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and obsessed by their own curiosities. some of them are interested in
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50 million years ago. and this is obsessive compulsive interest to them. and they're suddenly looking around going, but wait
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the gigantic population surge that has caused the problems that we can burn fossil
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fuels and put it into the atmosphere. these are all scientific achievements. so
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a while that having told the world about it, that the world would react like a scientific
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committee or like an individual science and say, oh yes, there's the data. there's a solution. we will therefore change. and then they've...
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seeing the backlash of the last five years, the attack on science, the republican.
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scientific adjectives, there's persuasive, and then there's compelling and compel. if you're compelled to believe
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something, it's like somebody has strapped you down and made you believe
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in. well, they think they have compelling evidence and the world has ignored
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it. right. it also has to be political will to back that because the facts are the facts...
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the facts will be on enough to persuade the
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political structure. the political will that says, hey,
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(beep) listen to this. this is real, this is... here's all the studies you can look at it six ways [inaudible 00:00:45]. but here it is.
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convincing political structures, aren't convincing. but the story i think,
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the stories are convincing. that's what convinces
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a people out there, or if fox news is sort of a ready example-
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that's one of the things that i think is part of the complexity here is, if you're going to write political story...
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that's what brings us here as an interest in political stories. okay, the polity, we're talking people, we're talking organization
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is whatever, is it a fact that we should ban?
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no, i know what you're talking about and...
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or getting stabbed by the pope's assassins outside the gates. it needed to be decided by...
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that has always been twisted up with the story of
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a, the state can control and b, that the people will be happy
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planet. so given that the two strands are... there's probably more than two that
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are intertwined with each other. i think it's always been best, especially as an american leftist. i'm always scared of the idea of throwing out the baby with the bath.
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so many crimes have been committed in the name of science, in the name of the left in the 20th century, that it's easy...
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baby with the bathwater and say, well, these were just mistakes and we
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better just not have any ideas or we better muddle on through. or if only everybody was good or if only
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the lives that we lead, which are demonstrably in many ways, physically
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and even politically better than they were in the 17th century when science began. so it's
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some gigantic cosmic, hindu-god battle, the
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forces of good and evil and they're siamese twins. and so i'm just trying to de-strand it and say, do not throw... do not
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reject science when you run to the doctor the moment that you're sick, it's just as to
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coherent. and also our political possibility of moving forward, of moving leftward, becoming
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and convincing the scientific community that they are already leftists or convincing the rest of the world,
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good. and so this is the... i hope-
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yes, since he wasn't... since he's over 21 and but...
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he's homeless he's [so 00:03:33] is in vietnam that [inaudible 00:03:34]
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it was in his head, struggles with drugs and whatever, but mcgrady is probably more great, mcgrady-
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we're here again for another shipping san francisco talk, an ongoing series.
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is a conservative slash liberal and a democrat, republican.and
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it didn't get too far outside that, and didn't get into... except when, when barry mentioned the torture issue, didn't get into
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issues or are you are political philosophy beyond the mainstream.
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i felt at least 70% of the people in that large audience
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had power. and what kind of writing works that way?
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i don't want to suggest one question by this...
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i just want to, bounce that off of you all since it's been bugging me.
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it's about sex trafficking, so-
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sex trafficking to me is the ultimate exploitation. in a certain way, the ultimate-
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how do we make what is today considered radical, more mainstream-
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atlantic monthly article by former mit economist. and now i'm sorry, imf economist and now mit professor simon johnson.
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i really recommend it, just google it. the quiet coup, simon johnson.
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we don't usually use with regard to america more likely we'll use it with regard to the old soviet union.
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or maybe or russia to [inaudible 00:00:03] is another word that we were not comfortable using with regard to what we've
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done. then it would be by competition is just the classic oligarchy and our avoidance of the word with regard to our
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own system, i think obscures its existence in america.
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we have lots of words like this, by the way. and, and i guess
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this is one of the things i try to do in my books and also on my blog, is to use words that we typically use exclusively for others, exclusively to denigrate others.
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these all really mean, all these words and phrases mean pretty much the same thing.
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we don't have secret prisons, we have detention centers. we don't have a gulag,
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certainly we have a detention centers. and i think if you start using these words that are typically reserved for other countries and cultures,
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you can get people, some people anyway, to look at these phenomena with a new set of eyes, at least that's what i try to do.
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well, i guess that should answer my own question or try. having been a mystery fan for so long,
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that it was sort of a way to do something subversive to sort of law people into having a good time. and i try to use humor
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a lot and hopefully slyly get something over.
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but for that, you have to find a mainstream audience.
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hopefully i've done that a little bit. and then this book, incredible double.
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because i've just been thinking about it a lot since [inaudible 00:01:38] and also summer and i did
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readings together or so, so we got to see our audience sometimes, three at a time. which is
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fine, but like for example, we did an anarchist book for [inaudible 00:01:55] in san francisco, which was pretty great.
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i mean, i'm constantly scratching my head about that because marketing budgets,
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maybe barry will speak to that but i don't have an answer.
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don't know why you all chose genre writing rather than say, literary fiction. i know you do other things too, but what made you write in this form-
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in our history where that was the word that was being-
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it is thrillers because there's just something in my brain that makes it.
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though stephen king, when he gets asked the question, why do you choose to write horror? his stock answer is why do you assume i have a choice? and i think that's pretty much sums it up.
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science fiction that it just after reading every john d. macdonald
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pop novel, it just came out, it kind of comes out that way.
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i guess i'm going to be this kind of a writer. i won't do
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ulysses this time, this life.
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well, we've been many unlikely vehicles for comedies.
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we sure do comedy [crosstalk 00:03:05] for sure. i don't know about sex trafficking. i mean, i guess i'm the comedy writer here.
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last of the world, you're aware of it and this is going to give some kind of order or logic to that-
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okay. shortly thereafter and then back again. and he pisses himself during this-
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his ass. and i was amazed at how much angry mail i got about this from people saying stuff.
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i don't think you'd feel very charitably toward that politician, right at that moment. even if you were a staunch republican.
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certainly join it. we have plenty of time. so, we're not pressed on with time front. we also-
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planets berkeley. so i have a lot of leeway.
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to being a destructive asshole, that's just hard.
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probably very few people who would look at themselves as
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destructive assholes. i mean, maybe none. probably none. name the
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most destructive asshole you can think of, like cheney or john yoo or david addington or george
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w. bush. i'm just throwing some names out. i'm not a random, but probably i'm-.
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it's a lot harder to write stories about cooperation. you have to-
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constantly marveling that-
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party state. and there's a couple of factions that argue over.
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why? how do you explain to your-
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this guys is a psych. yeah. you're right.
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it's only now that their names start to come up, but they were operating under the radar for a long, long time.
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