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-and that is true within the aftermath of a natural disaster or a terror attack.
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we've seen a lot of images that have, that have come out of syria that are just heartbreaking. and we look at the context for how they're shared. that sounds kind of easy, right? like if somebody says, hah -
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this is, i think fair to say absolutely viewpoint based discrimination of the sort that if the state did it. it would be subject to the most searching of scrutiny.
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we all have these protected characteristics, it's race, religion, gender, gender identities.
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we would look to see what is the basis of that attack. if i'm saying, i don't like this person, because i like the way this person talks.
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or i don't like what this person is saying. that's different than saying i don't like this race of people. so again, sounds pretty easy.
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i'm calling for discrimination, or i'm saying these people are bad or greedy or awful or dirty or whatever. then we would consider it hate speech. and we would remove it.
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do we protect among female drivers, black children, white men.
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you know, i'm american, but i might say something like, gosh, american movie goers-
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-are so annoying. they always talk during the movie. i'm talking about movie goers-
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-in this article. and i think the guardian articles triggered a lot of discussion. so i think not that there weren't always,
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there are casually only times where you'll see the companies, including facebook say, well, such and such has really become a topic of news right now. and so we're going -
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we should test the symmetry, someone shoot hillary one, two, three,
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someones neck, make sure to apply all your pressure to the middle of her throat. i got to say, i don't even like reading that aloud,
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let's beat up fat kids.
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tends to be attacked like journalists, like activists, like heads of states where we see assassination attacks.
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post one more insult about me and i will kill you.
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want to shoot them all. or let's shoot them all. or somebody should shoot them all we would treat as a call for violence.
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does somebody spend reviewing a given thing and kind of agonizing over it,
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given facebook's primacy at the moment, it's a big social network,
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that's like, you know what world you set the standards. just tell us what to do damn it, we'll do it kind of thing.
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just on me. i'd better consider my next vacation carefully.
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this is like a chestnut, as old as facebook itself, really.
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this is like a form of self doxing. like it's not even putting the bad folks to the trouble of having to dig out who you are-
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- it awkwardly over, which is some of what's been going on in the question tool, but where has the mic found a home? oh, hello.
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it's constantly happening. and i don't think, although-
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-it's, because afterwards people come up and say, you know, i'm from turkey and you guys are making the wrong decision.
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broke my neck a few years ago. and it's like, really, it's hard for me to look, so i'm going to stand.
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and there are folks from our lumen project here who would be happy to move a car off this lot today. if you'd like to start sending them telemetry of things you've been taking down.
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this is nuts. there's got to be a different way.
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create a community that if it likes talking trash within the community, who are we to say that's hate speech.
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for the people just coming in. we've run out of chairs. don't sweat it at -
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most of these have been edited out of wikipedia by now, but i still find them funny. and of course, the other thing about wikipedia that we-
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... we know that that has been millions and millions of people. again,-
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... what we'd say to doctors is the same thing we say to educators, "use it as a jumping off point, check the citations."
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... based on wikipedia. we say the same thing that i was told as a student, "you can't cite an encyclopedia, so don't cite-"
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... i know where people become more reasonable after participating rather than less-
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... looks like within the wikimedia environment. and we're not just a website, we're a community as well.
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... not that there are licenses for the free press, but that is a very different issue. and in some places-
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... what happens is, our new realities are wobbling as... oh, sorry. our old realities are wobbling as new ones emerge. this is the context in which we-
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i'm just kidding. we began this project, we launched it. it was wikimedia 2030. i'm going to go through the-
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... and we said, "yeah, wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. have you ever heard it?" and she said-
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... in fact, most people have no idea the wikimedia foundation even exists. when we talked to people that they think wikipedia is a project-
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i spoke at the fifth anniversary. i spoke at the 10th-
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it happened even by the 10th-
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... they don't become more extreme, they become more reasonable. and the tension between those-
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... to actually be achievable. and i believe that... there's an expression in wikipedia that-
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... so, that's a political... forget the word, "political," if it mixes us us with-
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... have you had a-
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... then, oh, god, i hope not. but i think this speaks to your point, which is, i have-
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... but, it was in practice. it-
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... these values of equity-
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good question. one of my great frustrations is that over the years... and i think there's a tension here. i'll say my great frustration is that-
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... system as a whole. and i think that, that... is that ambitious? absolutely. is that something-
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hi, i have really quick question. i really enjoyed your talk and it's just... that's your note question. would you be thrilled if everyone here went home and made a-
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... people who hesitate to participate, because the idea of creating knowledge or freeing it-
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... is a little scary, a little radical. this is something that i been thinking about a lot, and-
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yeah, these are... great question, first of all, [urdu 00:04:33] may be a small language, but it is the oldest of the indic language wikipedia's. so, whoo, urdu.
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we have a soft break for people who have a 01:00 o'clock clash. there are [inaudible 00:04:43] chairs for people who are sitting along the wall.thanks you so much.
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i hate to admit that people have to defend themselves from established experience editor.
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how many people here have had a wikipedia article that they created, put up for deletion in the last year or so?
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... because we actually have data now, which we never used to really have. which is nice, we like data.
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... page. on a male colleague's who was already up-
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... protections that allow us to publish things that other parties might not otherwise be able to publish.
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i'd love that. we probably have a lot to learn.
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it used to be, i think, a month, and now it's 90 days.
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i'm much less convinced of the transparency question, and i'm trying to put some thoughts together for presentation tomorrow that we'll address that.
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why did you make that prediction? and i can give you an answer in some way that is actually comprehensible to you. and i-
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... which is that a reasonable person could look at the model and have some sense of why it predicted the way it did for them as opposed to-
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... then we predict false. you are not a proponent of transparency.
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... there was the second piece i wanted to say, which is, how hard is that... technically, it seems to be, and i won't say that we know this-
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... to be that in some cases-
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... different kinds of shapes of the head. is it a flat headed? is it a very-
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... that they they're making a decision based on this more complicated formula, not a [inaudible 00:06:29]-
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...so, i completely agree what cynthia says is absolutely right. and here's how i think about it, let's imagine, instead of deciding that mushrooms are poisonous, we're deciding why you got turned down-
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well, what could i do such that next time that won't happen? [inaudible 00:00:06]
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a lot of it can't, at least in the criminal context, can't be boiled down to what could i have done differently at the time of scoring, except for perhaps differential answers.
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again, i don't know how much that's going to advance the objectives of the public understanding what's happening
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[inaudible 00:00:27], but i'll argue even more importantly, because if you have an ordinal risk scale from one to six, for example,
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does the decision maker actually know what the difference is between a two and a three or a three and a five, perhaps, perhaps not.
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could you say more about that? i don't understand what you're saying well enough.
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it spits out three outputs, a risk of failing to appear on a one to six scale, a risk of committing a new crime.
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it would be one thing to spit out those scores, hand those to the judge initial appearance and say, your honor, let us know what you think about detention or release.
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one thing that chris's remarks illustrate is just the boring aspect of the critical, not the brain remarks.
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but really quickly to, to your point, jonathan, one of the things that we've learned in our ongoing and prospective evaluation
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[inaudible 00:01:27] psa is that, that data quality issue is one that is highly, highly fraught across the country. not because,
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so i believe that the data that are collected in each system are usually collected quite well.
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jail databases, prosecutor databases are all housed at the county level and none of them ever talk
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[inaudible 00:01:51] without that, algorithms are somewhat useless because you can't track the inputs and the outcomes in a reliable manner.
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you could see a lot of problems with those models. and it's almost a recommendation to say, "i'd rather trust a machine learning, getting feedback from the world" [inaudible 00:02:11].
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and there's sort of this implicit assumption here that well, clearly, i mean the, the suspicion around machine algorithms,
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i believe misplaced belief that humans are actually fair and unbiased.
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right now, no, we know that, that's not true. we
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just know that, that's not true. is there anyone here who wants to argue that fact?
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i'm not even sure how you can make any statements about the two of them, but i'm hoping cynthia will at some point, solve that problem. but i guess i would like to live in the [inaudible 00:02:46]
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where, the person who's ultimately making the decision, so assuming it's a recommendation,
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[inaudible 00:02:52] and in fact, take a model with some understanding of that it might be biased in certain ways and maybe there are ways
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[inaudible 00:03:00] prompt them to think about it, they actually do a little better and so maybe the model serves as a way to do that.
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probably not going to do a lot of work. i'm skipping over a lot of very specifics [inaudible 00:03:15].
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i think that they're problematic, but i don't [inaudible 00:03:21].
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