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crisis needs a complex normative perspective that integrates the leading values of each of those poles
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that has been, let's say, somewhat twisted,
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by free market liberals, embracing.
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that would be my kind of comment and maybe a critical question to you.
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a very thoughtful observation.
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it is true that there are sorts of different temporalities
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bad with financialization is a stunning, but that may seem, let's say not as deep-
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...in a way as the ecological dimension. and so people are speaking now about carbon capitalism-
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...right? that we've got a whole, several hundred years-
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...years now of this fossil fuel development. we have the idea of a new-
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...geological age, the anthropocene, which coincides-
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...with the rise of capitalism, which it is. and i agree with you that in-
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that is perhaps more conceivable, but i think i agree with you that the sort of-
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...transformation of the energy basis-
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...of society that would be required today to-
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the mental, dare we say, interference, let-
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...say with property rights. another way to think-
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...about this is, i emphasize-
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...here the analogies among the three-
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...fictitious commodities as polanyi does, but one could, but that-
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...that there's more to be said. there are also some important dis analogies. maybe, this is an odd way to talk, but one might say-
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...there's some way in which the ecological limits are-
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...let's say more external, the financialization limits are somehow internal-
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...dates, because so much of this is post or trans territorial, so much of what needs to be regulated.
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and this is a very hard thing to understand. as-
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...i said to polanyi's credit, he really did-
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...all of that needs to-
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...somehow be rethought. i think that's central here. we can't have an-
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yeah. thank you for that observation and that question, and i'm completely sympathetic to your worry here-
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...the last thing i would want would be to set up that equation-
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...social reproduction equals care equals women equals feminism.
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what i really meant to say is that social reproduct-
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...i really want to understand social reproduction in a very broad sense.
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important elements of it go on-
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...et cetera. i don't want to reduce it-
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...to care in the way that is usually understood as a private domestic occupation.
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one is that this whole terrain-
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...is not being adequately theorized by anybody. the people who are doing the best job, who have a-
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...certain stake in it are feminists, but that's part of this problem of critical separatism. and i even use the word ghettoization-
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...at one point, this terrain-
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...it should be of-
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...interest to all critical theory. so that's one point. a second-
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...in one's thinking with the way that capitalism entrenches and-
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...institutionalizes a dichotomy between production and-
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...i understand it. this dichotomy is an artifact of-
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...capitalism. previously, this-
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...this work of social reproduction was not sharply separated from what we call-
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...production. just recall the-
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...right form of production in which you have the right selling-
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... point on the ground floor, a workshop above it, a kitchen and above that bedrooms for-
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... journeymen, and such. i mean, these are situations... it's the separation and privatization of social reproduction and it's-
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we don't want to encourage these dichotomies, but still we need to sort of understand how this dichotomy gets institutionalized and-
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... and how to make visible-
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... the background condition of possibility for the foreground exploitation-
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... of labor that marks or theorized very-
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... day. well, i think i want to say several things on this-
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... that it is almost... or should be-
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... limitless. i mean, i don't think there's any issue that is not pertinent in which-
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... grand that if feminists don't bring out, we'll go missing, right? no one else is going to do it.
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so i just don't see wherever there is sort of struggle and-
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... sort of along with hester eisenstein and a few other people, i've been very concerned about a kind of unholy alliance or dangerous liaison between the dominant-
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... should be to try to break this dangerous liaison with a-
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... cratic individualistic, let's... like this big bestseller in the united-
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my point of view would be to break that dangerous liaison if possible, and try. this would be-
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i can't say how, but try to forge some new principle in alliance with social-
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... protection, which is often-
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i mean, the most visible and intense-
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in your opinion, why do you think the occupy movement failed? thank you.
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great. great question. i mean, when you say people want capitalism and-
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... in the global south, so-called. i mean, the point is there is something worse than.
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... not being... than being exploited and that's not being exploited. there really is. that's what i've been trying to stress here about-
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... how, and that's why i'm opposed to this kind of-
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... commodification of care, no more commodification, labor, et cetera, et cetera.
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there. people don't want buildings to collapse on them, even-
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... though they want jobs. so in other words, what our job as i see at the job-
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... and to live a decent life, and the question is, the question-
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... provide that today. it's not clear to me.
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... that it can, or, i mean, there's partly a semantic issue. i mean-
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... nature and finance need to be, if not totally de-commodified, then very rope-
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... that i call with some wink at gaietry spievak strategic agnosticism. in other words-
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this would be such an enormous improvement over what-
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... we have now, right? but one-
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... thing we want, well, let's try it. and-
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... population in opinion polling supported the movement after a few weeks. what-
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... of any way to turn that support into some enduring political campaign let's say.
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and one thing that clearly the evictions from-
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... the public spaces was catastrophic. it really shows how important actual public spaces, as opposed to simply cyber-
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... space. not that cyber space isn't important, but without it, it became impossible to sort of keep the public attention on that once those-
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me just say this since there's a lot of the... several of the core sort of people are my own students.
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there's a kind of neo anarchism that is
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rampant among youthful activists today that i think in the end is really...
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we have to face up to the organizational questions somehow, and it's not easy. i don't know the answer. no one...
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is for a leninist party, but if you're serious about changing really fundamental, deep structural things, you have to have something to say about organization.
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and the sort of principled refusal to even take up. the question seems to be problematic, but look,
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we haven't heard the last of this, the same sentiments and the same problems continue.
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thank you, professor fraser for a really good lecture, you.
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he's using [polanyi's 00:01:02] idea. so what we're talking about here again, is another
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transmission of know how that, right, that lays behind agriculture and all sorts of other production then-
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which still had
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the... there was still the idea in science until relatively recently a
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