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the thing with that specific relationship...
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that's something that if you were to do in any other language, it would sound fucking stupid.
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catalogue, i don't know, a bit differentiates social interaction. so you have a way to speak to your superiors.
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for which the past tense is just irregular, which is not too
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long. so use english when you're trying to communicate or when you're trying to get your stuff out there, your work out there. it's incredibly easy to just use english and that's it,
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which it really amazes me that...
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she has no idea how to speak one word of the language.
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we know that english is the easiest one to communicate with.
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i think it's got more to do with a sense of patriotism when you're not american.
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patriotism doesn't mean the same thing that it meant when such a word was needed during times of war, for example.
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right? so you have to learn another language.
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and then the way it actually is now i do hate to. but this patriotism and i'm air quoting here,
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no. i was actually amazed when i learned that americans read more books than mexicans do. i'm like, "whoa,
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sure." i think it has to do a little with the fact that cubans are read to while they're working.
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there's cubans making cigars and one of the workers sits near a microphone and reads to the people that are working.
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i think i have a change of heart. they want to make my work in spanish [crosstalk] i'm just kidding.
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we should talk about this, publishing contracts.
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yeah, that's the spirit. okay.
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but yeah, all we've ever done is publish our work via the internet, which is... don't get me wrong, i think it's great.
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i do think you shouldn't measure your success by how much money you've made.
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but don't worry about it because you do know that podcasters get a lot of fucking money. right?
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what other points of contention can we name in this creating in english thing because
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if you're serious about your work, i think you want to bring it to the most people possible.
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so it is a natural decision that if you speak english being english-
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right now, the kind of work i'm publishing is short pieces of writing that i can translate in a day.
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translating normally doesn't take one day, a book, for example. you can't translate a book in
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a few days, it takes months.
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there are ways to express things in spanish that you can't really do in english.
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that's right. and you have to find a way to express that if you're translating. it's like, "what the hell am i supposed to do with this expression
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that doesn't really exist in this other language?"
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i mean, there's this example of that, which i love, which is the expression, "walk it off".
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and even if you do manage to translate that- it's going to sound weird.
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and that's the part of the job that takes most of the translator's job.
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trying to come up with ways to get, "what is this guy trying to say? how am i going to..."
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it's really frustrating sometimes. and i'm telling you because i publish my work both in english and spanish. and i'm
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like, i hate to translate. i write my pieces in english originally.
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so imagine doing that... i mean, i get sick of it with a piece of rough writing
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in spanish. sometimes i draw a goddamn blank in front of that screen. it's
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really funny because i'm the author, i know what i want to say,
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but i can't say it in spanish.
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and assuming again that they do not speak another language, they're not going to get this. so i want to kind of
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enjoy mexican. i get it. i mean, i get it because i do the same thing. there are works that i think... this is really funny because
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there are works of mine that i conceive and think of and only think about in english in my head,
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that the actual language that you use for that project is english,
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even if you're not natively an english speaker. it could also be the fact that you might be very attached to your native language
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and speaking another language kind of detaches you from whatever you're trying to look at objectively and all that whatever. make sense.
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they have all these different levels of love, which in spanish we don't. in spanish we like someone.
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yeah. it's weird because... and it's actually really interesting. the fact that
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i don't think you really need that crush.
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and there are works that are written the same, but because of the context you know what they want to mean.
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and in order to know what concept you're talking about, you'd have to get some context.
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why would english speaking people need so many words
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when i think that they're really used to getting meaning from context?
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you don't have a crush on someone, you just like someone.
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and you know what like means based on the context in spanish.
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yeah. in spanish, at least the gatekeepers of the language, the [foreign language 00:06:46]
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as i get it, most of the programming languages that are better, don't really have these opening and closing things.
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well, there you go. yeah. it's really, really... and it's crazy because it doesn't really take a significant amount of your time.
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i mean, if you need a mark to open a question.
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actually, you mentioned something about the attitude of nowadays invention of "too long; didn't read" tldr i think it is.
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i came across that a month ago. i didn't know what it meant.
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and someone gave me an answer
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and i had told him, thank you. i did read it. i did read all of your answer. i actually
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don't get that anyone who plays role playing games would not read something. it's like,
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"who? what person that buys a 300 pages book thinks that something is too long to read?"
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it's instructions on how to play something.
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so english is a must if you want to consume those kinds of things. i mean,
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sure that you have the subtitles in a movie and there are people that translate movies with voiceover and whatnot.
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but i think we'll agree it's not the same. no. no, it's not. and the fact is you still have to speak english if you want to translate.
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and that's just another thing, because if you have this work in english and you want to translate it in spanish, you would think that you would contract someone who actually speaks the language? yeah.
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it's so, so sober task what they do with this text. yeah. it is. especially with titles.
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titles for movies and what... it's wow. does really make sense.
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there are some really few, a minute percentage of the movies made in mexico that does suck.
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and please hear me out. they don't suck. they do not suck. i'm not saying they are good.
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the thing is we have all this entertainment that comes to us in the form of translated media.
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why not cut the middle man, if you're already consuming so much culture that comes from another place.
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there are people who say that they want to keep their culture pure, for example, but they only want to have their heritage-
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i don't think that's a valid claim nowadays. no, it isn't because we live in a globalized society now.
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when the internet wasn't around then you actually had an excuse to say that you will never interact with people who are not from your own local community.
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and not just american. before the internet, before the american influence came to mexico...
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and hold on, try to stall. okay. say something while i think. okay.
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and actually the mexican revolution was the first, what's the word? i'm sorry.
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the mexican revolution was the first historical... account? account.
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yeah, the first historical account to have been documented in video
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with themes and subjects that were relevant for their time. yeah. and,
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one of the things that i found really interesting,
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there is a culture of inconsistency when it comes to being productive.
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the fact is very few people in mexico that are independent, actually finish what they start off to do.
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makes sense. yeah, that's true. and it really amazed me that even back then someone saw that.
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isn't that just sad? it is. it made me sad. it made me sad. and it's one of the first things i tell my students at my school
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when studying the history of movies.
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because i mean,
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i don't like the golden era movies from mexico, which is the way they call them.
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but we do have this other culture, if you will, or this other industry: soap operas.
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we do. i mean, some of you guys who are mexican and watch soap operas, and also go into the internet to look for podcasts on storytelling,
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which i'm going to guess is the majority of our listenership. audience.
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yeah. but, i mean, they're still soap operas, but they're good soap operas. if that's possible, if the concept actually exists.
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two other formats that they use... sherlock, for example. each season, it's just three episodes.
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but there was a year... i don't know what happened. i want to look into it, but i forget to do it.
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it turns out that normally they're a yearly thing, every series. sure.
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