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null | TehRoot | null | You're actually wrong.
The U.S. government does accredit universities indirectly through the DOE recognising specific national accreditation boards and publishing a list of the only federally recognised accreditors.
https://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ | null | 0 | 1491244222 | False | 0 | dfs49ro | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxqip | null | 1493763991 | 30 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | didnt_check_source | null | I don't know the deep bowels of the beast, but I'd be surprised if the same company could file many applications for the same applicant. (Multiple companies can simultaneously file an application for the same person, though.) | null | 0 | 1491244321 | False | 0 | dfs4crh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4893 | null | 1493764031 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | grauenwolf | null | I'm not so sure about that. H1B visas are stupid expensive to obtain. | null | 1 | 1491244338 | False | 0 | dfs4d9w | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs285n | null | 1493764037 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Terr_ | null | AKA "the article write to justify browsing /r/programming" :P | null | 0 | 1491244354 | False | 0 | dfs4dsu | t3_6377gk | null | null | t3_6377gk | null | 1493764044 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lazyant | null | they were never eligible | null | 0 | 1491244397 | False | 0 | dfs4f2o | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493764062 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Enamex | null | Issues of the indecisive treatment of `void` sometimes as the 'non-return' and other times as the 'unit-return'. | null | 0 | 1491244415 | False | 0 | dfs4fjq | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfs0gfw | null | 1493764068 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dccorona | null | This is obviously an attempt to get more Americans hired for computer programming jobs. And for the easier jobs at smaller companies with lower salaries, it'll achieve that. But for the larger companies that pay well and hire H1-Bs because they genuinely can't hire fast enough if they only hire Americans, it's going to achieve something else. I expect there's going to be a sharp increase in jobs at the Canadian offices for these companies, and at their offices in India, China, etc.
If you tell a global company that they have to hire Americans in the US, they'll just move their hiring out of the country, and then not only do Americans not get those jobs, or have a chance to fill them when the immigrant moves on to a different position, but the economy as a whole doesn't benefit from the presence of a high-paid individual spending their money inside of the United States.
This just seems like a horribly shortsighted move to me. | null | 1 | 1491244444 | False | 0 | dfs4ghw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493764080 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ithika | null | I laughed! | null | 0 | 1491244446 | False | 0 | dfs4gkh | t3_6355if | null | null | t1_dfs1qz7 | null | 1493764081 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ---JustMe--- | null | It's now called "TN Status", or so the immigration folks told me last time. They seemed quite upset that I was asking for a "TN Visa", and made it very clear there was no "visa" of that type. Always hit or miss with the immigration folks. I'm under sci-Tech.
TN1 is Canada, TN2 is Mexico. | null | 0 | 1491244481 | False | 0 | dfs4hp9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs41ts | null | 1493764096 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | yentity | null | And C++ standards are usually updated every 3 years. So the next version will likely be C++20. The previous versions were C++14 and C++11. | null | 0 | 1491244553 | False | 0 | dfs4jx7 | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfrztt2 | null | 1493764125 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | KillerBerry42 | null | But thats not the entire implementation. I just think its very funny that the proposed implementation of one of the simplest functions already uses overloading. Not saying its a bad implementation its just very c++. | null | 0 | 1491244594 | False | 0 | dfs4l96 | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfs45f3 | null | 1493764143 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | t0rakka | null | Not to belittle American know-how and talent but 7 billion is a larger pool than .3 billion, just saying. The engine needs it's fuel and oxygen.. you have to feed the fire to keep it going, even gain momentum. I am not saying this isn't a good move, hey, it might power a new renaissance in the U.S. Who knows. | null | 0 | 1491244627 | False | 0 | dfs4m6t | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493764156 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | webauteur | null | I don't write code. I operate the cranes which drop chucks of code into existing code, i.e. cut and paste. This is what makes me an engineer. Frankly, I don't even know what the code does. | null | 0 | 1491244646 | False | 0 | dfs4msy | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs1ycu | null | 1493764164 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HillDogsPhlegmBalls | null | > the ACA was passed to try and deal with this
No, the ACA was passed to cripple our "Free market" healthcare system, so when it imploded the government could present single payer as an alternative.
I for one cannot wait until the universally derided Federal government is in charge of our healthcare, Im sure it will be far far superior to anything the free market could offer, just like all of the other things government has taken over. | null | 0 | 1491244677 | False | 0 | dfs4ns7 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2ijf | null | 1493764176 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dccorona | null | But there's more to it than that. Microsoft increasing their cash on hand and market cap thanks to work done in Canada doesn't really benefit the average American at all. But an immigrant worker living in Seattle and earning a high salary does...that's a job that is inside the US, and even if an immigrant holds it today, they might leave or get promoted tomorrow, creating an opening for a job in the US that a citizen might fill. If that happens in Canada, that job gets filled by a Canadian.
And in the meantime, you have a high-paid immigrant paying rent in the US, buying clothes and groceries in the US, eating at US restaurants, going to US movie theaters, etc. etc. The benefit to the US is far greater when the job is inside the country than out of it, even if it is an American company and a job that would have been filled by an immigrant. | null | 0 | 1491244701 | False | 0 | dfs4oj3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4349 | null | 1493764187 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | grauenwolf | null | I just checked. The H1B lottery is per position, not per applicant. If you win the lottery, you then have to file a separate form for the person you want to hire. | null | 0 | 1491244781 | False | 0 | dfs4qo1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4crh | null | 1493764215 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mirhagk | null | It was money better spent than [some of their projects](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob)
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null | appmanga | null | As an unemployed American software developer, I say it's about damned time. | null | 1 | 1491244844 | False | 0 | dfs4sxi | t3_637seo | null | null | t3_637seo | null | 1493764246 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491244909 | False | 0 | dfs4udh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2fkn | null | 1493764266 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sciguystfm | null | It's not even a white collar job. | null | 0 | 1491244913 | False | 0 | dfs4uii | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2fkn | null | 1493764268 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ep1032 | null | That's not what H1B is used for, that's what its marketed as, but that's not what its used for.
I would fully support an H1B program that works the way you've described, and some companies do use it that way, but not on average. | null | 0 | 1491244918 | False | 0 | dfs4uq2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3cnx | null | 1493764270 | 76 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | If you can't compete with the guy who gets paid the same salary AND has to go through months of hoops (that cost a lot btw) then the problem isn't them | null | 1 | 1491244953 | False | 0 | dfs4vwh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2aew | null | 1493764286 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | unkz | null | Turning away high skilled immigrants is how you characterize success?
> Higher salaries here for programmers
But you do realize that there are actually less jobs for Americans because of this, right? All those developers in the Vancouver offices are taking Microsoft/Amazon/etc salary money and pouring it into the local economy. | null | 1 | 1491244974 | False | 0 | dfs4wj0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4349 | null | 1493764294 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | combinatorylogic | null | It's not and never was, but a lot of lunatics for some reason believe it is. | null | 0 | 1491244994 | False | 0 | dfs4x1c | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4uii | null | 1493764300 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mnwhlp | null | I don't see how you can argue that immigrants help America at all. They are taking a job that an American can do. And even disregarding that they are taking a (assumed) $100K salary and even if they spend all of that on rent, food, etc and don't send any back home to their families the U.S. is still at a net gain of ZERO because the $100K came from a U.S. company to begin with. | null | 0 | 1491245003 | False | 0 | dfs4x78 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4oj3 | null | 1493764303 | -13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | didnt_check_source | null | That implies a model fairly different from what I thought. Interesting. | null | 0 | 1491245007 | False | 0 | dfs4xab | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4qo1 | null | 1493764305 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TheRealLonaldLump | null | Infosys, TCS will not give up their contracts lying down. They will just move away the majority of their low-level jobs outside the country. Maybe into Europe... It was easy employing people in the states hence, they did, but as it gets tougher, and Trump continues his crusade against the rest of the world, they will decide it's probably cheaper/easier to relocate. | null | 1 | 1491245066 | False | 0 | dfs4z8k | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfryiyg | null | 1493764330 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Philodoxx | null | Not true, you can be a software engineer on TN now. It's a relatively recent change.
Source: I'm a TN software engineer. | null | 0 | 1491245089 | False | 0 | dfs4zze | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs41ts | null | 1493764340 | 73 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | skilliard7 | null | TIL hiring someone outside the country that's voluntarily willing to work at a lower wage than you is "abuse". | null | 0 | 1491245105 | False | 0 | dfs50hz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxzvj | null | 1493764347 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | addmoreice | null | Every test ever done on every part was collected together and 'shipped' in the 6 TB file. | null | 0 | 1491245152 | False | 0 | dfs521n | t3_62sqe6 | null | null | t1_dfrzex9 | null | 1493764384 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | In what world does US have higher dev salaries than say UK/Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Germany/france (in their big cities) unless you count senior devs in silicon valley and shit. | null | 0 | 1491245158 | False | 0 | dfs529m | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxd8n | null | 1493764387 | -9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | FMScanRadio | null | Depends on the state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_education | null | 0 | 1491245173 | False | 0 | dfs52s3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3rre | null | 1493764394 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ryuzaki49 | null | > It's TN Visa and it specifically forbids programers already.
Are you sure about that? I got a TN Visa 2 years ago. It didn't say Programmer, but Computer Analyst (I don't remember the specific, but the description was very specific) And I was gonna do programming stuff.
You might be correct, and saying Computer Analyst is a workaround. | null | 0 | 1491245178 | False | 0 | dfs52xc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs41ts | null | 1493764396 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mercilessmagic | null | The "end to end argument" in that paper reflects the issue of how dumb the network should be. This goes back and forth. With telephone switches and Plan 55-A message switching, all the intelligence was in the network. With the ARPANET, the network did reliable delivery, but the work was distributed among the dedicated network machines. IP was pure dumb datagram, which was controversial at the time. It still is; the last few years have seen the proliferation of non-transparent middle boxes, from the Great Firewall of China to Comcast to Cloudflare to Google. | null | 0 | 1491245180 | False | 0 | dfs5309 | t3_60nsu2 | null | null | t3_60nsu2 | null | 1493764397 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mnwhlp | null | You realize that all those "high skilled" immigrants are just shipped in so that companies can lower salaries in the first place right? | null | 1 | 1491245186 | False | 0 | dfs5374 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4wj0 | null | 1493764399 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Cherlokoms | null | And where do they expect to get developers? Their shitty overpriced education system? | null | 1 | 1491245188 | False | 0 | dfs5390 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493764400 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491245191 | False | 0 | dfs53co | t3_637seo | null | null | t3_637seo | null | 1493764401 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ryuzaki49 | null | You are correct, but with NAFTA Renegotiation, TN Visas might get killed. | null | 0 | 1491245222 | False | 0 | dfs54bb | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2vsy | null | 1493764415 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | Depending on what your aspirations are, it can be beneficial to not be in a tech mecca or large city. If I was to do things again, I'd try to land a stable tech job in a state without income tax and with good schools. | null | 0 | 1491245231 | False | 0 | dfs54ku | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3y2t | null | 1493764418 | 73 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | combinatorylogic | null | Most developers know nothing at all. It's not a bug, it's a feature. | null | 0 | 1491245247 | False | 0 | dfs552j | t3_6344ep | null | null | t3_6344ep | null | 1493764424 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | s73v3r | null | Except I'm not benefiting. | null | 0 | 1491245264 | False | 0 | dfs55lv | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs39xf | null | 1493764431 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nekmatu | null | Yeh that is not what was happening as a whole. They were bringing in foreign workers and displacing Americans at a fraction of the cost. It wasn't because they were more qualified.
The H1B program was/is horribly abused. | null | 0 | 1491245314 | False | 0 | dfs57a4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3cnx | null | 1493764454 | 21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491245348 | False | 0 | dfs58dh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfryiyg | null | 1493764468 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Caraes_Naur | null | The H1B program is a shell game intended to allow companies to hire cheaper foreign labor instead of American workers. Disney, AT&T, and the couple other firms that forced incumbent workers to train their H1B replacements demonstrates this. | null | 0 | 1491245386 | False | 0 | dfs59ku | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3ngq | null | 1493764485 | 121 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | staticassert | null | I think you're missing the point. As I said, you can mitigate it however you want, the flaw with my code is that it is vulnerable to a timing attack. | null | 0 | 1491245390 | False | 0 | dfs59pq | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfs3saf | null | 1493764487 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lFailedTheTuringTest | null | And the problem of hiring people from the road side institutes is easily ameliorated by properly vetting your hires and cleaning up the hiring process. People from unaccredited institutes dont get hired in the US, in fact they struggle to get jobs in India itself. I dont know of anyone who has been able to secure permanent jobs in the US without graduating from the NITs, IITs and the IIITs but maybe you do. People dont relocate to the US if the cost to profit ratio doesnt hold up and it doesnt for the extremely low level tech support jobs that are offered by the H1B abusers. Nobody believes in the fiction of the "American Dream" anymore. Folks relocate because US is a veritable power house of innovation and because they want to improve their salaries. I also feel you are being a little harsh here since India too has excellent colleges and the US too has its ITT Techs.
What's required here is not a blanket NO to entry level coders but rather a proper study by the Immigration Department on companies that are ostensibly abusing the system and then proper punishment should be doled out to them. I also believe that since hiring programmers for pennies on the dollar from other countries evolved from a quest for profit, this measure will hardly force the abusers to hire US based graduates if it ends up cutting their bottom line. This was a measure to force hands but it will just end in companies abusing their present hires more. | null | 0 | 1491245401 | 1491246001 | 0 | dfs5a22 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrx1p0 | null | 1493764491 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | oren0 | null | > We are already feeling the shift of American coding gigs to Canada. Vancouver, for example, has developer centers for some of the big players already (Microsoft, Amazon, etc.). The fact that it's a 2hr flight from SF, 1hr from Seattle, and is on the same timezone is a big help. Also, don't forget about the 30% discount thanks to the currency difference... oh and no healthcare costs...
For these companies, a significant percentage of the workforce in Canada is there because they weren't able to get US visas. In many cases, they stay 1-2 years and then transfer to the US once they can get an H1-B or L1. | null | 0 | 1491245413 | False | 0 | dfs5ai9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3qrc | null | 1493764497 | 43 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TheRealLonaldLump | null | Companies like infosys, TCS etc. have 5-8 rounds of interviews. Most of these tests have nothing to do with "programming". They test aptitude, conversational skills, yadda, yadda. Finally, if they clear all those rounds, they are put into training for 6 months which is also probation period. Then if they clear their exams, they become employees. They basically groom their employees all the way through. | null | 0 | 1491245448 | False | 0 | dfs5bmm | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxyjr | null | 1493764511 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | emoprairiedog | null | So C++11 is a requisite then for building kdenlive and can be freely used throughout the project? It's an important feature to attract developers IMO. | null | 0 | 1491245477 | False | 0 | dfs5clb | t3_632wq6 | null | null | t1_dfrzzdd | null | 1493764525 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trpcicm | null | This is correct, the TN-1 (Canada) and TN-2 (Mexico) are not Visas (Visas are handled by USCIS), and is instead a status that is applied to you that grants you a work permit. They are non-resident (You can not show "intent to stay" while on a TN-1), and handled entirely by CBP (Who then shares data with USCIS for reporting and other functions, like SSN assignments).
Source: Canadian who was on a TN-1, and is now on an H-1B. | null | 0 | 1491245487 | False | 0 | dfs5cxp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4hp9 | null | 1493764529 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | granadesnhorseshoes | null | I'm pretty sure the marginally higher pay for programmers in the US is a direct result of the companies themselves gaming the system to make H1Bs easier to obtain. IE to apply for H1Bs a job opening must have a minimum salary level.
Edit: for reference, the current minimum salary for an H1B is 60k a year and that was written in 1989. | null | 0 | 1491245491 | False | 0 | dfs5d1p | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxd8n | null | 1493764531 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Hnefi | null | > Which language does this better?
Rust, Haskell, F#, OCaml, Swift... any language with ML heritage, basically. | null | 0 | 1491245505 | False | 0 | dfs5dfx | t3_631p99 | null | null | t1_dfrq7rb | null | 1493764536 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | pretty_sheep | null | lol, I moved to the states recently, and I'm currently doing the same job I used to do in Canada, for similar pay.
I pay about the same here in taxes + healthcare as I did in Canada.
The whole "scary higher taxes" thing is just propaganda man. | null | 0 | 1491245532 | False | 0 | dfs5ebs | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxpqn | null | 1493764547 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | They are arguing that a foreign worker in the US is better than a job relocated out of the US, since the foreign worker will have to pay rent, buy food, use transportation, pay for entertainment, all within the country they work in. In that respect, they are right, a job in the country generates other jobs and is better than a job moving out of the country entirely. What they are ignoring is that most likely, you can find a person in the US to take that job. The biggest part of the entire equation is not salary, it's willingness to invest in employees, which doesn't happen when you treat developers like a commodity. | null | 0 | 1491245547 | False | 0 | dfs5eud | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4x78 | null | 1493764554 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | appmanga | null | What exactly it is your developers do? What types of problems are they solving in their development? Thank you. | null | 0 | 1491245567 | False | 0 | dfs5fho | t3_637qqu | null | null | t1_dfs15g2 | null | 1493764564 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Skyzfallin | null | And we can pocket the 98 cents as bonus to ourselves and claim that we saved the company money by giving the company the 1 cent difference! | null | 0 | 1491245579 | False | 0 | dfs5fvm | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrymx5 | null | 1493764569 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | torotane | null | Why don't you read up on what this visa is used for and relate that to visiting a conference. Are you being employed by Google to visit their conference? | null | 0 | 1491245612 | False | 0 | dfs5gxm | t3_637seo | null | null | t1_dfs53co | null | 1493764582 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | s73v3r | null | No, they cannot. It's on the application. They would get smacked down pretty hard if they did that. And Google needs these people more than they need Google. | null | 0 | 1491245619 | False | 0 | dfs5h5s | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3owl | null | 1493764585 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | obscure_robot | null | Google, Microsoft, Amazon, FB, etc. all have large groups of immigration lawyers on staff. Additionally, they have offices around the world where they can put you while you wait for your US paperwork to flow through the system. | null | 0 | 1491245645 | False | 0 | dfs5i06 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrykwq | null | 1493764596 | 31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moneymark21 | null | Certainly, depending on what city you are located in. | null | 0 | 1491245651 | False | 0 | dfs5i7s | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfryw0x | null | 1493764600 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | IgnisDomini | null | You kind of played your hand by explicitly listing "less immigrants" as an inherent positive, you know. Now you can't say you aren't just a racist, which you clearly are.
Edit: TIL: A lot of people on this sub are racist. | null | 1 | 1491245680 | 1491246537 | 0 | dfs5j72 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4349 | null | 1493764613 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MidnightDemon | null | Source? | null | 0 | 1491245688 | False | 0 | dfs5jfc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs54bb | null | 1493764616 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sparr | null | > The H1B application window opens (and effectively closes) today
Elaborate on "effectively closes"? | null | 0 | 1491245689 | False | 0 | dfs5jgf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrx4t1 | null | 1493764616 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Yare_Owns | null | >i'm under the impression that the average wage of programmers in the US is insanely high - multiple times that of similar positions in europe in many cases.
US programmers waste their excess funds bidding against each other in the housing market. Common to find people making $100k+/yr living in an apartment with roommates in tech hubs. | null | 0 | 1491245695 | False | 0 | dfs5jo5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrydnj | null | 1493764619 | 109 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mnwhlp | null | Yes, exactly. I think for every foreign worker a country wants to bring into the country they should have to advertise the job for a month locally and then if there was no qualified U.S. worker for the position they could apply for a visa. | null | 0 | 1491245705 | False | 0 | dfs5jyi | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5eud | null | 1493764622 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AceBacker | null | One place I was working was slowly replacing it's work force with H1B's entirely. Some of the H1B rules definitely needed to be changed. But, waiting to the last second is unacceptable. This messes with good people's lives. This should not be a game.
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null | wereinthematrix | null | > This means this is an attempt to ensure that no H1Bs are awarded to any computer programmers
No, it's not. It is rescinding outdated guidance for the Nebraska Service Center. This should not affect any H1Bs awarded to computer programmers this year. It is a measure to ensure that the Nebraska center (which has recently restarted processing H1Bs after some time not doing so) does not accidentally follow outdated guidance. | null | 0 | 1491245745 | False | 0 | dfs5lc2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrx4t1 | null | 1493764641 | 98 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | benhoyt | null | This is a more helpful (and prettier) article on BK-trees than the [one](http://blog.notdot.net/2007/4/Damn-Cool-Algorithms-Part-1-BK-Trees) I've seen linked to before by Nick Johnson. I wrote my own Python implementation of a BKTree recently ([here on PyPI](https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pybktree/1.0)), which we're using for [duplicate image detection](http://tech.jetsetter.com/2017/03/21/duplicate-image-detection/). | null | 0 | 1491245770 | False | 0 | dfs5m7t | t3_636m76 | null | null | t3_636m76 | null | 1493764653 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | appmanga | null | Shit like this has nothing to do with gauging potential; it's all about exclusion. | null | 0 | 1491245783 | False | 0 | dfs5mmr | t3_637qqu | null | null | t1_dfs0rnn | null | 1493764658 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | genti_watchman | null | But you do benefit through cheaper food at your table. | null | 1 | 1491245903 | 1491246644 | 0 | dfs5qp5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs55lv | null | 1493764712 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mnwhlp | null | How is it racist to think that job should go to an American before a foreigner? I didn't mention race at all. There are Americans of all races. | null | 0 | 1491245919 | False | 0 | dfs5r7v | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5j72 | null | 1493764720 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | SulfurousAsh | null | Travel to India and get an easy degree! | null | 0 | 1491245958 | False | 0 | dfs5sin | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2l3y | null | 1493764736 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | poco | null | The point is, and you see this with companies like Amazon and MS in Vancouver, is that they are literally doing exactly the same job as they would be doing if they worked in Seattle. They work with the same teams, on the same source code, developing the same product.
Some of them are just doing it while they wait for their US visa to get approved so they can move down and continue their work.
If they are not allowed to enter the US then they will just stay in Canada, doing EXACTLY the same job as they would be doing in Seattle, but getting paid in Canada, paying tax in Canada, buying food in Canada.
They are already taking work away from Americans in the classic "offshore" sense but they have been eventually immigrating to the US to do the jobs. All that closing off visas is going to do is keep them, and their jobs, out of the US.
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null | genti_watchman | null | Demand is 200,000+; supply is 65,000; so USCIS opens an application window for a week in April, then uses a lottery system to grant a subset of the applicants an H1B starting October. | null | 0 | 1491245974 | False | 0 | dfs5t2q | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5jgf | null | 1493764744 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | obscure_robot | null | You are thinking of [Professional Engineer](https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe) which is a very specific certification that is primarily useful if you need to sign off on government documents. If you are a civil engineer, you need to be a PE if you want to work on non-trivial projects. Software Engineers have no such need.
Source: I went to one of the few schools designed to prep its students for the PE process. As a result, I have more EE, Civil, Mechanical, etc. engineering coursework from my core requirements than most people that actually majored in those subjects. Yet here I am, engineering software. (please don't hire me to design a bridge for you, it will end badly for everyone involved) | null | 0 | 1491245981 | False | 0 | dfs5tb6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs0dci | null | 1493764747 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CodeReclaimers | null | Bonus points if you can get a job in an area with minimal (or no) commute and cheap rural housing. $100k goes much, much further in rural America than in Seattle or Silicon Valley. | null | 0 | 1491245993 | False | 0 | dfs5to8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs54ku | null | 1493764751 | 100 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | IgnisDomini | null | That _would_ be the case if the H-1B window didn't open _today._ These additional requirements are just being added to invalidate all applications submitted so they'll have to wait for the next window. | null | 0 | 1491245994 | False | 0 | dfs5tom | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxxiy | null | 1493764751 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rabid_briefcase | null | The bulk-application ones probably don't, but the smaller individual applications are more likely to.
The change removes the old exception. Employers now need documentation that the skills really are specialty skills and that they really tried to find citizens first. Jobs for computer-industry professionals are no longer presumed to automatically qualify, they must actually qualify.
While the timing is terrible -- normally there are requirements of a multi-month window and time for responses and exemptions -- the action is overdue. I remember when they put it in place and they wrote it was temporary.
The temporary change has been in place for 17 years.
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null | GailaMonster | null | it's like saying "the ticket purchasing window for Hamilton opens (and effectively closes) today". The window opens today, and all slots will be "sold out" before tomorrow. | null | 0 | 1491246007 | False | 0 | dfs5u59 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5jgf | null | 1493764757 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ---JustMe--- | null | > Source: Canadian who was on a TN-1, and is now on an H-1B.
Going for a green card?
I thought about it, but a guy I worked with turned me off from the idea. Apparently, a friend of his switched from TN->H1B with his work sponsoring him to get a green card, but he got let go before the process was completed, so he didn't get his green card. He then tried to go to another company as TN status but was denied because he had shown intent to stay in the US (by going H1B). Ever hear anything similar? | null | 0 | 1491246013 | False | 0 | dfs5ucn | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5cxp | null | 1493764761 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | EchtoCooler | null | BLS (whose handbook is being used to justify this change) define Computer Programmer and Software Developer as different jobs where programmer is more task driven and developer involves more planning and architecture. When you say Software Engineer at the border, they probably map it directly to Software Developer.
The key difference here is the BLS lists programmer as hireable with an associates degree (or equivalent exp), while developer requires bachelors or equivalent.
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-programmers.htm
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm | null | 0 | 1491246038 | False | 0 | dfs5v70 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs1ycu | null | 1493764772 | 58 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mirhagk | null | Unfortunately there is a huge misunderstanding between universities and employers of what CS programs mean.
In theory what you say is correct, and a lot of universities are indeed like this, covering theory that'd be inapplicable to the **vast** majority of software jobs. But unfortunately most people have just reduced it to difficulty. When scanning candidates (all else being equal) they see `masters in comp sci` > `bachelors in comp sci` > `diploma in software development`, even though the latter is the most appropriate training for most situations.
I think a good part of this is due to school's encouraging smarter people to go for farther degrees. So you want to pick people who were ambitious and smart enough to get into a comp sci program, regardless of whether or not the program teaches anything of value.
Education **really** needs a drastic overhaul. | null | 0 | 1491246053 | False | 0 | dfs5vph | t3_6344ep | null | null | t1_dfro48o | null | 1493764779 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | appmanga | null | >This is obviously an attempt to get more Americans hired for computer programming jobs.
No shit. And long past overdue. | null | 0 | 1491246079 | False | 0 | dfs5wjd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4ghw | null | 1493764789 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lolol42 | null | You can be opposed to immigration because you're a racist; but being opposed to immigration doesn't make you a racist in and of itself. Immigration has a lot of baggage associated with it, so there are plenty of reasons one could be opposed to it other than hatred of someone's skin color. | null | 0 | 1491246081 | False | 0 | dfs5wmp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5j72 | null | 1493764792 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | binford2k | null | You ever try to buy concert tickets when they sell out in 90 minutes? | null | 0 | 1491246093 | False | 0 | dfs5x0z | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5jgf | null | 1493764797 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ReefOctopus | null | H1Bs are supposed to have a specialized skillset that the employer hasn't been able to find among citizens. I've seen H1Bs brought in for basic CRUD work at $40k. This absolutely abuses the program. | null | 0 | 1491246093 | False | 0 | dfs5x13 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs50hz | null | 1493764797 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MidnightDemon | null | Read the experiences of other Canadians on this thread before downvoting.
Progammer != software engineer by their standards. Software engineers design the product, write use cases, write proposals, vet the security principals, review the design caveats and can help to implement it in the end. Programmer means "I can write code" and SE means "I can design a product and implement it or ensure others are implementing it correctly".
**Edit**: It's quite clear if you ever gone through the TN process. This is how the immigrations officers equate them, whether you agree to their categorizations or not. Downvote all you want it doesn't change the facts.
**Source**: am on a TN and I get grilled if I am a "programmer". It's a scary process, not knowing if you can get home from the airport or not. TNs can get revoked or you can be denied re-entry for any cause at any time. | null | 1 | 1491246100 | 1491248638 | 0 | dfs5x9u | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs4zze | null | 1493764800 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tetroxid | null | US software developers also work 60 hour weeks, come in on weekends a lot, and have nothing even remotely resembling holidays.
Try any of that shit in any European country and you'll face severe legal repercussions. | null | 1 | 1491246121 | False | 0 | dfs5xxt | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxd8n | null | 1493764810 | 36 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | MidnightDemon | null | This is correct. There is no valid visa for "programmer". It could be the immigration officer dealing with you did or did not know this or understand it correctly. | null | 0 | 1491246127 | False | 0 | dfs5y5i | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs52xc | null | 1493764812 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491246148 | False | 0 | dfs5ytq | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5jgf | null | 1493764821 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stiurb | null | works in both python 2.7 and 3 for me | null | 0 | 1491246150 | False | 0 | dfs5yxe | t3_62xwba | null | null | t1_dfrzygm | null | 1493764822 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | and_one_more_thing | null | Wrong. Hiring low-paid grunts through a program intended to bring in high-paid specialists is “abuse.” | null | 0 | 1491246174 | False | 0 | dfs5zow | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs50hz | null | 1493764832 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | calvin_peeing | null | In this world dude..it's not just senior dev salaries. Google pays a US dev much more for the exact same position in the US than the EU. If you transfer to another country you literally take a pay cut. | null | 0 | 1491246174 | False | 0 | dfs5zp1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs529m | null | 1493764832 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | genti_watchman | null | Think of what the oil (or programmer) *does*, as opposed to what it *is*. You're using the analogy to oil that all programmers are human, as opposed to many of them being much more valuable programmers than others.
The value of each subsequent barrel of oil is higher and higher. And the last few barrels are exponentially more valuable than the ones produced just before them.
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