cold enough that you'll feel like you are in a Paul Bunyan story if you go outside, but it doesn't stay that cold very long. It gets hot enough that you'll expect to see Pecos Bill in the summer, but it doesn't stay that way very long. Seriously, I've seen -35F to 106F here, personally. That's not mucking about with "wind chill" or "heat factor", just straight by a shaded thermometer. Fortunately we have central air and heating.
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False
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JeletonSkelly
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This dude knows what's up. Fellow consultant here, but I experience it more in backlash than in price. Expensive American comes in trying to change (read: help) them, it's like some kind of war for their job because the whole place is staffed by H-1B. Any recommendations are relentlessly debated despite your experience or references to other clients. It's like if they realize the American is actually worth his rate then the company will ask why hire all these H-1Bs that write good code, but not the kind that the big boys need.
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dfsfslr
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MidnightDemon
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Companies will try to do TN because then they don't have to pay for the H1B lotto ticket.
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dfsfssy
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blackenswans
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You are not unemployed because of people with H-1 visas. You are unemployed because you are an awful human being.
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dfsftrm
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myringotomy
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Are you saying the American developers didn't train, work, and make sacrifices?
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dfsftuj
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ops-man
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On this I totally agree. Programmer or Pipe fitter, Black, White, Yellow or Red people - you must be American People. However, only in America. American corporations with foreign offices should follow the law of their respective countries
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dfsfuxx
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dungone
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USCIS is right on the money, except that it won't really mean much until our industry gets an professional licensing body.
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False
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dfsfvpf
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shizzy0
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For everyone applauding this because it decreases competition, I'd ask you this: would you rather compete with someone that has to pay the same cost of living as you, or someone who has to pay a far smaller cost of living?
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lifecantgetyouhigh
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Do you have to give up your TN to apply for the H1B? I recognize TN makes it easier and I'm fine with that, but if I did want to pursue staying in America, what would the process be? Do you have any links?
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dfsfw6j
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_ak
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Any kind of proper training, including vocational training, still takes years. So your proposed mechanism makes no sense. It may drive salaries up, but it will also leave lots of positions unfilled, and hold back overall productivity of the whole industry, for several years.
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dfsfww0
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FloatYerBoat
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It totally depends on the heat of the day. Most lakes are small enough that they heat up pretty quick. The lakes are the warmest at sundown. Lake Superior however...
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dfsfx34
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myringotomy
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You are making 300k as a programmer?
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1493769629
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tetroxid
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> the world thinks we are a 3rd world country You are a first, second and third world country all wrapped up into one. Some people rich beyond imagination others so poor they go hungry.
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dfsfxh3
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gropingforelmo
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Have you ever had to work until the wee hours of the morning Saturday because a deployment went wrong? I have, and I'll fight tooth and nail for Tuesday deployments.
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dfsfy01
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ReverendEarthwormJim
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The Discount DBA that works for half my old salary is an Infrastructure Analyst, not a programmer.
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dfsfynw
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sudormrf
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My old company would not, under any circumstances, sponsor a H1B candidate.
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dfsfyos
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sstewartgallus
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Most developers deserve to be thrown into a lake of fire.
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dfsfyvp
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tetroxid
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Literally communism amirite?
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nigborg
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Hey, you know all of those people who are like "we aren't xenophobic we just don't want the bad ones islam is incompatible with western culture yadda yadda"? Your intellectually barren comment is exactly the kind of bullshit that allows people on the "left" to group the reasonable folk who have the above ideology with [potentially racist] xenophobes like you. We offer plenty of training for locals in the form of financial aid for college tuition. We charge basically double to people who come here to receive our training and we don't give them any financial assistance. Turns out, when you're raised in nice comfy America, you're way more likely to have an idea of the "college experience" that involves "training" your liver into accepting a life of alcoholism while you grumble about all the immigrants taking your jobs. And there are way too many brogrammers who love building "cross-platform compatibility" and "Flexible UI's with low overhead" and talking a big game but can't actually compete with the real talent that immigrates, works, pays taxes, and spends money here in the US. If you're a real programmer then you know what I'm talking about. You probably have to cover for those assholes because they're too braindead to comprehend a challenging problem (and probably right click and select "copy" then right click and select "paste"). The immigrants, however, took college seriously and spent several hours every day practicing and trying to understand the subtle nuances involved in Computer Science in the hopes that they could earn a better life in a Country that isn't full of corruption, bribery, and other useless shit. **tl;dr** "Locals" already have a huge leg up in that they were born and raised in the greatest country in the world. If Locals still can't compete with that insane privilege, they don't deserve it. Oh also your racist.
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gott_modus
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Nope. But it will give us a lot more to work with!
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dfsg0xr
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TakeFourSeconds
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I did both and I don't really see a difference. The CS major taught me more math and algorithms, the bootcamp taught me more skills applicable to actually working in the industry.
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dfsg2c1
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O_oo_O
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Better that salary go to an American worker.
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Suppafly
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Has it though, when you figure in cost of living and benefits and such?
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BillyONeal
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Ours looks like this: https://gist.github.com/BillyONeal/2e2d1fc2448d0027bae721d39fa961bd
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False
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dfsg41l
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myringotomy
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He should throw Chrystal in there too.
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jl2l
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States without incomes taxes is a huge deal your talking about 15% of your income.
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dfsg59y
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snickerbockers
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Software Engineering isn't real Engineering.
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1493769735
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enroxorz
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Yeah but you have to weigh a livable wage with access to jobs that barely make it worthwhile. I get paid 100kish and my wife and I have been able to live like mini royalty. And I'm not even a high level engineer. Just a mid level SDET. Rethink it. The lack of work is trivial. Dev unemployment rates are negligible.
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jl2l
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There a plateau for doing this.
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blackenswans
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Do you know that performance is not the only metric?
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sstewartgallus
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An interesting way to fix the problem is to do: is_valid = True for (pass_char, auth_char) in zip(my_hash(user_hash, salt), my_hash(auth_hash, salt)): if pass_char != auth_char: is_valid = False return is_valid Personally, I think that relying on programmers to code constant time algorithms is fundamentally flawed. Most programming languages and processors provide absolutely no timing guarantees. IMO one should construct algorithms such that it is cryptographically impossible to leak information. Techniques like homomorphic encryption are far too immature though.
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flukus
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Sounds like​ it will. The visa wasn't intended to allow fresh graduates.
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grajek
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There is never an issue with the "right way." I'm talking about the abuse of the H1B, like Disney and other high profile companies canning senior programmers and engineers for no other reason than to hire a cheaper, less competent replacement. H1B is only for companies to use when they *can't find a suitable American worker for a position.* That's not what Disney did. They screwed over workers for no reason other than greed.
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CharlottesWeb83
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This is so true. Depending who you ask things couldn't be better. They are speaking for themselves.
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SecretlyAMosinNagant
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We get don't have any national holidays that we have to get off, but most places get Christmas, New Years, Independence day, Thanks giving, plus a few others if you are lucky.
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What on earth?? 60 hour weeks maybe during crunch time.
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Tidher
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Cost of living is actually less over here for my lifestyle. Pretty much the only downside is less paid-time-off, and I'll be up to 25 days next year which is plenty. So yes.
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dfsgckn
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HugoLoft
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Already happening. The company I work for contracts chop shops in India to do the work. We just manage them and it is a nightmare.
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jmking
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It's simple supply and demand. You can't just keep hiring fresh grads if there is no one to mentor them and help them grow into intermediate and senior level engineers. It's frustrating to talk about the problems with H-1B because people think that the only people who are being brought in are under-paid "sweat shop labour" and that isn't true. In fact, if fresh grads want more opportunity, they should be rooting for the US to import as much top talent as possible so companies can keep growing engineering teams. If you look at graduation rates over the past 10 years in Computer Science and Software Engineering. I [found these charts](http://www.geekwire.com/2014/analysis-examining-computer-science-education-explosion/) that show applications and degrees issued up until 2014: https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/uwchart.png and https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/csedegrees1.png There was a surge in the early 2000s, and then the first bubble burst causing the market to crash. It recovered and then the 2008 recession hit. That said - if you even out that line, it's still a steady trending up. If I had data from 2014-2017, I'm pretty sure there'd be another spike. We're just out-pacing general industry growth. Also, comparatively speaking, there isn't anywhere near as much available talent with 5-10 years experience. Another 10 years and we might find an over-saturation of senior talent, and renewed demand for junior engineers depending on how the market continues to grow.
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wrosecrans
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Those sound like good jobs not to take. Basically, two kinds of companies will go for remote workers. One kind wants a specialist that may not be available locally, so they try to hire the best person for the job regardless of where they are located. The other kind seeks out remote workers because they think they can get the work done cheaper that way. The first kind generally has no reason to beat you up on price because they alternative candidates will cost them just as much, and they are competing with other companies that pay well to attract the talent. The second kind of company sounds shitty to work for, and probably doesn't highly value the work that you do.
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wuutguy
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Where are you?
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