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null | technomancy | null | How long until people start trying to beat this in other languages? | null | 0 | 1141839815 | False | 0 | c2usr | t3_2ugx | null | null | t3_2ugx | null | 1473821969 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | haliquim | null | Here's a real world example that may be a bit better.
I have a VW Jetta that I absolutely love, but there is a big useability issue. The seats have three controls on them. A black tab in the front, which makes the seat slide forward and back. Thats totally normal, almost all cars have that. The others though, ar... | null | 0 | 1141843491 | False | 0 | c2uus | t3_2tst | null | null | t1_c2u0q | null | 1473821970 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | glomek | null | As Larry Wall has pointed out, the usefulness of a language is inversely proportional to the number of philosophical axes it has to grind. Part of the reason for Perl's popularity is the fact that you can write Perl in a Fortran, C, or Lisp style. There is an idiomatic style, which most Perl shops enforce culturally,... | null | 0 | 1141843985 | False | 0 | c2uvk | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t3_2uh2 | null | 1473821970 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fnord123 | null | I already did. I'm the winner. | null | 1 | 1141845133 | False | 0 | c2uwt | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2usr | null | 1473821972 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | I swear, one article about a language gets linked onto Reddit, and the next thing you know, that language is all that's being talked about.
Its not necessarily a bad thing, just fadish. | null | 0 | 1141845324 | False | 0 | c2ux1 | t3_2ugx | null | null | t3_2ugx | null | 1473821972 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141845853 | False | 0 | c2uxd | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2usr | null | 1473821972 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tvon | null | A better title would be "small Tcl code example". The LOC is entirely unimportant and just feeds the language trolls. | null | 0 | 1141847686 | False | 0 | c2uyu | t3_2ugx | null | null | t3_2ugx | null | 1473821972 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Rafe | null | I'd say they're more like moods than fads. | null | 0 | 1141847715 | False | 0 | c2uyw | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2ux1 | null | 1473821972 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sblinn | null | you fail it:
bitchx: not found | null | 0 | 1141852115 | False | 0 | c2v1g | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2uo4 | null | 1473821973 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | leoc | null | So: continuations are goto invented by mathematicians, while goto is goto invented by physicists? :) | null | 0 | 1141853284 | False | 0 | c2v29 | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t3_2tp9 | null | 1473821975 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sblinn | null | actually a better title would be "small Tk code example". i love Tcl but loathe Tk. i am not quite sure why. | null | 0 | 1141855586 | False | 0 | c2v3u | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2uyu | null | 1473821975 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wilsonma_reddit | null | <edit>
I've been following the SICP lectures about programming :-
http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/
(Lecture 9a explains them)
| null | 0 | 1141857650 | False | 0 | c2v52 | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2ur9 | null | 1473821976 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kipe | null | Similar statistics (based on manual Google searches):
http://www.jrandolph.com/blog/?p=24 | null | 0 | 1141859169 | False | 0 | c2v62 | t3_2v5n | null | null | t3_2v5n | null | 1473821976 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | robbie | null | Disclosure: I just submitted a Steve Yegge page and got a karma boost from it.
I personally don't mind people submitting individual pages from a blog. I don't mind it when they do it with Paul Graham even tho I've read them all, I don't mind it when they do it with Joel Spolsky, even tho I only like 50% of his writi... | null | 0 | 1141860622 | False | 0 | c2v6s | t3_2tmn | null | null | t3_2tmn | null | 1473821976 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | seanodonnell | null | This really works. My team works to a 5 or 6 line rule , I dont think we have any methods that stretch to twenty. | null | 0 | 1141862709 | False | 0 | c2v7q | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821977 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | knew I should've held back on the Tcl bashing a little.. Now its supporters are gonna hit us were it hurts!
I do like this example though, at first I was sure that it'd just use some external IRC library. Ah regex's. | null | 0 | 1141863336 | False | 0 | c2v87 | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2uyw | null | 1473821977 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ozone | null | Sean, most people find 20 lines too short already! I fully agree though: the shorter, the better. Depending on the language 5 or 6 might be too short (exception handling in java already takes 4 lines!). | null | 0 | 1141863392 | False | 0 | c2v89 | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2v7q | null | 1473821977 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | leoc | null | The "remaining work to be done" explanation is more understandable in the light of [The call stack is not a history](http://calculist.blogspot.com/2006/03/call-stack-is-not-history.html) ([reddit entry](http://programming.reddit.com/info?id=2mug)). | null | 0 | 1141863541 | False | 0 | c2v8d | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t3_2tp9 | null | 1473821977 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bluetrust | null | That's a good point, error checking takes up a bit.
For example, in ruby:
begin
structureStack.pop
rescue
raise "Too many closing markers in syntax file"
end
I like the idea of trying to keep a program down to 20 line methods or less. I've got to try it.
(Aw hell, on edit, my comment had its return m... | null | 0 | 1141864513 | False | 0 | c2v8y | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2v89 | null | 1473821977 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | leoc | null | See also http://reddit.com/info?id=2u0x . The subreddit system is really starting to annoy me. | null | 0 | 1141864982 | False | 0 | c2v9l | t3_2v1l | null | null | t3_2v1l | null | 1473821978 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sk43999 | null | Nice article, especially the emphasis on the dynamic nature of the language, which is what scripting languages ought to be all about and which TCL does better than most others.
I have worked for many years in a group that develops large (multi-hundred K LOC) applications using TCL and C language extensions. We have... | null | 0 | 1141868878 | False | 0 | c2vb1 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821979 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lanaer | null | And Borges and Wee in Ruby. | null | 0 | 1141872228 | False | 0 | c2vcd | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2ubi | null | 1473821979 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Ruby on Rails is already overtaking Zope, and Zope has been around for quite some time while Rails has only existed for a little more than two and a half years. Its only a matter of time before Rails becomes prevalent in web development at this rate.
The only thing stopping it is the fact that many hosts still don't... | null | 0 | 1141877566 | False | 0 | c2ve5 | t3_2v5n | null | null | t3_2v5n | null | 1473821980 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shaurz | null | Do'h! That was my idea ;-) | null | 0 | 1141885721 | False | 0 | c2vgz | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821982 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vagif | null | Your assumption is based on wrong judgement.
You think that this rate of adoption is gonna stay constant.
But that is not true.
In reality rails already hit saturation point.
After initial rave, masses of mediocre programmers rushed to try RoR and quickly found out that promised wonders of miraclous web application... | null | 0 | 1141892252 | False | 0 | c2vke | t3_2v5n | null | null | t1_c2ve5 | null | 1473821983 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wilsonma_reddit | null | <edit>
These links will be helpful:-
http://www.double.co.nz/pdf/continuations.pdf
Ch20 (page 258) of Paul Grahams book:-
http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html
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null | johnmudd | null | From my armchair this sounds great! And maybe it's okay for trivial application. Although in reality I maintained code that followed such a rule and it was an inefficient and difficult to follow mess. Maybe the rule is good but implementations vary.
Or is this like Java? Don't try it unless you're shielded by ... | null | 1 | 1141903655 | False | 0 | c2voi | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821986 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kiveat | null | XP in its pure form has a customer (a business decision maker who knows what is needed and can decide priorities) who is "on site" with the team | null | 0 | 1141904824 | False | 0 | c2vox | t3_2vou | null | null | t3_2vou | null | 1473821986 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ozone | null | Thanks John for the feedback. Obviously our experiences differ, I won't crucify you for that! Just a remark: we have been using this rule while developing non trivial applications (>70k code base) and the benefits have been obvious, the drawbacks... well... what drawbacks? | null | 0 | 1141905400 | False | 0 | c2vp3 | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2voi | null | 1473821986 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | qazwsx | null | "For any consistent formal theory that proves basic arithmetical truths, it is possible to construct an arithmetical statement that is true but not provable in the theory. That is, any consistent theory of a certain expressive strength is incomplete." [Wikipedia]
The writer is close, isn't he? | null | 0 | 1141905576 | False | 0 | c2vp5 | t3_2t8j | null | null | t1_c2upr | null | 1473821986 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | johnmudd | null | You have a "5 or 6 line rule" but you're not absolutely certain that none stretch to 20? Now that's a rule I can live with. | null | 0 | 1141905622 | False | 0 | c2vp6 | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2v7q | null | 1473821986 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | weeksie | null | Fair enough, and that's a very good point. I only posted this because there was something like three posts from his blog on the front page and I figured if everyone was so interested in him then there might as well be a link to the entire collection. | null | 0 | 1141907646 | False | 0 | c2vpr | t3_2tmn | null | null | t1_c2v6s | null | 1473821986 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | The problem with rules is that some people will apply the rule even when the rules do not apply! This is a recipe for avoiding thinking - Those who have worked for a large company ( Government contract, and those CMM whaterver certified ) know what I am talking about - (in real life - think airport security !!). Now, b... | null | 0 | 1141907956 | False | 0 | c2vpu | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821986 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ozone | null | This is NOT a recipe for avoiding thinking: it forces you to think! A method that both opens a connection to a database and opens a file is obviously very poorly abstracted. Refactoring it would lead to much cleaner code. Show me your code and I'll show you the refactoring! | null | 0 | 1141908207 | False | 0 | c2vpw | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2vpu | null | 1473821986 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | robbie | null | It's good. I just read one of his posts by following your link , so both methods clearly work. Everyone's a winner. We should all have a group hug :) | null | 0 | 1141908922 | False | 0 | c2vqa | t3_2tmn | null | null | t1_c2vpr | null | 1473821987 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davidw | null | No, the title worked just fine because it got you to click on it/care enough to write a comment;-) | null | 0 | 1141909031 | False | 0 | c2vqe | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2uyu | null | 1473821987 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | > After initial rave, masses of mediocre programmers rushed to try RoR and quickly found out that promised wonders of miraclous web application buildings are nothing but a sales bait. Scaffolding is not going to do a work instead of you. And building good web sites still requires lots of work even in Rails.
> ... | null | 0 | 1141915865 | False | 0 | c2vso | t3_2v5n | null | null | t1_c2vke | null | 1473821987 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141917672 | False | 0 | c2vtp | t3_2vpx | null | null | t3_2vpx | null | 1473821988 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fnord123 | null | First off, the article is called "Style is Substance", not "Syntax matters in programming languages".
Anyway, from the article...
>"Blah blah blah enforced style rules"
[Why should I care what color the bikeshed is?](http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/bikeshed-full.html). People argue over style rules becau... | null | 0 | 1141918111 | False | 0 | c2vu0 | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t3_2uh2 | null | 1473821988 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | technomancy | null | Leave it to Why the lucky stiff:
http://redhanded.hobix.com/bits/smircerCloneOfTheLittleTclIrcClient.html | null | 0 | 1141921359 | False | 0 | c2vvj | t3_2ugx | null | null | t1_c2usr | null | 1473821988 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hxa7241 | null | First, he doesn't definitely say whether it's lines or lines of *code*. Second, McConnell, in 'Code Complete,' reports that there is no research to back-up the value of small functions. Third, functions can be structured internally into blocks, mitigating the complexity of length.
Nevertheless, a short function rule... | null | 0 | 1141921490 | False | 0 | c2vvl | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821988 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141922392 | False | 0 | c2vwa | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2voi | null | 1473821990 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hxa7241 | null | Means of avoiding thinking are *valuable*. They have to steer in the right direction though.
Some software parts are ad-hoc sequences. That is their essential structure. Breaking them into separate functions obscures them. Care must be taken in such cases. | null | 0 | 1141922451 | False | 0 | c2vwd | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2vpu | null | 1473821990 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | seanodonnell | null | Well yeah, we are all adults. If someone needs to go to 20 lines they are free to do so. In some cases it can help readability. I suppose guideline would be a better term for it. 95% of the time it is adhered to though. And the codebase is over 500kloc. | null | 0 | 1141922569 | False | 0 | c2vwg | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2vp6 | null | 1473821990 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | seanodonnell | null | There are ways and means to get around javas bulky exception handling code. Use Errors instead of exceptions and wrap commonly used apis | null | 0 | 1141922651 | False | 0 | c2vwj | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2v89 | null | 1473821990 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | alexfarran | null | The squeak code browser certainly seems to fall short on this issue. It's not due to any inherrent problem with dynamically typed languages though. The Smalltalk Refactoring Browser http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/~droberts/tapos/TAPOS.htm manages more complicated tasks. There are things that static typing can help with, ... | null | 0 | 1141925585 | False | 0 | c2vys | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2tkr | null | 1473821991 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | senzei | null | He called the masses rushing to try rails mediocre, not the all of the people using it. Beyond that he is right, it *is* harder than PHP because it requires you learning more than just a language.
Really though a months worth of yahoo search statistics only tells you that RoR is in vogue, not that it is doing better... | null | 0 | 1141930031 | False | 0 | c2w2n | t3_2v5n | null | null | t1_c2vso | null | 1473821993 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141930772 | False | 0 | c2w3h | t3_2w2v | null | null | t3_2w2v | null | 1473821993 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | senzei | null | I'd say it is more an example of calling something as you see it. Spend some time interacting with python people and you will see that most of them are nice. If anything the community has gotten more friendly over time. The permafrost comment is right up there with BSOD in windows and clumsy GUIs in linux, possibly tru... | null | 0 | 1141931046 | False | 0 | c2w3l | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tru | null | 1473821993 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jbgreer | null | No. In this case, R stands for 'Ruby', not just 'R'. | null | 0 | 1141931423 | False | 0 | c2w3r | t3_2o90 | null | null | t1_c2pyj | null | 1473821993 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | senzei | null | This really does not say all that much. Yes it is a big, impressive number, but what kind of hardware was involved? How does the workload distrobution compare to other platforms? If RoR can handle 2.5 million requests in a day, but takes three times as many servers, (along with applicable license and hardware support c... | null | 0 | 1141931434 | False | 0 | c2w3t | t3_2u7f | null | null | t3_2u7f | null | 1473821993 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jbgreer | null | They aren't. Theya re worried about R)uby. | null | 0 | 1141931444 | False | 0 | c2w3u | t3_2o90 | null | null | t1_c2p8w | null | 1473821993 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vagif | null | Yes i did try RoR and I read both books Axe and RoR books.
In PHP you can create a dynamic db web-face in a matter of minutes, without even learning anything at all.
In RoR you have to learn ALOT in order to bind DB to web page.
In fact you have to read a few chapters minimium before you are able to put simple db gr... | null | 0 | 1141931445 | False | 0 | c2w3v | t3_2v5n | null | null | t1_c2vso | null | 1473821994 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | senzei | null | > Python style. That and some of us are afraid to use a language where the creator has talked about removing "map", "filter", "reduce", and "lambda" just to force people to program in a more "Pythonic" style.
He is talking about removing them because python supports what they do in a different way, and is much fa... | null | 0 | 1141931952 | False | 0 | c2w44 | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t1_c2uvk | null | 1473821994 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | senzei | null | I can see your point. RSS would remove a lot of the value in slashdot or reddit, for example, but it is good for a lot of other sites. | null | 0 | 1141932298 | False | 0 | c2w48 | t3_2rlr | null | null | t1_c2t64 | null | 1473821994 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | technomancy | null | Adding servers is a hell of a lot cheaper than spending programmer time on optimizing SQL queries.
In Rails, licensing is free, unless you're silly enough to deploy on Windows. | null | 0 | 1141936340 | False | 0 | c2w6d | t3_2u7f | null | null | t1_c2w3t | null | 1473821994 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | technomancy | null | My guess is that most of the people who are disagreeing with the 20 lines rule haven't read Martin Fowler's _Refactoring_. He makes a great case for putting readability first, and one of the best ways to do that is to extract methods when things get unclear. (It's better than commenting.)
Of course, this only applie... | null | 0 | 1141937269 | False | 0 | c2w6q | t3_2v7f | null | null | t3_2v7f | null | 1473821996 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Strangely its the week before finals.. is this the only time that space was availible? | null | 0 | 1141944143 | False | 0 | c2wbs | t3_2w2v | null | null | t3_2w2v | null | 1473821997 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | johnmudd | null | Guideline! Yes, that sounds better than "rule".
500kloc, wow! Well, I guess it's to be expected that breaking code into small functions leads to a higher overall line count.
Still, 500kloc! If the average module is five lines of code then there are... calculating... 100,000 modules?! | null | 0 | 1141944257 | False | 0 | c2wbw | t3_2v7f | null | null | t1_c2vwg | null | 1473821997 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | robbie | null | I have to say I'm not loving the subreddits so much. I keep clicking a link, and then getting trapped in programming reddit, and not realising it. | null | 0 | 1141944767 | False | 0 | c2wc5 | t3_2v1l | null | null | t1_c2v9l | null | 1473821998 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | budu3 | null | I agree. Most students will be doing their finals. | null | 0 | 1141947479 | False | 0 | c2wdb | t3_2w2v | null | null | t3_2w2v | null | 1473821998 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jlrobins | null | Who knew -- nice closures, anonymous functions, introspection. Somewhere in the language tree between something like python and lisp in imperative C clothing.
Got spidermonkey (Mozilla's C implementation of Javascript) running standalone thanks to http://majuscule.blogspot.com/2005/11/compilling-spidermonkey-on-os-x... | null | 0 | 1141956675 | False | 0 | c2wht | t3_2vpx | null | null | t3_2vpx | null | 1473822001 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | The only major defiency with JS that I can see is the fact that it has no input or output (at least according to the article). Kind of limits what you can do with it. | null | 0 | 1141959471 | False | 0 | c2wj7 | t3_2vpx | null | null | t1_c2wht | null | 1473822002 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | No, you are very right about you being required to learn quite a bit to get things going in RoR.
But if you have to learn quite a bit in RoR, you have to learn A LOT to use Zope. I just see a bunch of very smart people in the RoR community. | null | 0 | 1141959639 | False | 0 | c2wjb | t3_2v5n | null | null | t1_c2w3v | null | 1473822002 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | johnmudd | null | Sounds like a mix of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?", and Nancy Reagan, "Just say no". | null | 0 | 1141961102 | False | 0 | c2wka | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t3_2uh2 | null | 1473822002 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dmh2000 | null | why do they need to know age? To screen out old folks? That's not very diversity friendly. Why not ask sex, race, religion, nationality and sexual preference while you are at it. | null | 0 | 1141962403 | False | 0 | c2wkq | t3_2w2v | null | null | t3_2w2v | null | 1473822002 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lupin_sansei | null | Very cool.
I have also been using perl's WWW::Mechanize modules for web testing:
http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/WWW-Mechanize-1.18/lib/WWW/Mechanize.pm
and the module that automates IE with the same interface for testing sites that need the Javascript to be rendered:
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-IE-... | null | 0 | 1141964113 | False | 0 | c2wlf | t3_2wi4 | null | null | t3_2wi4 | null | 1473822002 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | joshuajestelle | null | Age is a relevant factor to who will be successful starting a startup... read http://paulgraham.com/start.html
Paul Graham mentions being too young means investors won't take you seriously, and being too old, you're likely to have more other commitments in your life, as well as not having the stamina for the long ho... | null | 0 | 1141966540 | False | 0 | c2wms | t3_2w2v | null | null | t1_c2wkq | null | 1473822004 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | exogen | null | Still works for me. | null | 0 | 1141968153 | False | 0 | c2wnk | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wnc | null | 1473822004 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jamesbritt | null | Ruby's WATIR, and WWW::Mechanize, are also quite neat and have saved me much time and trouble automating Web tests and tasks.
The WATIR docs give a nice example of driving a browsing session using Ruby's IRB shell. | null | 0 | 1141968305 | False | 0 | c2wnm | t3_2wi4 | null | null | t1_c2wlf | null | 1473822004 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | exogen | null | Looks nice and generally useful, but I'm very disappointed in their Flash requirement. What's so special about their form creator that requires Flash? I can't even try it out to answer this question myself because Flash 8 does not exist for Linux. Web developers, proprietary technologies are bad... | null | 0 | 1141968340 | False | 0 | c2wnn | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822004 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | JimThome | null | Is anyone keeping a list of all these "new Y Combinator startups"?
Seems like it might be entertaining a year from now, after the hype has died down, to go back and look at it. I mean, it sure seems like *"It's written in Python"* and *"It uses XMLHttpRequest"* is being confused with stuff like *"I have a business ... | null | 0 | 1141968717 | False | 0 | c2wny | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822004 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | exogen | null | > What other restrictions might be added later that could force me to go reformat and/or rewrite thousands of lines of already working code?
Python has an excellent backward-compatibility record. Nobody's talking about removing those features until Python 3.0, which makes no claims about being backward-compatible... | null | 0 | 1141969116 | False | 0 | c2wo7 | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t1_c2uvk | null | 1473822004 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | exogen | null | ...but can I use it to build a form that builds other forms? | null | 0 | 1141971081 | False | 0 | c2wp9 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822005 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tilto | null | I just put up http://yrumors.infogami.com which is basically just a list of Y Combinator companies. | null | 0 | 1141971716 | False | 0 | c2wpo | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wny | null | 1473822005 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | I love the irony in using a Y Combinator startup to reply to JimThome's statement. | null | 1 | 1141972003 | False | 0 | c2wps | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wpo | null | 1473822005 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tilto | null | I should think of some reason to put a form on the site. :) | null | 1 | 1141972560 | False | 0 | c2wq5 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wps | null | 1473822005 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141972939 | False | 0 | c2wqb | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wnn | null | 1473822005 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141973026 | False | 0 | c2wqc | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wpo | null | 1473822005 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tayssir | null | This is his [second wind](http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/13/0420226&mode=thread). Chopped up into two parts because his answer was longer than Slashdot could accomodate in one post. | null | 0 | 1141973107 | False | 0 | c2wqe | t3_2wfe | null | null | t3_2wfe | null | 1473822005 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141974668 | False | 0 | c2wqt | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822005 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | exogen | null | The graphing I can understand, but the other two cases don't sound like they should require Flash. I'm sure it makes stuff easier for your development team, but it sure doesn't make anything easier for me. Linux users are left out in the cold with Flash 8. | null | 0 | 1141975116 | False | 0 | c2wr0 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wqt | null | 1473822005 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vagif | null | Who says a word about Zope ?
Zope as any other extremely complicated solution will never be a rival to php/asp
Same is true for RoR, Tapestry, Turbogears, you name it.
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null | Zak | null | I understand why you needed to use flash... but flash 8? I can't run an OS that doesn't suck on the hardware I want to use that supports flash 8. It isn't usable with flash 7, so... it isn't really usable for me at all. | null | 0 | 1141977538 | False | 0 | c2ws0 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wqt | null | 1473822006 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | smokey | null | Or JimThome using a Y Combinator startup (reddit) to make his initial gripe. | null | 0 | 1141979714 | False | 0 | c2wsp | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wps | null | 1473822006 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | paulgraham | null | Yes. We did design it to minimize the disruption in
people's lives, though. That's why it's only one day,
and on a Saturday. | null | 0 | 1141980165 | False | 0 | c2wsv | t3_2w2v | null | null | t1_c2wbs | null | 1473822006 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | paulgraham | null | There's less here than meets the eye. It's simply to compare to other questions like what you work at, and (esp) what you've built. It would be unfair to hold someone who was 18 to the same standards as someone who's 30. | null | 0 | 1141980386 | False | 0 | c2wta | t3_2w2v | null | null | t1_c2wkq | null | 1473822006 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | johnmudd | null | Is it driven by server side Python?? | null | 0 | 1141984806 | False | 0 | c2wv9 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wqt | null | 1473822008 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mikkom | null | YCombinator invests so small amounts of cash that if I was them, I would invest to almost any even remotely interesting idea.
Usually vc's need some percentage of their companies to succeed in order to be profitable. Because YCombinators investment is only a tiny share of normal (even seed phase) investment, they ca... | null | 0 | 1141985751 | False | 0 | c2wvg | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wny | null | 1473822008 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tomdunham | null | Tried it from work this morning. I can't get onto the first page of the demo. Thumbs down.
I notice that it doesn't "really" support IE6, but their working on it. IE has over 50% of the market. FF has 25% max and Safari a fraction of a percentage. (I got those figures from [w3schools](http://www.w3schools.com/brows... | null | 0 | 1141989370 | False | 0 | c2wwc | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822008 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fnord123 | null | I get two horizontal blue lines across the front page on firefox 1.0.7 on windows xp. I don't get it on firefox 1.5.0.1 on kde. | null | 0 | 1141991344 | False | 0 | c2wwk | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wqt | null | 1473822009 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | site down as of a couple of minutes to 7am eastern time
ok now its back up....what are the two horizontal blue lines i see in Firefox? all the way across the page....
and regarding: "making forms easy + fast + fun"
why fun? this is work | null | 1 | 1141991827 | False | 0 | c2wws | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822009 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | beza1e1 | null | ...so could we build a turing-complete form generator? | null | 0 | 1141996444 | False | 0 | c2wya | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wp9 | null | 1473822009 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | http://ycombinator.reddit.com | null | 0 | 1141997769 | False | 0 | c2wyr | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wny | null | 1473822009 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Not a lot happens if you try and use it without a high enough version of flash - there should be a warning or something. Rather than leaving me there wondering why it isn't working. | null | 0 | 1141998072 | False | 0 | c2wz1 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wqt | null | 1473822009 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ekoleda | null | No IE support, confusing interface, generally ugly graphical design, this thing sucks. People need to stop launching Web 2.0 applications when they are still months away from being useful and bug-free. | null | 1 | 1141998141 | False | 0 | c2wz5 | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wwc | null | 1473822010 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | theycallmemorty | null | Am I the only one that thinks this is actually a pretty cool site? | null | 0 | 1141998949 | False | 0 | c2wzi | t3_2wmf | null | null | t3_2wmf | null | 1473822010 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1141999587 | False | 0 | c2wzt | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2wr0 | null | 1473822010 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kwatz | null | Even on Windows, I'm sure a relatively small number of people upgrade to the latest & greatest Flash. And consider that a good hunk of the people who do upgrade often probably don't need to use a tool to make web forms. | null | 0 | 1141999620 | False | 0 | c2wzv | t3_2wmf | null | null | t1_c2ws0 | null | 1473822010 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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