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the practices, the cultural resonance, that develops from the practice in...
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get into bed with those people.
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hopeful development because white folks will say, "well, i'm scott."
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pissed about the murder of another black body and...
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all of the fucking tweaking around the edges. right? that's...
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walk down with ak-47s walking down the street, right? and white people lose their-
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i love the fact that white people don't want to hear that. and they complain. it makes me...
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you can't get that anymore. fuck you. that-
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i... you all right with me dealing with the horror of saying a black man be murdered...
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his fucking face. you all right with that? with me? right? but you get uncomfortable when black men and then their teammates and their white teammates-
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it ain't stopping. it's going crazy. everywhere you turn, everywhere you turn, you going to be uncomfortable until you change-
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i'm going to keep screaming in your fucking ear. you're going-
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and culture and what i call somatic abolitionism as a white body who believes in that? i need to find another fucking church, right? that's how real this shits gotten-
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we ain't going back. we ain't going. you watch hockey players kneeling with their black [inaudible 00:00:26]. fucking nascar. this is-
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if you subscribe to next economy now, or just recently started tuning in...
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been able to pull off after that clinical pilot program.
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you all so much for joining me today on next economy now.
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we're thinking about where we are. we're right on the border of north and south carolina.
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social worker and lcsw. and i had years of experience working both before grad school, and then through grad school.
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... rule area, i was stunned at the lack of resources we had and the negative impacts that that caused, so-
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noticing that in every county i drove through-
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on some of the trips out, there was a fourth prison. and then i discovered-
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... but also because of a drop in prison population in north carolina-
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... because of sentencing reforms that had finally gone through these-
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... small units were closing. and so, north carolina is an interesting place. it's-
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... ground zero for the country to try to answer the new question of what to do with old prisons.
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... in the originals, and the originals were selected to be part of a clinical-
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and to bring them together to help us.
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we'll go out to eat, and let me say, going out to eat was an incredibly important clinical step for us-
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... and then we would have group meetings. at the beginning when we would talk to the youth or when i would talk to the youth about we're going to help them-
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... to the man, they thought that was really corny or lame at that point, and i thought i was the-
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... youth-empowered model for how we take these field camp prisons and turn them into sustainable farms and community resources where we can generate jobs-
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... through a triple bottom line approach where we're respecting the planet, where we are serving the needs of the-
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... helping to instill hope in an area where hope is kind of the dangerous notion-
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norman and raven, by way of introduction and we'll come back to both of you. could you share-
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and anything else you'd like to share for our listeners to help them kind of imagine what's it-
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and i want y'all to start talking about bee-keeping, and so he gives us these beehive friends, and he gives us this beeswax and he's like, okay, i want you to-
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coat this beeswax on these frames for our video series.
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... [inaudible 00:01:51] coated these beehive frames, and then day two, our friend shannon from cooperative extension, which is this fellow group-
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... [inaudible 00:01:59] the bee-keeping expert, and she just gave us a little bit of some tips and tricks about what color to wear, what-
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... the things bees like, what things bees don't like, and we watched norman and her replace this beehive at our local farm. and then day three, me and norman actually, or norman and i actual-
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and, yeah, there's so much to go into here, and one of the questions that's coming up for me, and feel free to anyone who wants to-
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you mentioned the ability to have this-
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sort of generalized suite of skills. that is so important, right? and so underappreciated.
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... funding and philanthropy that many of our urban neighbors enjoy, and let's be-
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... able to develop this idea so that we can give it away to the 300 communities in the u.s. trying to figure out what to-
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to do with the closed prison, right? it's not something we even think about-
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it's the youth and the power of that innovation that i think help-
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... of your biggest successes around this project that you'd like to share-
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but what are you, yeah, what are you learning right now that you'd like to share, or what's a-
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... doing. so, we'll teach you aerated static composting or share what we've learned in the pasture, poultry-
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i think it's also important to note that it was the original youth that we brought together who were kicked out of home, kicked out of school and put on-
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... 2% effective in preventing entry into the adult correctional system, 92%-
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... the worst community. we believe that that's going to potentially even go beyond systems change, even maybe some frame change-
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we are at this moment in history and people are rising up and reclaiming some of the common space and removing-
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i'm glad you mentioned the community aspect because i know we only have a few more moments here, but i wanted to ask you-
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struggling frankly right now with how do we communicate across differences, across biracial lines, across-
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... economic class lines, and from what i understand, your team has diversity. you-
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... is weaving, what's the economy where i even didn't know that you have this kind of open sourced model and i'm so inspired and grateful, just-
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... tremendously humble and grateful for you for that vision that you're putting a part in the world. how can we-
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... to day, and if you do want to help the united states answer the new question-
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... more of our citizens than any other developed nation in the world, you want to help rethink-
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... on our website, growingchange.org, and if not to us, please try to get involved with the decarceration movement in general. that is central to the civil right-
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... and really, really grateful, very grateful. thank you for-
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if you subscribe to next economy now, or just recently started tuning in-
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... were not met by the system changing that i wanted from that. i wanted in the-
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there's a co-op movement now in new orleans and there always has been and it's really a part of the culture, but there wasn't-
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we go about things differently and there wasn't a way to really gel us together, a way to support different styles of communicating and pleading.
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and they found that there were these things coming up, like meetings where they were just going way longer than they wanted.
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too. felt like a lot of people were repeating each other and no clear decisions about what actually came out of that.
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then they can become toxic over time and really harm-
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and the tool is really used to see where power is at right now using power-
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implicit things more explicit and maybe a role, somebody has a new role and you consent to give them power over whatever.
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... newer [inaudible 00:04:27]. they often make decisions through consensus-
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... beginning, but at some point it starts to slow them down, and it starts to not feel good because they constantly have to make everyone happy about a decision.
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so, at round sky, we can all spend $75 without permission.
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... practice is what we call it, and we use these things called tension driven meetings, and it's a way of collaboratively building a-
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so our teams that are cooperative being a change from manager employ-
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this person would bring up this proposal and each person on the team. and the idea is that if you're in a meeting on this team, you have-
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the person who has that objection and the team and the person that brought the proposal will work together to think about, well, what changes would be made that's-
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... know, and it can be helpful to not have to feel like you need to cater to everyone on your team, then it can be helpful because-
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... meeting can be unclear to put on agenda. i feel overwhelmed that i don't know where to put my time-
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... actions or behaviors, they can voice that, and that person near-
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we really encourage teams to be more comfortable bringing up things that are even micro and small-
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... happen because sometimes people feel so frustrated at work because they say things, they give input about something, even-
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... that things are shifting and that their input can be used and people are developing with all their team, then things ease up. and sometimes it's just too late. we-
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... [inaudible 00:05:36] day because each day you get an email sent you to about a specific piece to reflect on for yourself and how you want to-
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... lead, facilitate, so someone who would be unsuspecting that doesn't usually maybe get in front because often the person that's in front the most has implicit power or/and explicit-
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... education and information and conferences are clearly a great way to get that, but they're not-
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that's my job is to interview them before and some exit interviews-
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... be really impactful ones, like the decision-making toolkit that i mentioned, which is-
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people co-op. so, we're tiny but mighty and anyone you think that might be interested in our work-
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we can only get so far, and letting us know what you're looking for. because we're so small and because we have these ways of being able to move our-
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so much for being on the next economy now podcast.
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if you subscribe to next economy now, or just recently starting tuning in-
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that's kind of like seared into me that we can be horrible to each other as human beings and really be coercive to an extreme place.
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seek different companies trying to give themselves an easy out with a formula. at the end of the day, having those conversations-
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at the same time. i don't have to just sit there and project all these awful things on what this person could be doing to me.
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so much is wrong from a to z, right?
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... in 2019 with three aa degrees in business, socio-
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