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null | suttree | null | A look at the rise and (subjective) fall of dynamic languages like PHP, Python, Perl and Ruby on Rails. | null | 0 | 1141744305 | False | 0 | c2t99 | t3_2t97 | null | null | t3_2t97 | null | 1473821940 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | joshstaiger | null | Tcl always seemed quite nice to me after having read Philip Greenspun's Tcl for Web Nerds:
http://philip.greenspun.com/tcl/
Incidentally the lack of a strong benevolent dictator is one of the main reasons I think Lisp has floundered in recent years. | null | 0 | 1141744400 | False | 0 | c2t9h | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821940 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | You are *right*, people outside the Tcl comunity may think it's strange
a language is so damaged for the lack of a benevolent dictator, but
there is no way, multi-head design does not work, what you get is
averaging. Even worse when there is to do a "strong"
design decision and there is no agreement the result is o... | null | 0 | 1141744650 | False | 0 | c2t9l | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2t9h | null | 1473821941 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | leoc | null | Evidently not. | null | 0 | 1141745020 | False | 0 | c2t9v | t3_2s4i | null | null | t1_c2s4k | null | 1473821941 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davidw | null | Well, dicts *are* slated for 8.5, but it's been a long time in coming... | null | 0 | 1141747271 | False | 0 | c2tbx | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2t9l | null | 1473821941 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | yes but no syntax. In theory dicts should replace arrays, or have an
alternative sytanx so I can just user $a|foobar| to get a key and
set a|foobar| to se it. | null | 0 | 1141747444 | False | 0 | c2tcb | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tbx | null | 1473821942 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jlrobins | null | Nothing illuminating here. Move along. | null | 0 | 1141749381 | False | 0 | c2te7 | t3_2sv5 | null | null | t3_2sv5 | null | 1473821942 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | chkngrrl | null | I use it every day to keep up with professional literature (table of contents of many journals are sent out via RSS), keep up with what my colleagues are writing about (see any directory of librarian blogs), and keep up with what my friends are writing about. I have a few news-type RSS feeds in my subscription list, b... | null | 0 | 1141750523 | False | 0 | c2tey | t3_2rlr | null | null | t3_2rlr | null | 1473821942 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davidw | null | One of my favorite things about Tcl is not really a language feature per se, but more an aspect of "Tcl, C Library". It was originally written that way, and it shows, because you can access everything (or just about) from C in a way that's pleasant to use. | null | 0 | 1141750581 | False | 0 | c2tez | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821942 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | From neutral-point-view, [Tcl](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl) | null | 0 | 1141751284 | False | 0 | c2tfl | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821944 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recoil | null | The author makes his case very well. There probably is an over-emphasis on the possibilities for refactoring that static types buy you, but he doesn't address several of the other features of mainstream Java IDEs that are only possible because of static type information, but which aren't strictly anything to do with r... | null | 0 | 1141751802 | False | 0 | c2tg1 | t3_2sek | null | null | t3_2sek | null | 1473821944 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | noir | null | Congratulations Antirez. After reading your article I'm more open minded about TCL. | null | 0 | 1141751817 | False | 0 | c2tg2 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821944 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recoil | null | Another thing that probably negatively affects peoples' perception of Tcl the language is the crumbiness of the Tk toolkit, at least under Unix (as far as I can tell, under windows it looks more or less like windows). Easy though it may be to code for, the way it looks is, well, horrible. | null | 0 | 1141752327 | False | 0 | c2tgg | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821944 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | I'm very happy to read this. Thank you. | null | 0 | 1141752347 | False | 0 | c2tgh | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tg2 | null | 1473821944 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jaymaj21 | null | Tcl rocks. Tcl to scripting languages is what C is to compiled languages, simple small footprint, least hairy implementation. I am not sure, but I've got a hunch that it is the most efficiently parsed scripting languages.
Here are the top few points I like about Tcl.
1. Lack of comma in list syntax (ideal for subl... | null | 0 | 1141752969 | False | 0 | c2tgu | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821944 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | Yes, also many people think that the main thing is Tk, and Tcl is just
a way to make it at work... btw there is a good effort going on about
the look&feel of Tk that should be integrated with Tcl at some time.
It's called Tile IIRC. | null | 0 | 1141753088 | False | 0 | c2tgv | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tgg | null | 1473821944 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | Actually the jim interpreter (http://jim.berlios.de) is 10k lines of code
and includes most Tcl features + closures, garbage collection,
and more. I'm tempted to write a version of jim in 1000 lines of code
just to show this point! Btw your reasoning about a possible future where
government bans free software, or e... | null | 0 | 1141753338 | False | 0 | c2th3 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tgu | null | 1473821944 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | alexfarran | null | Have you used smalltalk? I've had a play around with squeak and it's code browser certainly has a lot of the features you're asking about. Perhaps the image based nature of smalltalk works as a substitute for static type information for code browsing and refactoring. | null | 0 | 1141753481 | False | 0 | c2th4 | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2tg1 | null | 1473821944 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jlrobins | null | Expect extension _is_ the best thing since sliced bread if you need to control terminal applications. It was the killer TCL app in, oh, say, the early 90s since it would drag you into learning TCL just so you could script that telnet session.
I had a 30KLOC expectk application. I shudder to think about it nowadays, ... | null | 0 | 1141754491 | False | 0 | c2thk | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821944 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jlrobins | null | Oldie but goodie. | null | 0 | 1141756396 | False | 0 | c2tio | t3_2tha | null | null | t3_2tha | null | 1473821945 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | So Tcl is *better* than python... why?
In the opening paragraph he sais he will prove this but never does. Aside from size on disk and maybe using more memory, why is Tcl a better tool for the job? | null | 0 | 1141757293 | False | 0 | c2tj2 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821945 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Yes, I am now learning Tcl. | null | 1 | 1141757566 | False | 0 | c2tj7 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tgh | null | 1473821945 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | which job? | null | 0 | 1141757679 | False | 0 | c2tjc | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tj2 | null | 1473821945 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | They scare me, because every time I work in them, my time gets sucked up debugging typos and using runtime debuggers just to find out what type my objects are. Once the codebase has grown to half-a-million lines of code or more, I can only imagine the pain.
Dynamically typed objects are great in moderation and in t... | null | 0 | 1141758115 | False | 0 | c2tk1 | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2sml | null | 1473821945 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | I wanted to disprove that Tcl is worse in every aspect than Python.
And actually there are tons of things where Tcl is superior, just to
mention one: language flexibility. Python is not programmable like
Ruby and Tcl for example, you get what they want. No switch/case?
live with it. No x.y.z feature? No way to chan... | null | 0 | 1141758151 | False | 0 | c2tk3 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tj2 | null | 1473821945 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | I'm anything but hardcore. I'm just really lazy and don't like digging through source code to discover what type of object method X just returned and what it's capable of. Nor do I like spending a couple hours only to realize I typed "udpate" instead of "update". | null | 0 | 1141758232 | False | 0 | c2tk5 | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2sn5 | null | 1473821945 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Because dynamic typing is great in moderation.
I wouldn't waste my time programming with pointers. I have no idea if you consider them typed, nor do I care. | null | 0 | 1141758305 | False | 0 | c2tk8 | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2t06 | null | 1473821945 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recoil | null | Of course I was forgetting about Smalltalk, so thanks for reminding me... Smalltalk does indeed have a better implementation for method finding, etc. than tags files.
IANASP (I am not a Smalltalk programmer), but as far as I can tell, it's still not up to what the Java IDEs can do, though it's probably close enough... | null | 0 | 1141759016 | False | 0 | c2tkr | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2th4 | null | 1473821947 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ttriche | null | Paul Graham he's not.
That may be a good thing; I'm not sure. Interesting flurry of postings to reddit from this guy's blog, some good, some not so good. I'm starting to think the best material has been covered. | null | 0 | 1141759891 | False | 0 | c2tlj | t3_2t8j | null | null | t3_2t8j | null | 1473821947 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | femol | null | about time | null | 0 | 1141761140 | False | 0 | c2tmu | t3_2tmn | null | null | t3_2tmn | null | 1473821947 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | leoc | null | This is a duplicate of http://programming.reddit.com/info?id=2s4i . | null | 0 | 1141761455 | False | 0 | c2tn2 | t3_2tmn | null | null | t3_2tmn | null | 1473821947 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | weeksie | null | didn't see it, sorry :) | null | 0 | 1141761793 | False | 0 | c2tnc | t3_2tmn | null | null | t1_c2tn2 | null | 1473821948 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | enjahova | null | I read a lot of his articles before, but I had not read this one. I thought it was pretty interesting, thinking of error checking as making your code selfaware. I still hate dealing with exceptions though. Thinking of what happens in the right case is the problem we want to deal with, it can sometimes seem like so much... | null | 0 | 1141762405 | False | 0 | c2to0 | t3_2t8j | null | null | t1_c2tlj | null | 1473821948 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Zak | null | I find it interesting that there's no mention of the big open-source databases in the article's list of database types. SQLite and BerkeleyDB are embedded, but what about Postgres, Firebird and MySQL?
This seems like databases for corporate drones. | null | 0 | 1141762703 | False | 0 | c2to4 | t3_2sv5 | null | null | t3_2sv5 | null | 1473821948 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tayssir | null | His ["drunken blog rants"](http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/index.html) are all available in one convenient place.
While there are parts that of course people will disagree with and take with a grain of salt (as with anything), his blog is notable for his "polygot" view, which impressed me enough that I re... | null | 0 | 1141763339 | False | 0 | c2toe | t3_2t8j | null | null | t1_c2tlj | null | 1473821948 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sblinn | null | I use Jacl almost every day at work, and AOLServer is a fine, fine web server. My co-workers think I am insane, but I do love Tcl. | null | 0 | 1141764461 | False | 0 | c2tpb | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821948 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | csbrooks | null | I disagree. I found it to be an informative article. | null | 0 | 1141766359 | False | 0 | c2tr8 | t3_2sv5 | null | null | t1_c2te7 | null | 1473821949 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Yeah, it's not like you can implement tail recursion <http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/474088> or anything in pure Python.
Or any number of things. Your comment is plainly ignorant. | null | 0 | 1141766459 | False | 0 | c2tr9 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tk3 | null | 1473821949 | -11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | leny99 | null | Nice site for webmasters to get some feedback. | null | 0 | 1141769238 | False | 0 | c2tt6 | t3_2tt0 | null | null | t3_2tt0 | null | 1473821951 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davidw | null | Here's one - multiple interpreters, handled from within Tcl itself.
Granted, for many people that may not be useful most of the time, but when you need it, it's handy.
Tcl's threading and internationalization are also very nicely done.
Tcl also comes with something (event/select based programming) akin to Twis... | null | 0 | 1141771730 | False | 0 | c2tve | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tj2 | null | 1473821952 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | [deleted] | null | "TCL was adopted by Oracle Corporation and is used for several of the Enterprise Manager (OEM) Event and Job scripts."....see:
http://www.orafaq.com/faqtcl.htm | null | 0 | 1141772655 | False | 0 | c2tw5 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821952 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davidw | null | I'm a big Tcl fan, but mostly the Python guys are friendly and helpful, I guess the comment above is an exception.
I remember meeting Guido at the Linux World conference in 1999, before Python got as popular as it is today. A very nice, down to earth guy who was pleasant to talk with. Mostly, I've found their comm... | null | 0 | 1141773505 | False | 0 | c2twh | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tru | null | 1473821952 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | a1k0n | null | Me too. I was actually astounded after I pasted the simple "current time" server code into tclsh. I'm just kicking myself for ever screwing around in C (or Python even) to do the same thing in so many extra lines of code (or after installing a bunch of stuff when tcl is already everywhere)
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null | sblinn | null | By the way, Jacl is the administrative scripting language for IBM's WebSphere Application Server, which also includes Jython. (Both are great environments if you have to script Java at all.) | null | 0 | 1141774584 | False | 0 | c2twv | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tpb | null | 1473821952 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sblinn | null | Exactly, which is why writing an AOLserver C module is so clean.
http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/Writing_your_first_C_module | null | 0 | 1141774769 | False | 0 | c2twz | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tez | null | 1473821952 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jayhog | null | Good article. Will Tcl 8.5 have a native OO framework, I wonder. | null | 0 | 1141779736 | False | 0 | c2tzd | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821954 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | chu | null | Not many photos but a few have a dogme-type thing going for them. Unfortunately, the templates are hideous. | null | 0 | 1141780523 | False | 0 | c2tzk | t3_2txs | null | null | t3_2txs | null | 1473821954 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | I don't want to say Python isn't powerful, but I think it is possible to
distinguish between two major designs in programming languages:
1) Few ideas used to create all the rest: Lisp, FORTH, SmallTalk,
Tcl, Joy, ...
2) Tool-based where there are a number of built-in stuff
that the programmer can use to create pr... | null | 0 | 1141781265 | False | 0 | c2tzs | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tr9 | null | 1473821954 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | This does not explain very well why Tcl is now not popular and Java is ;)
I'm not sure that Greenspun's arguments are right. I tend to think that
when the IT industry started to grow programmers started to be not
always hackers. Every year the hacker/average-programmer factor
was smaller, and powerful languages are... | null | 0 | 1141781937 | False | 0 | c2u07 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tzg | null | 1473821954 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | roberthahn | null | I find this article to be interesting for what it doesn't say more than what it does. The basic tenet of usability I cannot argue with; indeed I try to uphold it wherever I can in my work.
So, I think I'm going to tell a story.
I drive a Toyota. My first Toyota was a RAV4, and, coming from a Ford, there was a l... | null | 0 | 1141782650 | False | 0 | c2u0q | t3_2tst | null | null | t3_2tst | null | 1473821954 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | chrchr | null | a) Statically typed languages somehow save you from needing to know the types of your objects?
b) "udpate" style typos only take you a couple hours to find if you never run your code. | null | 0 | 1141783037 | False | 0 | c2u0u | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2tk5 | null | 1473821954 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Andys | null | Am I the only one who is still confused after reading that article? :( | null | 0 | 1141783382 | False | 0 | c2u12 | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t3_2tp9 | null | 1473821955 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dhain | null | Also interesting (maybe) is that he mentions SQL Server in his example about tools, and he lists "the registry" as the second example of alternative places to store information. He's obviously a Windows programmer, and I don't know any non-corporate drones that willingly program in Windows. | null | 0 | 1141784938 | False | 0 | c2u1o | t3_2sv5 | null | null | t1_c2to4 | null | 1473821955 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | johnmudd | null | Ah, now I see too. Thanks!
It's very similar to the old [setjmp() and longjmp()](http://www.thinkage.ca/english/gcos/expl/c/lib/longjm.html) in 'C'. Sort of a super GoTo capability that allows travelling back in time to a previous location and state.
Rarely used in 'C', I wonder what all the excitement is about... | null | 1 | 1141786400 | False | 0 | c2u2d | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t3_2tp9 | null | 1473821955 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | soegaard | null | Daniel Friedman's Applications of Continuations <http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/appcont.pdf> is indeed a much better text for learning about continuations.
Although Queinnec's excellent book LiSP is must-read for interpreter/compiler aficionados, it's a bit hard-core if
all you want is to learn the ... | null | 0 | 1141786803 | False | 0 | c2u2l | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2twk | null | 1473821955 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | [deleted] | null | Nice article. I last used tcl in the early 90s and had written it off as hopeless. But I see that's too simple a view.
BTW, what happened to tcl's founder?
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null | davidw | null | John Ousterhout has a startup he's working on:
http://www.electric-cloud.com/
from what I recall, he basically cashed out of Scriptics at the right time, the support/services/tools for Tcl company he founded during the dot com days, setting himself up pretty well. The new startup uses Tcl too, of course.
He r... | null | 0 | 1141801934 | False | 0 | c2ua5 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2u6r | null | 1473821959 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | The current excitement is probably more closely related to Ruby than anything else. | null | 1 | 1141803256 | False | 0 | c2uap | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2u2d | null | 1473821959 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Zak | null | Continuations are occasionally used as an abstraction in web programming to make web forms look like function calls. Examples I know about include Viaweb, UnCommonWeb (a Lisp webapp framework) and Seaside (a Smalltalk webapp framework). | null | 0 | 1141805852 | False | 0 | c2ubi | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2u2d | null | 1473821959 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | bobdole | null | Continuations seem to be one of these things you just can't seem to grasp until everything falls in place and you suddenly understand them. I guess that rephrasing the standard explanation as saying that "a continuation represents the future of the current expression, what will happen to the result of that expression" ... | null | 0 | 1141809497 | False | 0 | c2ucm | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2u12 | null | 1473821961 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hopeasul | null | Very well introduced. Thank you. | null | 0 | 1141811842 | False | 0 | c2uda | t3_2t7m | null | null | t3_2t7m | null | 1473821961 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | - it is faster
- it is easier
- it has *real* object orientation (by means of extensions Itcl, Xotcl, ...) - not this "self" juggling like Python
- it is extensible
- it is reliable and consistent
- it has cool deployment facilities (tclkit, freewrap), which Python does not have | null | 1 | 1141817042 | False | 0 | c2ufo | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tj2 | null | 1473821962 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | there is a dict extension for 8.4 for ages now. I reality, it is dict from 8.5, extracted and made as extension.
regarding the array removing - do you like to have removed a functionality from the core language that you have used in several 10000 lines of code before? You really want to fix the breakage that comes out... | null | 0 | 1141817440 | False | 0 | c2uft | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2t9l | null | 1473821962 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | I can't consider Python, because there is already Java ;-) | null | 0 | 1141817625 | False | 0 | c2ufw | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tzs | null | 1473821962 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | Not even a *for* loop... | null | 0 | 1141817725 | False | 0 | c2ufx | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tk3 | null | 1473821962 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | It is discussed: http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/257 - and I hope strongly that it will be in 8.5.
Especially since the proposed object system sounds really good and useful. I don't know of another language having such a powerful and flexible object system. | null | 0 | 1141818123 | False | 0 | c2ug0 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2tzd | null | 1473821962 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antirez | null | I agree with many of this points, but there are a few not true.
- it is faster: untrue, Tcl is slower than Python in many algorithmic tasks.
- it has real object orientation: a feature that only Ruby, SmallTalk, SELF,
and a few other can claim.
For all the rest, I mostly agree. | null | 0 | 1141818156 | False | 0 | c2ug3 | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2ufo | null | 1473821962 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eckyl | null | Well, let's put it this way: Tcl feels faster than Python, from a user's point of view. I always see it when I compare big UI applications written in either of the two languages.
For algorithms: neither Python nor Tcl were made for heavy number crunching. That is where the clean C interface of Tcl comes in handy ;-... | null | 0 | 1141820032 | False | 0 | c2ugu | t3_2t7m | null | null | t1_c2ug3 | null | 1473821962 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lisp-hacker | null | People shouldn't worry about coding style this much. Code is readable with most styles used. | null | 0 | 1141827681 | False | 0 | c2ukj | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t3_2uh2 | null | 1473821965 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wilsonma_reddit | null | Where he says good programmers litter their code with checks, he makes it sounds as those its ad-hoc!!!
I did find this article interesting as I am currently reading about recursion etc and working through "The Little Schemer" at the moment. | null | 0 | 1141829355 | False | 0 | c2ulw | t3_2t8j | null | null | t3_2t8j | null | 1473821966 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wilsonma_reddit | null | Is it not equivalent in C++ to instantiating some objects and calling methods on them:-
firstsite = new remember(1234);
secondsite = new remember("ABCD");
firstsite.mark();
secondsite.mark();
!!! I need to think some more about this! Can't grasp it. | null | 0 | 1141829685 | False | 0 | c2umd | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t3_2tp9 | null | 1473821966 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | [deleted] | null | "readable" is different from "comprehensible" | null | 0 | 1141832178 | False | 0 | c2une | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t1_c2ukj | null | 1473821966 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fnord123 | null | Here's a graphical IRC client in 1 line of code (written in Bash):
bitchx &
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null | a1k0n | null | The light went on for me while watching the [90-minute Scheme-to-C Compiler](http://reddit.com/goto?id=13m2) presentation. Once you see how the continuation-passing-style transform really works, it should make some sense.
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null | entropyfails | null | The funny part for me was when he says, "... Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, which staggered the mathematical world in 1931 by proving that no formal system is powerful enough to derive all of the true or false statements in that system."
He needs to read the book again as he obviously missed the entire point if he ... | null | 0 | 1141835368 | False | 0 | c2upr | t3_2t8j | null | null | t3_2t8j | null | 1473821967 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Taladar | null | It is not the same. You can e.g. create a continuation inside a callstack of recursively called functions and then when you continue there it will go back up the complete call stack. This dynamic part is the interesting thing about continuations (if I understand them correctly). | null | 0 | 1141837576 | False | 0 | c2ur9 | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2umd | null | 1473821969 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | timmacfarlane | null | Good point. But I think we'd just move the game from lexical coding style arguments into semantic coding style arguments, like the use of design patterns, when to optimize, whether to use a functional style or not, how much refactoring to do, whether or not to unit-test, for what and how much, big classes or small ones... | null | 0 | 1141838569 | False | 0 | c2urx | t3_2uh2 | null | null | t3_2uh2 | null | 1473821969 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bobdole | null | You have to be careful, though, iiuc, Continuation != CPS (and you can use CPS transforms to implement other things than continuations). It's a bit obscure, though, and I suppose it does help to see how it can be implemented (similarly for monads). | null | 0 | 1141839512 | False | 0 | c2usg | t3_2tp9 | null | null | t1_c2uos | null | 1473821969 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | a) statically typed languages know the types of my objects, and can therefore tell me. The source code tells me too - it's right there to see. Wonderful self-documenting feature.
b)run my code all the time - a typo in one particular file doesn't necessarily get executed all that often and the error messages don't ... | null | 0 | 1141839790 | False | 0 | c2usq | t3_2sek | null | null | t1_c2u0u | null | 1473821969 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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