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... gather is that her students in both groups can interact on those documents together so that they can still-
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okay. everybody, thank you so much, deanna, and really thrilled to have you here with us and thank you, team. we'll see what we and who we hear from next.
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so excited to see your face today and especially knowing that we are going to get to talk to candace and veronica. i've been looking forward to this for weeks. i want to-
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thank penguin random house for putting candice's book in our hands. and as you know, brian, we were so excited that after we read the book, the first thing we said is we know who would be the-
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i would like to tell everybody about candace.
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... in new york city, the women in poetry and hiphop celebration at the original f. lewis museum in baltimore, where she performed as nikki giovanni. oh my goodness.
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... in writing from lesley university and her work has earned her fellowships from lambda literary and vona, among others. everybody looking is her first novel
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and her website is at wwwbecomeher.com. and i'm super excited. i read this book a few months ago and couldn't wait to get it on the show
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and start teaching it, which i've already are doing in workshops. and i love this book, and i'm excited to have her here today with my friend, my buddy, my colleague
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and was featured in the book continuing the journey: becoming a better teacher of literature and informational text. she also is a former, excuse me, state coordinator of nctes and guest
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sharonica has a new book of poetry unapologetic, that is out this fall. and listeners can learn about her more at sharonicanelson.com
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to you, and [inaudible 00:01:36] and penguin, and the national writing project for this opportunity. i am beyond excited and i'm trying to contain myself ,because i've also been stalking candace
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yeah, a little bit of fan girl thing going on over here, but let's jump right in. so the writing prompt for today is, there is an old
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[crosstalk 00:01:57] that goes, "we can't always choose the music life plays for us, but we can choose how we dance to it." at the conclusion of the novel, ada, literally.
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the weather in alabama was windy and rainy today, and she was kind of nervous, but got you. i don't know where she went. so anyway,
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i have maybe already talked to you about this, because it was a very surprising joy in my...
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shelter in place life, to have become really intrigued with birds
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so i have spent most of my life, maybe i watched the movie "the birds" too young, but spent most of my life really afraid of birds. like, i just
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but this spring, when i started staying home and working in the same
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many of them had babies in the nest
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and i suddenly became very interested and enamored of them. and so we have crows, and then we had some
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oh, what are they called? these birds that come in a flock. and we have this pyracantha tree, which has these orange berries, and the birds flock all at once, wherever they go. and it'll
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you would pick up and read because you're interested in the story. and so it is a novel inverse, and i mentioned that mainly because
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it is a story that i had to
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and thinking like your whole life's just going to be amazing, it's going to be different, you're going to just go out and do these big things in the world. and showing up to campus and
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who i am, and what i've experienced has followed me, right? so it's followed me to this new place, i'm still the same person that i was bef-
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was trying to leave childhood, and these memories, and traumas behind, and realizing like, "no, i'm going to have to face that and face the fact that..
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i'm a different person than what i've been told i'm supposed to be my whole life.".
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thank you so much for that lovely response. i mean, because it just really encapsulates the book. i just enjoy
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i enjoyed reading this whole tale of leaving home, and going to college. and i share the same sentiments, because you're right, you do think that
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you know, you have this one idea of what college is going to be like and who you could even become. and then sometimes it doesn't out that way, you know?
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end up meeting new people, and sometimes we learn to appreciate who we really are, as a part of meeting those
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okay. but yeah, so i just enjoyed reading her story and definitely saw a lot of myself through the story. and so i'm just going to ho ahead and
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as a novel inverse, because my background is in poetry, and that is how the story came to me. so the story came to me in shorter lines and
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rhythm, and so it was really important for me to tell the story in the way that it was coming to me, rather than the way that i've seen a lot of
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of novels written, which is in rows.right.and also, like i said before, is that i really wanted the story to not be told linear. so
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i wanted to go back and forth between present day main character, and who she was as a child. and so that the reader could make connections
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and so in order for me to do that in a way that made sense, and that was enjoyable for the reader and not too confusing, inverse just seemed very
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i think you did a superb job in doing that, because like you mentioned, you don't want to confuse the reader, but it is just so action packed
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and so few words, that it was really easy to follow. and for me it was even very emotional. and so i found myself having this emotional connection
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to the book, and to the things that she was going through. and i like how you start off with her graduation, which is a huge point
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in any of our lives, at high school graduation, and then you immediately meet her mom and just all those issues. i won't tell
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from the beginning, start off with this huge milestone and it just takes off from there. like i said, it really resonated with me
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anything else to add tot hat question, i'm going to move on to the next one. and i would like to know, this is something i've been thinking, and thinking, and thinking about
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were there any other titles that you considered, and if so, what were they or some of those? and how did you feel on this one? so, every body looking, that's the title
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up until like the end of last year, i think, either the end of last year or the beginning of this year, i can't remember. but it was supposed to be her name
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that i was going to get frustrated with the fact that most people were not going to pronounce it correctly.
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yeah, because that's what the book is about. the book is about what that word means, which means to be the first daughter, literally in igbo language, to be the first
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daughter, and have all of these responsibilities. and so i didn't really think too much about that title. and then when i decided i needed to change it, i went through a whole
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just like, kind of what you go through when you're writing a book. i had several rounds and drafts of things that sounded like titles that would work
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it points directly to the heart of the story, which is
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and also it's about the gaze, like several gazes that we have throughout our lives, like
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watching us. and so there were some other titles that were competing with this
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but yeah, i kept thinking about being watched, and being seen.mm-hmm (affirmative).and the difference between those two things.
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absolutely. i love that. and like i said, i had kind of gone back and forth in my mind several times, trying to figure her out
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you know, exactly what you were getting at. i guess that's all readers do, like "well, what does she mean? well, she could have meant it this way or she could have meant it that way.", so i've been having this
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right, okay. i'm going to go on to the next question. so we've talked a little bit about the title. now i want to know, what was your process.
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of writing this novel, and ensuring the flow between the chapters? so you kind of mentioned why you chose the novel inverse, and how you kind went back and forth, but can you
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go a little bit deeper into, how did you make sure that it flowed
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like, you have an experience and then your brain pulls up a memory that you're reminded of suddenly. and so you.
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you smell a fragrance, and it reminds you of your grandma, or you walk down a certain block and it reminds you of an old neighborhood that you used to.
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live in. and so i allowed my brain to kind of do that, as i was working on the story. and then i also, as someone who had.
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i wasn't just worried about the story itself in the connections, but i was also thinking about being
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evocative with the sound, but i'm also thinking about what does our brain really do when we're having life experiences and how can i tell this?
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but i mean, i'm being honest. there's no better way to explain it but there were certain points where i kind of teared up and
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just with the most, just a lot of emotion but again, it was so powerful because you did not use a lot, whole lot of words. and i was like, how is she doing?
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so many of those pieces can be used as an example, really an exemplar of how to capture so many emotions
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concisely and to just really... i guess not really teach the kids how to go there emotionally.
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things make us think and like you said, if you ask the right one, i think the kids, even us adults will find the right words to say if the right question is asked that's
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where's my opinion. remember this is... we're just having a conversation, i'm learning stuff too.
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okay. i'm going to move on, and it is so hard because i really want to give an example of what i'm saying in the...
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of what i'm referring to in the book that i know that's a no, no, because it has not come out, but i have like all these passages and there and there and there she did this,
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there and this piece and that passage, it was just so beautiful, so beautiful at britain. all right. i'm going to...
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what advice would you give to
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readers and writers as they go to experience your book, but then also if they want to try and capture experience
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so well in so few words? and i think teachers would want to know if there were any strategies if anything came to mind again, we mentioned.
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so i mean, i talked about this with someone recently and i don't...
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i feel like there's a very little that you can get a
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writer of a young age to do,
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i guess it... my advice would depend on who i'm giving it to, but i feel like as far as teachers are concerned, the best writing that you're...
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focus on what happened and i'm honest about what i observed and what i felt
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with and that they think they need to keep while they're in school grounds. if we can, yeah, if those things can somehow be
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removed by feeling safe, a whole bunch of things just happen when it comes to kids being storytellers and
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getting comfortable with ourselves and setting up the environment and the spaces for ourselves to feel safe enough to just tell the story.
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all the way about that i think those are great tools, but i share the same sentiments with you that, when we become a safer place when kids know
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that it is okay to spill your emotions out on the page in my classroom. and then there will be no judgment.
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so i think you're right and thank you for reminding us of that.
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to get yourself as a writer, or if you're working with a writer to get them to say more than less, so you have more to work with.
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and so i've noticed kids just start to us talk a whole lot around me once they realize they're not going to get in trouble and once they realize i'm interested in what they have to say.
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and so there's way more, it's like there's more to work with on a creativity level. and then you're just working with
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a student to reel it back in, that's just revision. it's like, oh, you have everything here, you have all the things here to make something really, really compelling.
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now we just have to figure out what we can cut out, what we don't need and your story will be right there.
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one of your fondest memories of teaching, writing?
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and of him, so i don't know how... i guess i found out about that when we were doing a free ride one day and he told the
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story of a fight that he had. and towards the end of the free ride he kind of described how fighting made him feel,
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where i created this specific issue, where they had to tell a story of a defining moment
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very, very
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intense detail surrounding how fighting makes him feel, how he feels afterwards, where he learned it from ,all of that. and after
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i read his essay, i came across this book that i also... i can't remember what the book was. i wish i could remember it, but i gave it to him
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to read halfway through it. and i guess he comes back to me one day at the end of class and tells me, he knows exactly why i gave him the book
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