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i think franklin's right about this. in fact, i think that one of the reasons trump is softening... by the way, this is a brace that i got at a taylor swift concert.
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oh, my god. yay!i'm pointing that out.
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... a long way from gregorian chants, my good fellow [crosstalk 00:03:23] a long way.
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but that's where, by the way, real human community takes place, is at large-scale pop concerts. it's not at a large-scale political rally.
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i'm definitely drinking to that. like, in all sincerity.yeah
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now i've lost track of what i was going to say. i'm sorry.
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yeah, it was awesome. no, but-
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oh, oh, trump. one of the reasons i think he's softening the... franklin, will you agree with us? do you agree with this?
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so i've recently become convinced that there's, like, a third of gop voters who are like actually, actively dangerous people.
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i think there's a third of gop voters who are extremely militarist, who are really...
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it's like that song that sean hannity, proving my point, used to open his show with, "we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the american way."
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so glad he's moved on to florida, georgia line. jesus christ. he's bad at everything. sorry, go on.
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yeah, and maybe it's me, especially being, living down in here in the south and...
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... and being around people who really want to put boots in people's asses...
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... is, at least, a third of the gop...
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... and that's why i've always thought that rand paul was just wasting his time.
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can i just say this? one of the reasons that ron paul's not succeeding is because he's not blowing the dog whistles.
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mm-hmm (affirmative).he's pro criminal justice reform, he's sympathetic to the plight of african-americans-
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... and deals with the criminal justice system.
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he looks like he wants to be there.
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i agree with you, lucy. i totally [inaudible 00:00:31] you.
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you and i don't even need to discuss this.
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by which i mean, what do i mean? i mean racism, antisemitism, misogyny, fascism-
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... but as franklin said, there's a lot of gop voters that are very dangerous.
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right, yeah. i mean, just, again, a trump kind of deal. i was rooting for lincoln chafee because he was just a precious, little [inaudible 00:01:04].
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i agree with you, what you just said. i mean, it was straws that he was grasping.
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it is. [inaudible 00:01:11] is a neo-con? i mean, come on. these people have these names for a reason. they can't be trusted.
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[crosstalk 00:01:18] at home.
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he is not going to get you involved in the sort of conflicts that you would get involved with in a [crosstalk 00:01:27].
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i don't want to even begin to choose one of those because i can't.
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they're all unique [inaudible 00:01:36].
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yeah, it was that.
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they couldn't get ron paul elected. they better not get trump elected because that's going to piss me off.
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that may be exactly what's happening here, and i will say. i've met a [crosstalk 00:01:55].
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we should have all dressed up for this, i guess. this is actually happening. okay, that's happening.
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one thing, i suppose... actually this sounds like a jeffrey tucker thought, but since he's away i'll say it.
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halloween. one wonderful thing about halloween is how flexible a holiday it is. i mean, you can basically be anything and look any way you want, and you're still participating in the holiday, right?
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so that's pretty exciting. it's a very modular, adjustable holiday.
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unless your costume is politically incorrect, in which case you will [crosstalk 00:02:29].
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use that slogan in 45 minutes, it's captivating.
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a whopper or a big mac? it's got to be a whopper because there's tomato.
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that is the most jeff tucker costume of our time. that's phenomenal. that's beautiful. it looks pretty delicious, too. i'm impressed.
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is anyone else wearing something? you don't have to put it on right now, but does anyone else have costume plans in their lives or are you sad and adult?
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no one has ever accused me of being an adult.
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no. although my costume choice is one of those things that only old people are going to get-
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... because i'm going as joe flaherty's character from sctv, count floyd.
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i have a costume anecdote from childhood that may say something about me.
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i only vaguely remember this, but it's been repeated to me by my parents that-
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... when i was three years old, first time i went trick or treating, i was dressed as the disney character goofy-
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... but so developed already was my sense of morality and truth telling which have stuck with me, i think, to this day that-
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... as i trick or treated, i would assure families i'm not actually goofy.
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i'm actually todd [crosstalk 00:03:57].oh my god, are you an atheist skeptic?
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i didn't want to get candy under false pretenses.
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i want to say that one of my finest costumes was from a couple of years ago, and i do the opposite of the topical costume. i'm apparently like a hipster [inaudible 00:04:15] because-
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... no one ever gets my costume, but i was winston smith.
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i put on a goalie helmet, from my friend, and i got a bunch of plush racks, and i kind of just put them in there. then i tried to look really shitty.
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so i was winston smith being subjected to the worst thing in the world, in room 101. it's very literary of me. this time, since i've been playing fallout 3 a lot and
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enjoyed mad max, i'm going to do some kind of apocalyptic wanderer.
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or i feel like a dead civil defense person, zombified, would be a little darker, but also fun.
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so something nuclear, which has been the theme of the year or something.
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it does. anyone else? joe, did you forget how to talk?
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well, my best thing [inaudible 00:01:18] was i got to be rudolph, and it was a full costume. so nobody knew who i was.
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and the anonymity was kind of fun, and just kind of go out and...
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it was just in college too, so i knew everyone, nobody knew me. and it was kind of fun. but not to throw a wet blanket over everyone's halloween...
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...celebrating. but as far as my generation, basically since 21 and before that really...
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...it's basically just an excuse to get drunk and make bad decisions with basically anonymous...
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you know, it's a weird... i think it's my generation in particular.
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i'm not saying it's a bad thing. i'm just saying that is why halloween appeals to...
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well, and the mean girls thing with the sexy girl costumes, which i have a very anti-third-wave feminism style.
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...girls?well, the part in mean girls where it's explained how girls dressed for halloween. poor caddy has...
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i didn't understand this. i mean, like i...
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i mean, no girls dressed in sexy [inaudible 00:02:33], so that's all... that's mean girls?
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so that's... but i never understood how this cultural change took place.
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i don't know. it's just what...
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it's an excuse to be as scantily clad as possible in public, if you're not some sort of stripper.
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it goes to like 40-year-olds, you know? like there's a whole... i think there's like a 20-year kind of age group that all...
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i realize i've seen costumes. i mean, sexy nurse and sexy catholic school girl.
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actually, the website college humor, which rarely has any humor...
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they have this one great video from... and it's a few years old now, called girl's costume warehouse.
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and it's a fake commercial for a warehouse that sells halloween costumes for women. and they're all sexy costumes. it's...
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but you can't do a joke about sexy costumes, because it's all been done.
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this drives me nuts. sexy is fine, but the implication that as soon as the woman dresses up, it should be sexy...
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i'm sorry, todd, it's getting a little [inaudible 00:03:41] up in here. you have to just suck it. it just really bothers me that the assumption is, well...
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and there's also sort of a mocking element. like if your female firefighter costume is literally a red bra and a hat...
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to me, it suggests like, "isn't that cute? she's playing a firefighter, and the dude's going to dress up like a firefighter."
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it's just annoying. like i was googling mad max female costume...
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and i was like, "oh look, you're dressed up like mad max, except you forgot your shirt and your pants, and you're wearing fishnet stockings, which is very bad for the apocalypse."no, those...
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those are just the actual mad max costumes, i think.
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well, no, no, no, no, no. i didn't... no, it's... no, but yes, i mean, there are some... point partially taken, but still.although...
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that was so awesome, jeffrey. i loved it. i wish i'd seen it in theaters.
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the feminist story short, although this could be a topic for another time...
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i certainly have nothing against tomboys, strong women, or women who know how to use crossbows in the wasteland. it's the whiners that i'm complaining about most of the time.
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by the way, my signal went out for a minute earlier and i hope it didn't cause any confusion.
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oh, god. so many topics i wish we could talk about all night long.
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your passion, lucy, i mean, you're passionate about sexy halloween costumes.
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that is not good. even i'll give todd that one and say that's actually really bad if that's true.
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yeah, it's all been done. but the joke has been killed because it's all a joke. it all... sexy costumes all the way down. sexy turtle costumes all the way down.
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it's already done. i would say we should someday have a feminist debate podcast, but that might get a little angry.
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joe, this is libertarianism. it's usually me and seven dudes, which is...
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anyway, on that euphemistic childishness, maybe we should wrap this up, you guys.
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