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null | darkstarone | null | I imagine this is just going to increase the number of companies in the US willing to allow workers 100% remote. That way they still get the human capital, without having to worry about the visa issue.
That's how it's worked for me at least, I work for a company in Chicago from New Zealand. | null | 0 | 1491250958 | False | 0 | dfs9xhd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493766737 | 50 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | Your statistics are bogus. There's no way to know definitively, what the actual unemployment rate is, and certainly no way to find out the employment rate of programmers specifically. In fact, most employment statistics will drop people from the statistics if they haven't had a job within the last year or so.
Your comments are just further fueled with assumptions, and I suggest you to learn a thing or two about humility. Just because someone is having a really difficult time finding a job doesn't mean that they can't pass a fizzbuzz test. I can write an operating system / virtual machine from scratch. That's well beyond fizzbuzz. I can also write everything from services, shells and other systems software up to GUI software and full stack development from web servers to front-end JS.
Regardless, none of that experience has helped me get an entry level job in programming yet. | null | 0 | 1491251020 | 1491251779 | 0 | dfs9zfl | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9dof | null | 1493766764 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Gdott | null | Does trump deserve any credit? | null | 0 | 1491251044 | False | 0 | dfsa070 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493766774 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Browsing_From_Work | null | This CodeGolf "cops and robbers" question was a real eye opener for me: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/51068/1419
Simply put: you try to build as secure and short a hash as possible, everybody else tries to break them by finding colliding messages.
The "robbers" thread is absolutely astounding: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/51069/1419
Moral of the story: when it comes to security, you have to be correct 100% of the time but the attackers only have to be correct once. Just stick to what's provably correct, and if you don't know, *ask*. | null | 0 | 1491251067 | False | 0 | dfsa0zh | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfr9c8y | null | 1493766784 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | libcg | null | There are so few ways to generate NaNs with posit because of how rounding works that it's not worth having silent NaNs at all :) | null | 0 | 1491251086 | False | 0 | dfsa1l8 | t3_62hu4c | null | null | t1_dfohyu0 | null | 1493766793 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | possessed_flea | null | I think its the only way to throw a spanner in the works for these outsourcing companies where everyone knows its less about 'best and brightest' and most able being able to make a quick buck.
You still have time to submit. ( entries close day after tomorrow I believe. ), so if you are litrally a borderline case then you have options, _BUT_ if you are a consulting firm like infosys ( who is submitting 250,000 visa applications when everyone only has 80,000 positions to share. ) then you are not going to have time to do very much with this.
If you read bulletin from USCIS then it makes it pretty clear that they are simply making petition applicants 'qualify' that the position they are hiring for is actually a specialty occupation. ( from 2000 onward the position of USCIS was that nobody without a 4 year degree was capable of doing a job which had 'programmer' or 'developer' in the title. )
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null | tsbicca | null | Yes but you can buy accreditation. That's what the for profit schools did. Find struggling small accredited institution, buy them and their accreditation and poof you're accredited. This is what the major for-profit players did. | null | 0 | 1491251151 | False | 0 | dfsa3nj | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3rre | null | 1493766820 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | BenjiSponge | null | You should put it in the README | null | 0 | 1491251152 | False | 0 | dfsa3pk | t3_636nj2 | null | null | t1_dfs9cvn | null | 1493766821 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sintos-compa | null | i guess i got in when the going was good. | null | 0 | 1491251160 | False | 0 | dfsa3yr | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493766824 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | gnutrino | null | If you're doing it right they don't realize anything is amiss until they try running it. | null | 0 | 1491251172 | False | 0 | dfsa4du | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfs2e3h | null | 1493766831 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 1 | 1491251175 | False | 0 | dfsa4hs | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8b3c | null | 1493766832 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lollaser | null | you could also try to run https://gogs.io/. Should also perform quite nicely on VPS servers with low resources ;)
but anyway, nice gesture. | null | 0 | 1491251244 | False | 0 | dfsa6ru | t3_639cak | null | null | t3_639cak | null | 1493766861 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jackmott2 | null | man its tempting sometimes.
"if I just treat this as a number I'm not gonna have to braaaaanch!!!!!"
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null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491251267 | False | 0 | dfsa7i8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7k9y | null | 1493766872 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Stan9965 | null | > if the Indian candidates are that bad, why hire them to begin with?
They are very loyal to the company, will work long hours, will not mind the abuse and be very obedient in general.
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null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491251311 | False | 0 | dfsa8xf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8x5u | null | 1493766890 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | FloatYerBoat | null | It's cold for about three months of the year, and yes you can swim in the lake starting late May to about mid September. | null | 0 | 1491251312 | False | 0 | dfsa8yq | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8x5u | null | 1493766891 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | uber_neutrino | null | Programmers in Toronto only make 70k? Whoa.
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null | GhostBond | null | Temperature-wise, it gets very cold in the winter. Most of the winter is like 20's (F), with a super cold week or two of highs in the single digits (like 5F).
Socially, it's also very passive aggressive and cold. Making new friends is very difficult unless they're also from another location.
Source: Have lived in Minnesota my whole life, am actively looking for work somewhere warmer - both temperature-wise, and warmer socially. | null | 0 | 1491251351 | False | 0 | dfsaac4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8x5u | null | 1493766909 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mirhagk | null | Can't be solved but can be encouraged or discouraged by libraries.
For instance old school PHP encouraged a lot of bad practices with regards to SQL injection and hashing. | null | 0 | 1491251353 | False | 0 | dfsaaev | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfroqi4 | null | 1493766911 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | poco | null | Is there such a think as a no-collar job? | null | 0 | 1491251355 | False | 0 | dfsaagl | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4uii | null | 1493766911 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | j5o2AcBKujCSvGKnfH87 | null | What comp sci graduate capable of fizzbuzz is unemployed right now? We're begging for capable applicants | null | 0 | 1491251380 | False | 0 | dfsaba7 | t3_637seo | null | null | t1_dfs82p8 | null | 1493766922 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | throwaway2arguewith | null | And this is why programmers in the US are paid more than Europe..... | null | 0 | 1491251395 | False | 0 | dfsabr8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8esg | null | 1493766928 | 30 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Stan9965 | null | Question is: Why are you so desperate to go to U.S. in the first place? | null | 0 | 1491251400 | False | 0 | dfsabwi | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8giw | null | 1493766930 | -10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tetroxid | null | I apologise. I assumed you were from the USA. | null | 0 | 1491251423 | False | 0 | dfsacm2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9t1l | null | 1493766939 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | JackSpyder | null | That protection would also come along with a certain level of accreditation on the course that must be upheld to qualify.
Just like say, civil engineering. | null | 0 | 1491251433 | False | 0 | dfsacyl | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs64c7 | null | 1493766945 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hillgod | null | I dont work anywhere near 60 hours (more like 40-50, pretty avg for salaried in America), I never have to work on weekends and am certainly not going to the office on weekends, and have an unlimited vacation policy.
What you're talking about sounds like the hellscape I worked at colloquially known as IBM. | null | 0 | 1491251441 | False | 0 | dfsad9i | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5xxt | null | 1493766949 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pengtuzi | null | Sweden checking in, similar conditions here.
Also my salary puts me in top 5% of national income stats with two years in the business and that's nothing unusual. | null | 0 | 1491251444 | False | 0 | dfsaddj | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8esg | null | 1493766950 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Browsing_From_Work | null | Just because issues get fixed doesn't mean every vulnerable copy of the code gets updated. Adoption takes time even for major security fixes. | null | 0 | 1491251467 | False | 0 | dfsae2b | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfrmzyk | null | 1493766959 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TheCid | null | When people talk about the H-1B program, we're talking about its aggregate impact as a whole. Obviously this impacts you as an individual given your position, and you may very well be one of the people who does it "right" (for whatever value of "right"), but that doesn't mean the aggregate impact isn't to cut wages and hurt entry-level folks. | null | 0 | 1491251475 | False | 0 | dfsaedy | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6mr0 | null | 1493766963 | 25 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 08livion | null | Ive done a lot of electronics, electromagnetics, some computer hardware design and personally find ml/deep learning algorithms more intellectually challenging. I also went to law school for a year right after undergrad and stopped because it was god awful boring, not because it was a challenge. I think you have a warped perspective and are not programming anything challenging so you don't consider the full breadth of software roles. Anybody programming machine learning algorithms from scratch is going to need all that math and more. | null | 0 | 1491251494 | 1491252209 | 0 | dfsaevx | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9nfd | null | 1493766970 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | SubScriptZero | null | I am just coming to end of my OPT year, and I did have a company willing to file my H1b, but then with the moves Trump has been making they sadly backed out.
Personally, I am most likely going to go back home (UK) get 2 or so more years of experience in tech, then I'll re-enter the H1b fray after much of this has been sorted out.
However, I did not goto a top school, so on-campus recruitment was not really an option for me.
These rule changes are making it tough for fresh foreign Grads to get onto the H1b train. I think it will have an impact on the number of F1 visas filed, as there will no longer be a direct path to naturalisation in the US. | null | 0 | 1491251509 | False | 0 | dfsaffd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs87dp | null | 1493766978 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | RollerRagerMD | null | God I'd love to move to Switzerland | null | 0 | 1491251542 | False | 0 | dfsagds | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8esg | null | 1493766990 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | oldneckbeard | null | Again, I think the assumption here is flawed. It's not that there's no companies taking advantage of it, sure. But the idea that there are qualified americans sitting around jobless in this field is laughable. There is so much pent-up demand. Nearly every tech company has aggressive recruiters. They have signing bonuses, stock options, and more. Just because there's some guy who was a REALLY GOOD webmaster in the late 90s who still thinks his job is worth $120k/yr, doesn't make it so, and it doesn't mean immigrants are suppressing his wages. It means he fell behind and is no longer employable. He's the coal miner of our industry. In software development, you pretty much change careers at least once every 4-5 years. The field changes so rapidly that if you're not constantly learning, you're becoming obsolete.
There really is a lack of talent to fill all the roles. If people here genuinely think that the Indians and Chinese are going home and their own wages are going to skyrocket, they're sadly mistaken. There were a bunch of knock-on benefits of having them live in the USA (paying taxes, renting or owning homes, cars, shopping, spending money, etc) that's beyond just salary numbers. And if/when they get shipped off, the economics are going to change. Companies will be (re)evaluating offshore models if they continue to have gaps in talent. They're not just going to start paying people 100k/yr for their excellent facebook and reddit posting skills. | null | 0 | 1491251548 | False | 0 | dfsagkw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8h21 | null | 1493766993 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AlcherBlack | null | Stable?... The demand for IT specialists is insatiable. The shortfall of skilled employees is literally millions. You'd have to be actively sabotaging the company to be fired in most places. | null | 0 | 1491251557 | False | 0 | dfsagx3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs792o | null | 1493766998 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | True, in a location with both. A reduction in income tax would be preferable since property tax is deductible though in my case. | null | 0 | 1491251558 | False | 0 | dfsagy4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9ofr | null | 1493766998 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tetroxid | null | Don't confuse them, they probably don't know Sweden and Switzerland are different countries.. | null | 1 | 1491251593 | 1491254091 | 0 | dfsai1h | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsaddj | null | 1493767013 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jk147 | null | Consider that they fired most of the developers here and replaced them with H1B, I would say the latter. | null | 0 | 1491251628 | False | 0 | dfsaj5n | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs998l | null | 1493767028 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recurrence | null | Microsoft claims 48,379 total tech positions worldwide. 45K in Puget Sound includes all other roles. | null | 0 | 1491251640 | False | 0 | dfsajjr | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9jyb | null | 1493767033 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Stan9965 | null | I don't get why anyone other than companies would be angry. | null | 0 | 1491251670 | False | 0 | dfsakg3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493767045 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | slightlyintoout | null | I am... sort of... I'm an Aussie, but I live/work in the US. I'm actually an employer, but I employ more people outside of the US than inside.
The US employment system is a mess. | null | 0 | 1491251678 | False | 0 | dfsakqu | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsacm2 | null | 1493767050 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | IgnisDomini | null | >Economics dictates that supply and demand still hold. A high supply of cheap immigrant labor will depress wages, because demand is inelastic in the short- to medium-term.
I see you think Economics 101 taught you everything you need to know about the economy. It's never as simple as just "supply and demand" - especially since immigrants are, y'know, _people_ and generate demand themselves.
>Most studies I've seen talk about long-term economic effects that are usually good because of stronger economic growth. But for the native employees it's everything but unambiguous.
Short term negative effects can follow increases in immigration rates, but if we refused every option with short-term negative effects on employment, then, well, _this sub wouldn't exist_ - what are computers if not a labor-saving measure? I'm sure all those people who made a living doing other people's math by hand would have liked to keep their jobs.
The answer is a stronger safety net to help people who are temporarily hurt by such things, not just saying no to anything disruptive out of fear of short-term negatives. | null | 0 | 1491251679 | False | 0 | dfsaks5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9ey2 | null | 1493767050 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | unbannable02 | null | If this is fascism then I guess I'm a fascist now 'cuz I like this, I like it a lot. | null | 0 | 1491251686 | False | 0 | dfsal14 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7sm7 | null | 1493767053 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Browsing_From_Work | null | ... and this is exactly why PHP added [password_hash](https://secure.php.net/manual/en/function.password-hash.php) and [password_verify](https://secure.php.net/manual/en/function.password-verify.php). | null | 0 | 1491251689 | False | 0 | dfsal3j | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfrmakz | null | 1493767054 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tetroxid | null | And if you calculate salary per hour worked and factor in all the private insurances which are included in Europe, it's about the same. But with lower quality of life. | null | 0 | 1491251712 | False | 0 | dfsalu0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsabr8 | null | 1493767064 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CunningRunt | null | I agree that it is a bit of an oversimplification, but that has been my experience for the last 14 years. Myopic management who see nothing but dollar signs and do not think ahead of the long-term affects of code defects, rework, and severe communication issues that end up costing a *lot* more. | null | 0 | 1491251722 | False | 0 | dfsam51 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6cfz | null | 1493767068 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tetroxid | null | It's hard if you're from outside the EU. | null | 0 | 1491251749 | False | 0 | dfsamzs | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsagds | null | 1493767080 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | Stable 100% telecommuting is what I meant. I work remotely currently, but my employer still prefers me to be located regionally in case they want me to come in on occasion. I've been hesitant to leave since it's been stable for a long time and I prefer working remotely. | null | 0 | 1491251759 | False | 0 | dfsanb9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsagx3 | null | 1493767084 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tavianator | null | > ??!
I see what you did there | null | 0 | 1491251771 | False | 0 | dfsanpv | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfrpwr4 | null | 1493767089 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nyrol | null | The interrogation is more for the first entry. On a TN, i've never been asked for more than who my employer is. The first entry I had about an hour of questions. When I moved to the states, I drove across the border with my car full of stuff, and my rabbit in the front seat on my wife's lap. The CBP officer asked if I had papers for the rabbit, and I told him "No I don't need any papers", and he said "Cool. Enjoy!". I am caucasian, however, so that may have helped the whole process unfortunately. | null | 0 | 1491251811 | False | 0 | dfsap05 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7oxi | null | 1493767106 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | combinatorylogic | null | > machine learning/deep learning algorithms more intellectually challenging.
And how many people are supposed to code machine learning algorithms or implement actual deep learning engines (vs. just writing `import pandas` or `import tensorflow` mindlessly)? I doubt this world needs more than a thousand of engineers working on this kind of shit.
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null | rasjani | null | So you can't see the mathematical patterns of compositions, notes as numbers and different scales as statistics or probabilities of what might go well together. Pure sine wave of 440hz as building block for ones imagination with sweet dose of algorithms, filters and what not.
if you can't see that even the most weirdest pieces of free jazz or industrial metal has rules that can be expressed as a series Of numbers and In the same time say that bunch of programmers cant produce a music like a real musician. Well you sir, you are full of shit or just a sorry troll. Either way, you are wrong :)
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null | libcg | null | Dev here. I was wondering why the project was getting so many stars. Thanks for linking all of these, I hope some people will get interested and start contributing. Keep in mind that it is still very early work. Implementating that stuff is pretty hard by myself. | null | 0 | 1491251896 | 1491252080 | 0 | dfsarqx | t3_62hu4c | null | null | t1_dfmnws5 | null | 1493767143 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CherryStripes | null | I was planning on moving to Seattle for IT work so you're not wrong one bit. | null | 0 | 1491251962 | False | 0 | dfsatud | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs012v | null | 1493767171 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OK6502 | null | From what I hear Canada is looking like a good target. The cultures are similar, no time zone differences to account for other than east coast west coast stuff and the salaries are lower. This won't really help tech workers in the US, it'll likely cost them long term. | null | 0 | 1491251990 | False | 0 | dfsauq8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxd8n | null | 1493767183 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nyrol | null | Minimum salary for an exempt H-1B employee is 60k. Under 60k, it is non-exempt, which means they can still be employed under H-1B, but they have a burden of proof to show that no American could fill that role, and that it is absolutely needed for that wage. | null | 0 | 1491252010 | False | 0 | dfsavd5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9ftt | null | 1493767191 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | standard_revolution | null | I never wanted to ignore politics. I am politically active myself, but I think that certain discussion should be kept free from politics even if it is just for the sake of sanity. Following the current political development is quite draining for me and when I visit this subreddit, I do it with the hope to not hear anything about Trump.
But this is just my opinion. The majority seems to be in favour of at least some political discussion and I have to agree that a topic like H-1B visas is quite loaded and political comments are appropriate in this context.
I'm sorry for overreacting. | null | 0 | 1491252039 | False | 0 | dfsawa4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7wdd | null | 1493767203 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sparr | null | ok, sure, but that's correlation, not a causative link. A naive application on Monday would be just as bad as a naive application on Friday, and if I have a professionally prepared application that I don't submit until Friday it doesn't get penalized.
right? | null | 0 | 1491252053 | False | 0 | dfsawp9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7kho | null | 1493767210 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sparr | null | As I understand it, the quota for awarded visas comes from a lottery pulled later in the year. Is there also a quota for the number of applications? | null | 0 | 1491252087 | False | 0 | dfsaxui | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6r0j | null | 1493767224 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DouglasCrt | null | Ah that's a real "I have a friend who told me.... blah blah" story.
How would someone get a job earning top dollar in a high cost of living area and send more than half their salary abroad and still manage to live?
I say this as someone who originally came to the US on a H1-B. **ALL** my take-home pay after tax stays in the U.S. Even on a good wage now, the cost of living in my area means I'd have very little to send outside the country even if I wanted to.
Just saying, since there's a lot of information and assumptions being thrown around this thread which is pretty inaccurate and insulting. | null | 0 | 1491252114 | False | 0 | dfsayoo | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs78ab | null | 1493767236 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dexx4d | null | Lost my job in Dec, still nothing new. Expect to be competing with 1000 other applicants for one position. | null | 0 | 1491252144 | False | 0 | dfsazo1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs792o | null | 1493767249 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | You did these things for an opportunity that is being denied to the citizens of this country. The question isn't whether you earned it, it's whether the citizens here should be denied that opportunity in favor of someone who companies feel that can hire for less. The consultant companies the majority of h1b workers are employed by experience a high turnover rate because of this as well. | null | 0 | 1491252149 | False | 0 | dfsazty | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6mr0 | null | 1493767251 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | oh-just-another-guy | null | Each year, 85K H1 Visas are issued (that's the max). So if 57-67K new GC apps are filed annually, that's a fairly large percentage each year.
Assuming 60K GCs each year, 70% are attempting to naturalize. | null | 0 | 1491252165 | False | 0 | dfsb0bz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsa4hs | null | 1493767259 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | therealgaxbo | null | I realise it's not the point of the article, but isn't that test for associativity a bit off? Wouldn't a better test be:
sum(sum(a, b), c) == sum(a, sum(b, c))
? | null | 0 | 1491252167 | False | 0 | dfsb0et | t3_6367uv | null | null | t3_6367uv | null | 1493767259 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | chongamonga | null | From the Silicon Valley here:
Fucking about time. The tech companies have been complaining "not enough talent and skill" when they're passing up 3.5-4.0 highly skilled US applicants (I came out with a patent, 3-5 years legitimate hands-on experience with the machines of my major, and unquestionably relevant experience)
I wasn't asking for gold, just a job.
200 applications later and 0 interviews and I understood the worst parts of our job application system.
I worked fucking hard: 2+ jobs to pay for college while taking 5-6 classes and barely maintaining a 3.7 in undergraduate and 3.72 in my grad programs.
I was the top, and no one would take me.
I'm also very extroverted, a huge A+ team player (and leader).
Then hearing that companies like IBM were slashing thousands of jobs to apply for thousands of H1B visas made me so goddamn sad.
HP and HP research decided to shut their doors instead of figure out how to leverage local talent...
I'm not asking for a handout, I give an ROI of more than 2x my worth.
Which is why I threw in the towel and stopped wasting my time trying to work for those companies.
Now I'm paid 95k, I get to pick my own vacations (currently on one), and I won't waste another second on an applicant tracking system intentionally biased against locals.
Oh, by the way, fuck Apple. Apple posts positions for BS majors, then won't take a MS which dropped out of a PhD program even though I have the 3-5 years experience (they wanted 3 years on FTIR, TGA, I have 3 and 5 years, respectively) because they were, and I quote the recruiter verbatim: "looking for a PhD for a BS posting"
I absolutely and without a question understand looking for the best talent. I've hired for my own companies. But when you deliberately overlook really good local talent and blame the area for not having good enough people: fuck you. | null | 1 | 1491252188 | False | 0 | dfsb124 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493767268 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | possessed_flea | null | Bonus points since this is a USCIS internal memo, and CBP reports up to DHS and not USCIS. I think that it'll go like this instead:
— Hi. I have my approval notice here, it says that I'm allowed to work for this company in the US.
— I'm the border official and I make the final call. What's your job?
— I'm a Senior Software Architect, with a PHD in Information Systems..
— A programmer? We don't let you guys in anymore, you dont need a degree to be a programmer.
— Im not a programmer, I havn't written code in over 30 years.
— But someone on reddit told me that a programmer was the same as a software engineer or architect!, Enjoy your trip home.
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null | Stormen81 | null | Same here. Norway. | null | 0 | 1491252272 | False | 0 | dfsb3r6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8esg | null | 1493767304 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ReefOctopus | null | This was in 2012 if that makes a difference. I'm 100% sure of this, and they didn't seem to have trouble with it being non-exempt. | null | 0 | 1491252317 | False | 0 | dfsb578 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsavd5 | null | 1493767323 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | That's kind of been my assumption. While I could earn more, I work remotely currently and do not want to relocate, so stability is nice and I always gathered somewhat rare these days. | null | 0 | 1491252321 | False | 0 | dfsb5b4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsazo1 | null | 1493767324 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pipocaQuemada | null | >> And without Infosys, your Iowa-based farming company won't have technical support anymore, because you don't have talent willing to come there, nor the salary level to pay them to.
> Why is it so important that they get labor that they can't afford market rates for, but not important that I get a Ferrari that I can't afford market value for?
Well, economists generally agree that free trade between areas makes society better off in general. They can afford market rate in the presence of free trade, but can't afford it without it.
In the other direction, I can easily afford fresh fruits and vegetables in the winter, because of free trade. If we didn't have free trade between states, then fruits and vegetables in the winter would have to be grown in greenhouses in northern states and would be far more expensive. This, obviously, would be very good for local farmers, who don't make much money in winter from frozen snow-covered fields. You might ask "why is it important people get cheap bananas they couldn't afford the locally-produced market rate for, but not important that I get a Ferrari?" | null | 1 | 1491252333 | False | 0 | dfsb5ov | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs1u20 | null | 1493767329 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AlcherBlack | null | From personal experience - immigration lawyers can't really help with this. Basically, it's almost impossible to get hired to the US directly. They will park you in another country (any country they have an office in, really. AFAIK only the US has this mind-boggling visa system where highly educated candidates have to compete in the H1B lottery and people with 6 years of US education get kicked out) for a year, and then transfer you to the US once you qualify for L-1 visa. That's the visa requirement and not something related to paperwork (although that too, takes time).
Naturally, it's super cumbersome and expensive, so only the really big companies with international offices can afford to do this. When I got an offer, we tried to explore the O-1 route, but the requirements are too high for your average Google/Amazon/MS engineer. | null | 0 | 1491252390 | 1491295669 | 0 | dfsb7hv | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5i06 | null | 1493767354 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rabuf | null | Cheap(er) housing, but not necessarily minimal commute (NB: been 7 years since I lived there, but traveled to visit friends frequently). Cost of living is very affordable, and the commute wasn't bad, but was around 30 minutes each way, unless I got off work at the wrong time and it was 30 minutes to work, and 60 minutes home (I worked a lot of OT then, so this was infrequent, I usually left well after rush hour). | null | 0 | 1491252402 | False | 0 | dfsb7uk | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7dmt | null | 1493767359 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Victawr | null | Don't sleep on Canada | null | 0 | 1491252403 | False | 0 | dfsb7wf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs012v | null | 1493767360 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eric22vhs | null | I agree. If you're not gunning to be an elite level programmer at a major company, then sometimes it's to get away from the high competition zones. | null | 0 | 1491252412 | False | 0 | dfsb85n | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs54ku | null | 1493767363 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | GhostBond | null | I live in the midwest in minnesota, a few years ago rent started shooting up. It's $900 for a crappy 1 bedroom apartment that's not quite in the ghetto but not in a great neighborhood either. From there it's a scale up to around $1,500 for a really nice apartment. (Top end luxury goes up endlessly from there of course).
I mean I'm not paying $3,000 like I would if I lived in New York or something, but it's not cheap here either. Average salary for an experienced developer seems to be around $100,000. | null | 0 | 1491252436 | False | 0 | dfsb8w6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7vvd | null | 1493767373 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | welchyy | null | Software salaries are far higher than anywhere else in the world? | null | 0 | 1491252443 | False | 0 | dfsb931 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsabwi | null | 1493767375 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | WittyOriginalName | null | Stability isn't a problem when you can get another job in 2 weeks. | null | 0 | 1491252458 | False | 0 | dfsb9k2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs792o | null | 1493767382 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | LTS1287 | null | Protectionism is never good | null | 1 | 1491252461 | False | 0 | dfsb9nt | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493767384 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | deus_lemmus | null | One moment... while I think about where I work.
Buwahahahaha hah ha hahahahah hahahah hah ahahhhahah! | null | 1 | 1491252462 | False | 0 | dfsb9ok | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493767384 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 08livion | null | Lol man nobody gets hired to program deep nets in tensorflow if they haven't already proven they know what's going on behind the scenes. Also have you tried "import tensorflow" and then actually accomplished anything with it?
You're very wrong about your last point by the way. | null | 0 | 1491252468 | False | 0 | dfsb9wf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsapv8 | null | 1493767387 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nyrol | null | We hire people from all the around the world, and you'd be surprised how many people who just graduated struggle with reorganizing an array, or traversing a matrix. We don't try to hire specifically from other countries, but we don't limit ourselves to the US, because these fresh college grads from schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and the like often don't qualify for our entry level positions. There are tonnes of programmers available, but we are able to raise the bar because we want to hire the best in the world. We hold potential H-1B employees to the same regard, and often pay them more than the average American at the company for the same position. We do hire Americans, but the overwhelming majority of the applicants are unqualified for even entry level roles. | null | 0 | 1491252486 | False | 0 | dfsbah7 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9zfl | null | 1493767394 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | I graduated in information technology, not computer science. I've since then gone on to master all the arts related to programming from a systems/Linux software perspective, as that's what I do. I'm also involved in the Redox OS project -- specifically as the maintainer of the Ion shell. | null | 0 | 1491252497 | False | 0 | dfsbau0 | t3_637seo | null | null | t1_dfsaba7 | null | 1493767399 | -9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lindymad | null | > A lot of companies exploit the fact that people from other countries will work for less. This has a net effect of lower wages for all software developers. You can see why this might not make some people happy.
Don't the companies have to pay H1B employees market equivalent wages (set by the Department of Labor I think?), thus nullifying this point? | null | 0 | 1491252588 | False | 0 | dfsbdkw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6p1u | null | 1493767435 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | PstScrpt | null | After all that, you shouldn't be an H1B. Why would we want to send you back to the country you came from? After a couple of years, it should at least be an automatic green card. | null | 0 | 1491252624 | False | 0 | dfsbeqw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6mr0 | null | 1493767450 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | j5o2AcBKujCSvGKnfH87 | null | if you can't get a job, it's not because of H-1Bs | null | 0 | 1491252668 | False | 0 | dfsbg47 | t3_637seo | null | null | t1_dfsbau0 | null | 1493767469 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | combinatorylogic | null | > Also have you tried "import tensorflow" and then actually accomplished anything with it?
Yes, of course, and I know no shit about backpropagation and all that crap. | null | 0 | 1491252677 | False | 0 | dfsbgdk | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsb9wf | null | 1493767473 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Thanks-For_The-Gold | null | In Canada at least you aren't allowed to call yourself an engineer unless you hold the Professional Engineer title, which requires a bachelors of engineering and 4 years of progressive engineering experience (with work logs reviewed and tests). | null | 0 | 1491252684 | False | 0 | dfsbgm0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs1ycu | null | 1493767476 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fevieiraleite | null | I'm already in the U.S. Came here with a scholarship playing tennis and studied 4 years in an university. If your question is why I wanted to come, it's because software engineering here pays way more than Brazil, and I wanted to become proficient in English.
Anyways here is a serious answer to a douchey question :) | null | 0 | 1491252703 | False | 0 | dfsbh86 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsabwi | null | 1493767485 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | PalaceOfLove706 | null | Thank you so much for the reply! Security aside, somehow in my whole career as a developer, I didn't know cops and robbers existed on Stack. What have I been doing with my life? Haha. This looks like absolute fun to pass some time. | null | 0 | 1491252770 | False | 0 | dfsbjce | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfsa0zh | null | 1493767512 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Superpickle18 | null | As a point of references, everyone I know here doesn't even scrap the 50k mark. | null | 0 | 1491252778 | False | 0 | dfsbjlz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs9c1a | null | 1493767515 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dungone | null | You're losing me here. You're saying that by ending H1-B's will hurt your career prospects in the US? I'm not sure why the average programmer would be against rising wages and more jobs in countries with even better labor protections. It might hurt you, but it won't hurt the average guy who is as willing to relocate as you are.
And by the way, living out of a suitcase until your 40's doesn't sound appealing, either. You're obviously making some tradeoffs for your career. | null | 0 | 1491252780 | 1491254148 | 0 | dfsbjnx | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8nel | null | 1493767516 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jmking | null | > If you don't believe me that times are hard for fresh grads in the US, go read some of the posts on /r/cscareerquestions. It's like a different world for people who don't have a few years' experience.
I don't disagree that things are tougher for new grads in the US right now, but I don't think this has anything to do with H-1Bs or immigration.
No one is going through the ridiculous hoops and total uncertainty to bring a new grad to the US under the H-1B program.
The main issue with H-1B currently are off-shore companies who are abusing the system to make it look like they aren't off-shore companies. They still undercut competing US firms because they're paying below market, while still looking like a US firm.
A lot of this work is in IT helpdesk sort of work, manual QA, "systems integration" type work where you set up Sharepoint or something for some enterprise org and provide on-going "support" for it. Basically the type of work non-tech companies already hire out. | null | 0 | 1491252780 | False | 0 | dfsbjo1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6ik7 | null | 1493767516 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jakkarth | null | You're offering free hosting to 750k programmers, running on a single VPS? I'd rethink that plan. | null | 0 | 1491252901 | False | 0 | dfsbnia | t3_639cak | null | null | t3_639cak | null | 1493767568 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sherlock--Holmes | null | You are way off, you and Stanhope. I trained my Indian replacements so many times. And when I say replacements, I mean plural. They brought me and my highly skilled team in to fix their problems, and the second it was either fixed or canceled, they put 3 Indians in to our 1. It's a supply and demand game, and when you flood the market, any market, wages stagnate. | null | 0 | 1491252958 | False | 0 | dfsbpe6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4vwh | null | 1493767592 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lolol42 | null | Well, job competition is a perfectly valid reason, off the top of my head. If you're having trouble finding a job, would you really want them shipping in tons of other applicants?
When you say there are no 'reasonable' reasons, what you mean is that you can't buy any of the reasons you hear, so you just ascribe their motivations to racism. | null | 0 | 1491252974 | False | 0 | dfsbpxc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs60l2 | null | 1493767600 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | evaned | null | ^(Maybe the next line is throwing people? In case that's it, let's just leave it as-is and continue.)
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning, USB, FireWire, SCSI! | null | 0 | 1491252985 | False | 0 | dfsbq9t | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfrwt3e | null | 1493767605 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rasjani | null | And programmed piece can be articulated either manually or programmatically - modified with effects, remixed, chopped and varied with limitless possibilities with just ones and zeros if one has enough creativity. Computer is just an instrument that some people look down upon because they are jealous or feel otherwise superior.
And for Jeebus'sake. Certain music call for millisecond precision even on live instruments - deviate from the norm and audience doesn't like it. It's all about music and expression and sometimes expression requires perfection. Beauty is the ear of the listener. | null | 0 | 1491252990 | False | 0 | dfsbqgh | t3_633o3y | null | null | t1_dfrk0zk | null | 1493767607 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OrionHasYou | null | Cut and paste? I automated that process =) | null | 0 | 1491252990 | False | 0 | dfsbqgi | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4msy | null | 1493767607 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | drawkbox | null | The currency exchange rate and cost of living here are what drive the market costs up. 140k programmer/dev/engineer in Silicon Valley might just be getting by depending on where they live in the valley. | null | 0 | 1491253007 | False | 0 | dfsbqzg | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrydnj | null | 1493767614 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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