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[inaudible 00:03:28]. it also raises a lot of question like when a girl tries to hit on him and he does not respond at all, she's like 'gay'. [
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0000:03:35] and just sort of and feel like, oh yeah! it probably hasn't been easy for you. oh, wow! i'm kind of an asshole. [
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00:03:44] good luck with that. maybe you could write a letter to steven moffitt.
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oh my god. i will punch you in the face like sebastian wolfff. this is just like... i missed [
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00:03:57] the way as often happens in real life, the way that neuro, being autistic or having other... [
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00:04:05] real life, this has led to a lot of people getting incarcerated for doing nothing, just being autistic, basically. so. [
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00:04:14] right. or bipolar. and you're in a manic state or [
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00:04:19] in conclusion, maybe that's how they'll work. mary moore stand into the show. [
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00:04:32], he didn't display a socially appropriate reaction. so what she's supposed to think, [
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00:04:37], i take sally side and that, i think she made a reasonable assumption [
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00:04:41] to some extent, but i also don't take her side because you know what sally get with the [
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00:04:47] religious that i just don't see that happening. so i find that a little discouraging,
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but that's actually, it's intense. that's a contentious [
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like, specify anything, if you do the shit what he already does, there's probably something going on in your brain. does it hinder?
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on the commentary on great game, they talk about how they're one of the few adaptations to actually have an irish moriarty.
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it starts out good, and then it kind of just falls apart later on. i don't know.
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i am the primary villain in that episode is
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the word colleague.
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because i phrase everything like a classroom assignment. like i'm a teacher giving feedback. okay. so what does the show do?
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that was a thing in the second season, i thought-
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someday, maybe only in my head.
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this show has this whole weirdness with homosexuality.
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i think he knows that people, especially men are getting kind of freaked out about it.
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but really we have our other friend, steve, who was sort of our little stride slash stanford.
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it was like 'do a podcast', and she helps us deal with the world.
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do we know? so that's about it. and i guess we'll move into our discussion.
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start with this. we never really meet adler face-to-face in the original doyle novel.
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in fact, we only hear her voice once in the letter she leaves for holmes and the king of bohemia.
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and then watson's narration adds another layer of removal from the story. is watson an audience surrogate attempting to decode the mystery of adler along with us, or is he distorting her story further?
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how does this grow increasingly complicated and adaptations where we almost always meet adler face to face due to the nature of movies and television being visual?
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it's a different kind of mystery. so by putting distance between adler and the readers,
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it adds an element of mystery. even though this isn't really a mystery story,
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an unprecedented move for watson to remove himself from the case a bit. and at the beginning of certain cases... i'll have this disclaimer.
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being a male audience, is this a man versus woman thing? i don't think it is. but i do think it's interesting to note that while
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he establishes that distance, he's also doing something else, regardless of what his other motives
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are. it's also working very hard to distance adler from holmes in particular as a romantic interest. look at the first paragraph of the story. watson spends so much,
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it's really affects your view of sherlock and of gender in the series. i guess in the larger context of all the holmes short stories, i'm
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inclined to say that adler does not represent femininity as a whole, or women as a whole. and i don't think she makes any universals.
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the reason i say this is because a scandal
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in bohemia is not the only holmes story. there're billions of holmes,
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they're married women, unmarried women, young women and old women.
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those who are self-supporting, some of them are lawless. some of them are law abiding. you get a big variety. and this is one of the things i really like about doyle as a writer. he's actually pretty good.
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noteworthy in some way. i don't actually think holmes is as misogynistic, as some people claim,
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but he doesn't make as many sexist and generalizing remarks as i would have expected him to. reading the stories,
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but he does still make generalizing remarks. and i think that's just, he's a victorian man.
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of course he's going to do that. and no matter how much he rejects the conventional in his life, he's still going to embody some of these society's patriarchy.
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but i think, in early episodes, sherlock
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passed? and i think people have told him probably in his childhood.
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so he probably second guesses these caring feelings. and i think his victory at the end of reichenbach was...
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so i shouldn't view literary
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fairness as a giant non-normative umbrella.
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i think some people are very picky about it. are they lesbian? are they gay? are they bisexual?
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anything not normative is a bit queer.
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i was reading the beginning, they'll have it. and there's a bit of a queer reading
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you can do here. anyway, since gender roles are so rigid in victorian society
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and it's temporary, so she can go off and find the man that she's supposed to marry. and then she stops when she gets married. like if you look at 12th night.
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and it's almost to- to get a better idea of how shocking it was, in those days, if you think about men cross-dressing as women these days, which usually is read as queer by most people.
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[inaudible 00:00:11] i think should leave him in. yes [inaudible 00:00:15]
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ritchie versus irene in more of a variety of disguises in the movies. because they give her very pretty outfits.
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[inaudible 00:00:23] not really, no. jude law looks way better in drag.
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well i was going to say that jude law is so pretty as it is that- [inaudible 00:00:34]
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she doing that because she really is or because she's lying to john.
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[inaudible 00:00:39] she identifies herself as gay. so- right. -the question is not, [inaudible 00:00:44]
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we're not questioning her identification, we're wondering was she being honest [inaudible 00:00:49]
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or was she purposely just lying to john? so- right. [inaudible 00:00:53]
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here's this constructive power and it is artificial, it's role-play. on one hand i was like, well- [inaudible 00:01:00].
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and if we had a scene of her in her off hours sitting on the couch and watching eastenders. [inaudible 00:01:07].
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i will get to that, i think, with the next question. [inaudible 00:01:12].
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i do have one more comment about bbc irene and queerness
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[inaudible 00:01:17] and what's cool is she potentially brings out, or highlights, the queerness in others.
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[inaudible 00:01:24] and i think you have to call death to the author on this one.
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[inaudible 00:01:28] you do, and i admit that and i [inaudible 00:01:31] here, [inaudible 00:01:33]
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but the battersea power station scene with her and john does call into question [inaudible 00:01:40]
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the nature of john's relationship with sherlock, regardless of what the answer is and regardless of what the show tries to define it. it might just be [inaudible 00:01:49]
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irene, despite moffat's word of god, that sherlock has [inaudible 00:01:53] it or some crap and word of mouth. but i really mean she does [crosstalk 00:01:59]
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irene, despite moffat's word of god, that sherlock has [inaudible 00:02:04] it or some crap and word of- [inaudible 00:02:07]
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is there a story on that so many [inaudible 00:02:10] i don't even- [inaudible 00:02:12]
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yes. yes. what was i thinking?
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[inaudible 00:02:17] i was about to say what. i didn't-
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[inaudible 00:02:21] i just want a movie about this character and they're like
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[inaudible 00:02:26] moffat and co. i love you but that was a little racist.
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[inaudible 00:02:29] right? why didn't he just show up? [inaudible 00:02:34]
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like other stories involving threats of blackmail of scandal in bohemia deals with the power of information.
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[inaudible 00:02:40] many characters possess critical information in the story:
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[inaudible 00:02:44] adler, holmes, the king of bohemia, but who ultimately controls the information?
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[inaudible 00:02:49] i think that's a refreshing way to look at it. i don't know, i just feel like a lot of times the stories-
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[inaudible 00:02:58] well, and that's one, the things that i like, that's one of the things that i think they actually-
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[inaudible 00:03:03] although then there's the downside of what they do about bbc and- [inaudible 00:03:09]
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i can talk about bbc for a bit because i don't have too much [inaudible 00:03:14]
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because it doesn't actually sit well with me in belgravia is again that last 15 minutes let's get
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i am sherlocked. so yeah, maybe if he'd been, i [inaudible 00:03:36] you're in love with me. she was like, no, i just like puns. [inaudible 00:03:38]
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i just want somebody to step in and go, this look shocked. right?
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but it's a- [inaudible 00:03:48].
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i'm not as familiar with the holmes [inaudible 00:03:51] as you are. but that does bug me when people are like, oh my god, i ran. and i was like, she [inaudible 00:04:00] story
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and [inaudible 00:04:00] and her weird nose, but that's not her fault.
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[inaudible 00:04:03] and then there was simsa, who also should have hung out with [inaudible 00:04:06]. basically i think the entire movie should be about mary morstan-watson, because she's flawless. [inaudible 00:04:12]
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sorry, we needed to say that at one point and i think that that was the place [inaudible 00:04:16].
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cons? well, she is still associated with moriarty
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[inaudible 00:04:22] and i think you're right there. i just feel occasionally they need to cut down on that, "oh look, sexy times." [inaudible 00:04:29]
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that in itself is a potential con. seriously when we were making this list, all this stuff we were coming up with for bbc irene was, well, could be a pro or a con, just depends on how you look at it. [inaudible 00:04:43]
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