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i don't know, if some barbarians come in and start burning books or whatever, burning people's computers.
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to me, this is conceivably a way to replace http and that's what i think it's going to do. i think that this technology is going to replace http.
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that allows people to retrieve it. well first retrieve it using ipfs from our ipfs nodes that we're going to run.
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the second step is to make something that's more human accessible, because obviously.
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they're these long kind of strings that you don't remember them. you can't.
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so for example, when you run an ipfs node, it generates a private key and.
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this has a very similar notion. each note id has what's called a pub key hash.
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it would look up that record, that dns record, using the name servers,
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and then get the ipns pub key hash that it's looking for, and then use that to find the ipfs hash that it needs in order to load the site correctly.
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because the ipfs hash changes every time that you update the content.
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which isn't really totally unreasonable, right? because i mean, if you think about.
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a few hundred gigabytes or something like that on their laptop hard drive,
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different kinds of implications that would fundamentally change
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on this idea that data can't be deleted?
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personal pictures hacked or whether it's somebody who has-
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ipfs doesn't create that problem. to me, when information that's kind of controversial gets introduced online.
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in terms of actually addressing the morality of that,
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yeah, no, no. i mean, like the... personally, i actually am kind of a private person. i don't actually use social networks very much. again, i don't really like them.
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and i think that's kind of weird we've been becoming so entrenched into these social networks.
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i see it as a very ephemeral thing, simply because it's not as good. it's not as good as actually just hanging out with your friends.
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developing still, and they don't really have a lot of rule of law, and so you can just
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post whatever you want, and then nobody will stop you because the government doesn't care.
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but again, i'm not sure how you solve that problem.
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one of the big changes between the geocities cities internet and the modern internet
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to our internet presence, this has been a very interesting development because essentially it's turned us into narcissists.
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i mean, that's public life in general, right? you look at public figures and that's
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but then in person they might be, or in their private life, they might be a lot different.
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it seems like that's just a function of public life and it seems like more people.
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just so happened to be experiencing that phenomenon of living in public, in a way.
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yeah, and the thing is that if you were to have a anonymous internet presence.
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but they wouldn't actually be able to really attach that to you in any meaningful way,
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being just setting all these death threats and just being crazy.
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this is the kind of stuff that was once reserved for really high level celebrities and now it's like any person.
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so to me, anonymity is the biggest solution to that problem.
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and not just because it gives you that private life that we were losing to the social networks.
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but also because when you're anonymous in representation with a project, you're working on.
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so for example, let's say that there's a site on neocities ... which by the way, neocities does not require real identity. you can just create an anonymous site. you don't have to put your name on it,
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you don't put a picture of yourself on it or anything like that. you can if you want, but you don't have to.
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what if somebody makes an incredible site on neocities? and it's really loved and it's really useful and it's really resourceful.
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think about it this way. you go to this site. you don't know who made the site. it could be a man, it could be a woman,
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i guess, racial background or cultural background or nationality.
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which i think is the core of the problem. we're never going to be able to get rid of content on the internet that we don't want on there. i mean, we can try our hardest.
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i think it is an unreasonable thing. i think that we're going to continue to see this problem.
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until we frankly stop putting our name, location, and how to reach us.
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that's what's going to fix that problem, if it is a problem.
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but in an ipfs system, you're basically knocking on a bunch of random doors and you're like, "hey, can i get this resource?"
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oh yeah, absolutely. i mean, you definitely can. i mean, you can figure out what hashes people are looking for.
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academic papers. but it uses the kademlia dht, or a distributed hash table.
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it takes 20 network hops to ask a network of 10 million nodes, whether it has a specific file, or a hash, or not.
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so the way that it's designed is that it's very efficient. the lookup mechanism is very efficient and you don't have to bang on ...
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if you don't choose to host a hash on your machine or you haven't cashed it by recently looking at it.
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with tour, you're required to transfer whatever content's coming through.
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now, a lot of people are going to complain about that.
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it does use cryptography to communicate with the other nodes, so it's not just sending plain text data through the web.
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but that said, it doesn't, how do i describe this?
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http so that you can use ipfs sites in the web browser.
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so you could have a tour hidden service hosted on ipfs?
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in the future i'm sure if we did switch from http directly to using ipfs,
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which i see happening in the future. i mean, i think browsers are just going to start implementing ipfs into them directly.
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it comes with some political implications that you have to think about.
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a different kind of anonymity system would have to be deployed, or a different combination of existing.
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it's not too much different than using bittorrent.
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i guess using bittorrent, if they want to protect their privacy from their peers, then-
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there's still other issues that maybe need to be taken into account.
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and then storing the ipfs hash in our database that we have for each site.
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and using that to provide a link to people that are interested in using the service.
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and to start showing people, "hey, this technology, it's not vaporware. this is a real thing and it works."
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yeah, not replacing your infrastructure, but supplementing it.
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i actually want to make, essentially what neocities is going to do is just directly generate private keys for each of the sites on neocities.
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its own key and can use that to update their own site.
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and so what that allows us to do long term is it means that even if neocities goes down.
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but they can also be changed forever. the users can use that key to update their neocity site.
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we will be able to make neocity sites that can outlive neocities itself.
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with millions of sites and millions of dependent users. it means that we can kind of decentralize the web.
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i think that that makes a lot more sense than the direction we're going in right now.
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we're taking hundreds of millions, if not billions of humans, and we're dumping them into decentralized systems.
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they don't have our best intentions in mind. they don't have the future of the internet in mind. they're conquers. they're vikings.
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with that, you start to have a good pattern for realizing whether a technology is a good idea or a bad one.
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for example, bitcoin to me is not a revolution.
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to me is a massive perversion of the personal computing revolution. it is a problem.
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but without having the problem of sites going away when a single resource goes down-
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that's a really great explanation.
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i became familiar with you and your work at neocities actually originally through your work on.
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i believe you recently deprecated the wallet, so you're not really working on it anymore.
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what's interesting about ipfs is that when it uses private keys to sign mutable pub key hashes.
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so it's a lot of the same problems. one of the reasons that bitcoin is such a great informer of that is that
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attackers love to hack into bitcoin stock because they can steal money.
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we've been able to- yeah, it's given an incredible financial incentive to figure out how to properly secure these things.
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at the end of the day, essentially what it is a big distributed file system.
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that essentially allows you to create a cryptocurrency.
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it becomes a lot easier for people to, for example, run a node that represents a cryptocurrency that's built on top of ipfs.
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so i definitely foresee some pretty interesting cryptocurrencies coming forward in the space.
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one of the things that the protocol labs is working on-
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and so long term that could be used potentially to create an incentivization for people to store data.
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it's definitely going to be really interesting to watch the evolution of this technology.
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so, kyle, i really want to thank you for taking the time to come on the show and talk about your journey in learning about ipfs and deciding to
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turn your website into one of the first truly peer-to-peer distributed websites.
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what i want to distill to people. and i'm hoping that this finally kind of sends the message through.
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