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bitwize
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One of the neat things about Smalltalk is that interfaces are implicit. If an object calls out to another object under the assumption that it's of a given class, an object of any other class can potentially masquerade as the expected object, provided that it implements or delegates all of the required methods. What's worse, in Smalltalk all objects support #become:, a method to swap the references to any two objects throughout the runtime, allowing one object to appear to 'become' another to any of its clients. My mind was blown the first time I saw an example of a class representing a bitmap image on disk: whenever any attempt is made to access the image, it first loads the image from disk into an in-memory image object, and then.'becomes' the new image. Remember that C++ and Java weren't what Alan Kay had in mind when it comes to object-orientation!
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sabas123
t2_by3ez
You should just read it
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veldrin92
t2_i15igvg
I play Screeps, it's fun
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ecejtbx
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adriang133
t2_pcp9f
This was a pretty long read that basically said... nothing.
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chownplus
t2_4wfgh
Do you not have to do something similar in Rust when you want to crash out?
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sabas123
t2_by3ez
Good thing that it explicitly stated that it is skippable
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ecejz5c
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hexaga
t2_22wzbwyk
`</heaf>`
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MadRedHatter
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Zig is spiritually closer to a C replacement than Rust. Rust is more of a C++/D replacement. It's a little hard to see how Zig will gain traction without a big corporate sponsor though.
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georobv
t2_135lq7
Nope, London isn't more expensive than cities like Copenhagen, or Oslo, or Zurich, or New York, or Tokyo. Anyway, while you get paid only 65k in Frankfurt, remember that almost all over the Europe there is universal healthcare system, while you have to pay quite a lot in the US. All over the Europe except UK you get tuition free Universities, while you have to pay a lot for you or your kids in the US. The are a lot of hidden costs like these, not everything is about rent.
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ebgrpot
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cb9022
t2_t2uz2su
Yeah, nix was his PhD thesis. https://nixos.org/~eelco/pubs/ I'd like to read it eventually since it's apparently very enlightening, but if his expertise was in PLT it seems unlikely he would have gone untyped. From my time trying to break through the Nix wall, I had the same issues as everybody else; difficulty understanding how everything is supposed to compose, and a combination of fragility in expressions and poor error messages when you do break something, both of which would probably be alleviated by the addition of a type system. I think there have been a few efforts to add one in the past.
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stack-compression
t2_1w1eet1b
People won't like to hear this - but it's likely because the talent is second rate.
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ebgrrbz
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pjmlp
t2_755w5
Kotlin is only newsworthy on the context of Android, because Google isn't keeping up to date with the Java world. Naturally when choosing between a mix of partiall support for Java 6 - 8 and Kotlin, the choice is obvious. Back in Java land, with Java 12 around the corner and the upcoming roadmap, most Java shops aren't that enthusiastic about alternative JVM languages and their additional friction regarding FFI and tooling support. Naturally JetBrains wants to use Kotlin as an appetizer to sell InteliJ and CLion licenses.
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icetheace
t2_18hijudb
Amce editor. http://acme.cat-v.org
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ebgrrkf
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osmarks
t2_9edrv8c
There's a method on `Result` called `unwrap` which does that, which is nicer than that.
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ecek1l4
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stack-compression
t2_1w1eet1b
What visa?
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ebgrzed
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khedoros
t2_63drl
Of course. I pick something completely unrelated to what I do at work, and write that. I've spent most of the past 10 years working on a backup+recovery product, so in my spare time, I tend to write emulators, simulators, skeletons of game engines, graphics code, file format converters, and so on.
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ecek3a8
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Whisper
t2_9nq1
America has more money. Saved you a click.
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sime
t2_35em5
That is a fair distinction to make. But until someone makes a tool which allows per project tool dependencies **and** avoids the duplication problem, I'm going to continue choosing "no manual tool management" over "saving disk space".
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ecek7g8
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Eirenarch
t2_46hjd
The average talent is but my estimation is that in my country (Bulgaria) you can get the talent which Google pays $120K to for about $90K (and that would include taxes and even office expenses). This is of course almost double the average dev pay here. Also there are quite serious counter-examples. CD Projekt are Polish and make top quality games.
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ebgs5yf
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HomeBrewingCoder
t2_149sqrr2
Incremental guess and check.
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ecek8rd
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/r/programming/comments/a8noeh/the_wavefunction_collapse_algorithm_explained/ecek8rd/
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zqvt
t2_18uf4vq
The actual difference isn't as big as portrayed in the title. About 95k on average in the US, about 50-55k in Germany/UK etc.. If you keep in mind the difference in hours worked (about 1400 annually in Germany up to 1800 in the US), the higher private costs when it comes to educatoin and so forth, bottom line American devs are still ahead but not by a "5x" margin. I was offered to relocate to the US with a paybump of about 30% but I decided against it for personal reasons, it's a defensible choice.
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fungussa
t2_3wv64
Go: Docker, Kubernetes, Railgun (Cloudflaire). Your assessment is superficial, pathetic.
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ecek90o
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RonaldHarding
t2_n8rnk
By no means do I intend to belittle the struggle of developers throughout the world. I didn't mean to suggest that our higher wages are consumed by the cost of living and social program differences by rather an offset that is worth mention. Someone else in this thread mentioned that its easier for us to compare ourselves more locally, I don't mean to be so matter of fact, it's more a matter of daydreaming about the more rural communities outside of the tech hubs. I also see a lot of people mentioning high 200k-300k tech jobs in the US. While we have some of those around, that's not the average situations for developers here. ​
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ebgsabv
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irish_throwaway_1
t2_fqmvy
All the time - I don't use the same DB to run unit tests (in-memory) that I use in there actual environment. Using an ORM generally makes it pretty simple.
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ecekabp
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GLACI3R
t2_15npp1
Oh no
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ebgsdk4
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/r/programming/comments/a4qfu6/i_keep_seeing_yt_vids_using_this_atrocious_stock/ebgsdk4/
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sabas123
t2_by3ez
>Caching behaviors of various types of PCs are opaque. Existing compilers, languages and tools provide little help in debugging CPU caching behaviors and cache related performance problems. CPU vendors make caches appear non-existent through design, yet how they get used widely varies performance characteristics of a program, and we are still cleaning up the security messes caused by their opaque implementations (specter/meltdown). I have a hard time attributing specter and meltdown to the current level of cache controll. >What needs to happen is hardware, languages and tools need to make caching behavior more explicit. Otherwise, the best we can do is make wild guesses and assumptions on how caching should work, only for that knowledge to become outdated or invalidated through hardware revisions and even security patches. What do we need extra, we already have cache invalidation instructions and we don't really need any extra for performance
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ecekemu
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/r/programming/comments/a8kwg9/what_every_programmer_should_know_about_memory/ecekemu/
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Crypto_To_The_Core
t2_uzv3nj6
NOS line editor - for the win.
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ebgsesb
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/r/programming/comments/a4p9dy/choosing_a_text_editor_an_important_decision/ebgsesb/
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chownplus
t2_4wfgh
That sounds like a deficiency of the stl rather than a deficiency of the language to me. If you want to crash out but don't like the boilerplate "if" you can just encapsulate it, that's something the standard lib could easily offer.
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winger_sendon
t2_zoz0d
Who doesn't? It's a horrible language. EVEN WORSE THAN C. At least C gets a pass as it's half a ~~decade~~ century (typo) old. Go is a disaster.
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ecekikw
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stack-compression
t2_1w1eet1b
I'm from not America as well, but I will happily admit talent here is not up to scratch. There's a reason I come to message boards full of Americans, because I have yet to meet any colleagues I can actually talk programming or computer science with.
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sabas123
t2_by3ez
Can you please name some specific points that this is outdated? Out of curiosity
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ecekji0
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uid_zero
t2_4c7gi
They do if you're building a 24x7 product. Otherwise you have outages instead of maintenance windows.
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ebgsnen
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saltybandana
t2_2hallns5
> Ok, so maybe it's more an acknowledging in the case of .unwrap() (I think that function is kinda ugly). But you never accidentally just don't handle an error. You even have to handle the return value of a function returning Result or the compiler will complain. And sometimes it's the right call for various reasons. A program should terminate itself before allowing corrupted data to be written out, for example. Or maybe you just don't care because it isn't important and crashing is ok. And that's fine, but my point is that the other poster claimed Rust didn't allow you to avoid handling errors and that's not accurate. It requires you to explicitly state that you're not going to handle the errors, which is similar but different. Much like checked exceptions force you to acknowledge the error, but it doesn't force you to handle the error. And I would argue that if you feel like someone should be fired for doing that with checked exceptions, you should also argue that someone should be fired for doing that in rust. Its a larger issue than just this discussion though. The posters claim was in response to the following statement I made: _But atleast when you're looking at the code in Go you can immediately see that the error handling isn't there._ Except that calling unwrap does exactly that. It lets anyone who's looking at the code immediately understand that the error is unhandled (and it goes further because it also has the guarantee of ending execution immediately on error). > And the a, err := foo(); if err != nil { return nil, err } boiler plate would be quite annoying to me, compared to let a = foo()?; Annoying but explicit. It's easier to reason about explicit code, even if it's uglier. You don't know if you're handling the errors that are generated from let a = foo(), but you can immediately see if you're handling errors from the other approach. You trade ugliness for explicitness, clarity, and control. There are pros and cons to both approaches, but most people are reacting to how they feel about the asthetics of the code. The arguments about it being more error prone are not valid arguments. It's neither more nor less error prone, but it does have a locality of reference that exceptions do not.
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ecekl9l
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TizardPaperclip
t2_13xs8h1h
> And on the subject of mice, Raskin, and Apple, it was a huge regression for Apple I had to re-read that four times to get it. A colon could be good: > And on the subject of mice, Raskin, and Apple: it was a huge regression for Apple ...
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ebgsp4c
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gcross
t2_572z0
Ah, good point; you are right that the problem I described only occurs with dynamic duck typing.
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ecekn6w
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tobsn
t2_f72e
BUT life quality matters. look at poland, devs here getting paid outrages amounts now. meanwhile the rest of the country is dort cheap, taxes are 19% (as sole prop company), universal health care and all social payments are low, additional services cost a few bucks more, living cost is super low along with crime. meanwhile in the US... plus you can’t just move. your only option really is marriage or a H1b and that visa is only 3 years plus 3 years extension. then you have to leave unless your get married or apply for a green card over work which takes around 5 years, which is longer than your H1b will last so until you’re approved, or not, you’re in a legal limbo on many consecutive B2 visas and you can’t leave the country during that time. so yeah... good luck with that. i’d rather recommend to learn some new tech, find a nicer job in the EU.
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Gurxtav
t2_gbyuha
Gennady Korotkevich is smarter
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ecekpft
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/r/programming/comments/a8vd2a/templeos_programmer_terry_davis_demonstrating_why/ecekpft/
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quibble42
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jesus how many megabytes do you think the .ISO file was? ​ I mean I think he said it but I don't remember
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ecekr3y
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chivalrytimbers
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That’s true, this property is why some dbs scope sequence increments outside of transactions. the ordering and sequentiality of sequences are unreliable even without bulk increment
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/r/programming/comments/a8vpy4/why_did_we_shift_away_from_databasegenerated_ids/ecekrxu/
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choledocholithiasis_
t2_jz8h2
How does a person contribute to git? Is there a list of pull requests that I can view?
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/r/programming/comments/a4oi4w/git_v2200_released/ebgsxkh/
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sabas123
t2_by3ez
Can you please stop with your elitsm on this sub?
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ecektzi
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/r/programming/comments/a8kwg9/what_every_programmer_should_know_about_memory/ecektzi/
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squishles
t2_8t5uo
don't push the dba too far with that; I've seen great and terrible things done entirely in plsql
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ebgt12v
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgt12v/
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osmarks
t2_9edrv8c
Go's actually *can't* for two reasons: the only generics are magic compiler builtins (and interfaces, but these don't cover the same thing), the errors are returned via multiple returns instead of unions (and these multiple returns can't be passed around), and *won't* since it generally seems to be against abstractions. Also, in libraries at least, you *usually* just want to propagate the error, by returning it.
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ecel1ug
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fiskiligr
t2_s6922
always upvote /u/michaelochurch
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yawaramin
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> Rust is not built to be a simple language I'd say it's built to be simple, not easy.
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ecel3bo
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/r/programming/comments/a8iw6b/ten_simple_rules_for_documenting_scientific/ecel3qn/
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adelie42
t2_4epmu
I've heard a lot of people say that few can appreciate how expensive cheap software developers are till you have blown your entire budget on a mountain of garbage code that can't be used for anything.
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DarkLordAzrael
t2_srtuf
I'm sorry that I don't find what essentially amounts to a tautological statement to be a compelling argument? I don't see how I am arguing in bad faith here at all.
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ecelctt
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fiskiligr
t2_s6922
don't worry, in the U.S. this is still how scientists view engineers... they just don't get paid as well ;-)
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ebgt3dy
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c-smile
t2_ue34p
JavaScript itself does not create that much overhead. Google for "JavaScript on Arduino". And just in case Arduino is a machine with 8kb (eight kilobytes) of RAM on board. In general JS, Lua, Python are the same entities under the hood - the major difference is only syntax - VM-architecturally they are brothers from same parents. JS has some birth-defects, yes, but other than that it is good enough for code-behind-UI purposes where first class functions and GC is the must.
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ecelji1
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/r/programming/comments/a8vkzm/sciternode_as_an_alternative_to_electron/ecelji1/
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dpash
t2_5bdkm
I don't know which is worse: HTML as an example of programming, that they didn't close their `<title>` tag properly, the use of `<bdo>` tag before the `<head> or the `</heaf`.
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/r/programming/comments/a4qfu6/i_keep_seeing_yt_vids_using_this_atrocious_stock/ebgt4jw/
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Sluisifer
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Marc Ken and Carl live in the Bay area, but the guy who owns it is in Florida. I think they came to him to be accommodating, and just needed some space because they aren't local, so the hotel made sense.
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ecelkes
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Vi0lentByt3
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The second half of this comment could not be more true for some cases. I think there is enough fluctuation in the work load where sometimes you just need to be alone or with other engineers, and other times have the business user/analyst right there next to you. The fact that open floor plans are enforced with no option for unlimited remote options is just asking for your employees to be unproductive. There is a reason we have to stay late or get in super early, because that is the only time it is quiet and we can focus on solving problems.
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ebgt62o
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combinatorylogic
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Only lowest of the plebs use the word "elitism"
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ecelloo
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Agret
t2_uf8s
Remote working is easy but pair programming has way too many benefits.
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JohnyTex
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How easy is it to ship rust code to different platforms? Obviously there’s precedent with Servo / Firefox, but what about the general case? I’ve been entertaining the idea of building a cross-platform GUI app and was wondering if Rust might be a good fit?
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ecelqzj
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Eirenarch
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I agree but the top talent is on par with the best and they are still paid less.
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ebgt8h9
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Doriphor
t2_6z4p5
Well, that shouldn’t be a problem since they’re working with/for NASA on this project afaik.
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ecelvq7
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NoblesseNobleman
t2_dan55qm
Well if we're talking about the Big Name companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc then we're looking at a 150k total compensation package as a new grad. That is 3x as much. If youre only getting a 30% pay bump then you might be inclined to reject, but a 300% bump is really hard to say no to. It's further compounded by the fact that you can double that salary in just 5 years, and healthcare in the states is largely covered by the employer. Obviously a 5x margin is pushing it, but 2-3x is quite realistic.
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ebgtazm
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irish_throwaway_1
t2_fqmvy
Database generated IDs are terrible for reasons beyond the coupling to the DB. For one, the ID becomes just some arbitrary number with no connection to the data. Sure, sometimes we want a single column key rather than a complex one, but we can also obtain one by hashing the fields of the complex key, and still preserve the link to the actual data. Sometimes no linkage is even OK, in which case you could just as effectively use a UUID generated by the application. It also inverts the design process - these days it's generally accepted that you start with the API you want to expose and design back to the models, logic, and eventually, persistence needed to support it. Users almost never want to query by an arbitrary key, so it doesn't make sense to have that drive the design of your API either. We live in an API driven works where companies can and do replace the entire implementation of a service without consumers ever knowing. Recording the order things were inserted seems to be another reason people like DB generated keys - to which all I can say is timestamps.
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ecelynh
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atheist_apostate
t2_88cnt
But what about your "dream Lambo"?
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ebgtc25
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bubuottote
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> I tend to write emulators Sounds awesome. Where do I start?
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ecelzb2
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/r/programming/comments/a8wlar/do_you_program_for_leisure_and_how/ecelzb2/
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Vadoff
t2_4j4me
If you look back 2 decades ago, all the top companies in the world were based off oil, steel, cars, telecommunications. Now, most are tech companies. Pay for talented software engineers will remain high for a very, very long time. The rest of the world is catching up to the US in tech, so if "can't last forever" meant that, then sure eventually pay outside the US may eventually reach US levels. But it will probably be relative to how many wealthy tech companies are located in those countries.
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ebgtpqj
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgtpqj/
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Sqeaky
t2_6wjnx
Clearly I need better terminology because you are right about type systems and unit tests being a technical solution. I still stand by the notion that trying to ignoring all the abstractions that the computing industry is made and say let's go back 25 years to C except less powerful is still a bad idea.
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ecem0yk
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Iamonreddit
t2_43o64
You can also get an actually fast write only database with Amazon now too
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ebgtq5m
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgtq5m/
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concordsession
t2_1a05341q
Pale Meme: when you want a 4 year old Firefox without multiprocess or sandboxing, Google ads on the home page and [arbitrary extension censorship](https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=16504). Enjoy your 0-day RCE.
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ecem2dq
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/r/programming/comments/a8rk6u/librefox_mainstream_firefox_with_a_better_privacy/ecem2dq/
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sanity
t2_75zx
My estimate would be that zero former java devs who've switched to kotlin miss Java. Going back to Java would be going back to a language that is worse in almost every way.
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ebgtqtj
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/r/programming/comments/a4dtp2/kweb_a_new_approach_to_building_rich_webapps_in/ebgtqtj/
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/r/programming/comments/a8rptf/i_do_not_like_go/ecem9ke/
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/r/programming/comments/a4m2dp/limits_of_programming_by_interface/ebgtr40/
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dametsumari
t2_92xodpr
That is just the tip of the iceberg if you want to look at type unsafe action that is going on though. Plenty of stuff returns objects with limited interface, but if you supplied the objects yourself they probably have other stuff not required by the interface. So typecasting occurs to more broad type, which is either dynamic ( and slow ) or static ( and potentially fatal if error occurs ). Container, encoding, sync, and some other parts are full of that. I wish Go really had generics, as stuff that is not baked to language has to resort to ugliness even in standard library not to mention outside it. Go is the first language in 20 years where I needed to implement my own preprocessor to avoid code replication and/or unsafe/inefficient typecasting.
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ecembax
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Caffeine_Monster
t2_hg9yb
> while you have to pay quite a lot in the US. Don't most respectable companies Stateside offer healthcare coverage as part of your contract?
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ebgtxnt
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgtxnt/
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svk177
t2_134rgi
Pick a simple CPU architecture like a 6502, 8080 or Z80 and emulate its ISA. Then you may expand it to cover peripherials.
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ecemo8g
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/r/programming/comments/a8wlar/do_you_program_for_leisure_and_how/ecemo8g/
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pinnr
t2_qgzhw
Software devs in the US usually have good insurance. That job had insurance that would have resulted in max payment of ~5k for an individual and ~10k for a family, so worst case scenario you're still at $140k after healthcare. University of CO tuition is $11k, figure $20k including living expenses * 2 kids = $40k, and you're still making $100k after university and worst case healthcare expense. That's also pre-tax. Idk what the tax differences are.
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ebgtxul
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgtxul/
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oridb
t2_90rkq
So don't write your code in the Go playground. Many IDEs will also show you documentation with syntax highlighting, if that's your complaint.
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ecemodz
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/r/programming/comments/a8rptf/i_do_not_like_go/ecemodz/
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agumonkey
t2_62nu4
Dank U. Gonna grab some Kotlin book asap
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ebgtzbq
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/r/programming/comments/a4dtp2/kweb_a_new_approach_to_building_rich_webapps_in/ebgtzbq/
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Inspector-Space_Time
t2_a8sxq
They both require not only a rejection of basic evidence and science, but also a fundamental lack of understanding to even know what they're rejecting. Once you enter the realm of, "any science I personally don't understand/believe is actually a lie being orchestrated by shadowy actors" then nothing becomes impossible to believe. Conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracy theories because their approach to information and knowledge is flawed. You're no different than them, or any other conspiracy believer.
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ecemomi
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/r/programming/comments/a8tmd0/apollo_guidance_computer_restoring_the_computer/ecemomi/
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CuttingEdgeRetro
t2_1zao8t9h
I think you misunderstood my post. It seems like the Polish people we interviewed had the English problems. The two from Argentina spoke English just fine. They had other issues.
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ebgu47p
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/r/programming/comments/a4n8jv/why_software_developers_are_paid_5x_more_in_the/ebgu47p/
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ecemr3o
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/r/programming/comments/a8szrs/the_best_way_of_teaching_kids_to_code/ecemr3o/
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didibus
t2_4xpocx2
I still havn't found my prefered editor yet. After trying them all, almost, I've settled on Spacemacs. It's pretty close to my ultimate dream editor. I just wish it was faster and a little modernized. A fast and modern version of Spacemacs (which is really just Emacs) would be the graal of editors for me. I'm not sure its possible though to make a faster Emacs.
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ebgu4a7
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/r/programming/comments/a4p9dy/choosing_a_text_editor_an_important_decision/ebgu4a7/
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t5_2fwo
r/programming
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schallflo
t2_102233
If JFX looked 1% as good as its website I'd love it.
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ecemr6m
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t3_9kp3ah
/r/programming/comments/9kp3ah/theres_a_lot_more_going_on_with_javafx_than/ecemr6m/
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t5_2fwo
r/programming
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Iamonreddit
t2_43o64
Maybe they are lumping income and NI together?
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elconquistador
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Its the same level of idiocy, so there's that.
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ecemrfp
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NecessaryWafer
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We could earn more, but the they made a deal to fix salaries https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/21/apple_steve_jobs_poaching_lawsuit/
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sabas123
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You realize how ironic your post is right?
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zqvt
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True but we really ought to compare average compensation rather than the best paying jobs. The Us clearly leads when it comes to big names in the sector, but that's only a fraction of the entire labour market. Also, there's a few peculiar spots in the US where the rents are so absurdly high that it even melts large salaries away. I've talked to people from the valley at work and some work inhuman hours and still have ridiculous expenses. If I were to move to the US I'd probably prefer a place like Raleigh with a good research culture and a smaller but upward industry over one of the stereotypical first tier cities. In Germany I made about 55k as a dev for a long time and honestly I missed out on nothing. I think it's peculiar to the American culture to stress nominal salary too much.
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webauteur
t2_11nmd
Terry was like the William Blake of programming.
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ecemynn
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AttackOfTheThumbs
t2_79zad
It's a trade off I guess. I know a few people making 90+ within the area, but housing is considerably lower. i.e. you can actually buy something there.
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ebgudle
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c-smile
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> build for the browser then move to Electron at any point "Move to Electron" - yes, but to make Web application to be a good "desktop citizen" is not that simple in fact - significantly different runtime models. Parent of Web application is non-transparent sandbox-window(a.k.a. tab) inside main browser window. While on desktop, parent of your app should be desktop window. Just in order to achieve effects like here: https://sciter.com/sciter-4-2-support-of-acrylic-theming/ Or to have out-of-canvas popup elements: https://terrainformatica.com/w3/sciter-tooltip.png Standard HTML/CSS lacks features that are needed for desktop UI. Electron tries to add them through JS runtime as this the only thing they can modify. In Sciter I am adding them to HTML/CSS directly (where it makes sense). Like sciter has `:popup` and `:owns-popup` states and CSS selectors for elements that are shown in popup windows. Yet <frameset> can contain arbitrary elements and can be contained in arbitrary elements - <frameset> is just a "split view" in desktop UI terms.
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StoicGrowth
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I would add Zurich to that list, it's an impressive hub especially for R&D in Europe (Google and the big Qs are all there afaik, and obviously the fintech stuff). It's a real ecosystem, Swiss-style. I hear Barcelona too, but I don't know how much of it is pretending and how much is just good climate. I can only speak from a tourism + short business trips about that one though, but yeah really good climate! probably the closest to Cali. you can get in Europe.
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AttackOfTheThumbs
t2_79zad
> Moving to Calgary is career suicide for software That's an incredibly bold statement and as far as I can tell, you really have no basis for that.
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ExPixel
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He's referring to Rob Pike and others involved in designing Go, not the language itself.
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sanity
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If you code in java then you'll find kotlin to be very intuitive.
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AstralProxy
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"skeletons of game engines" - haha, I do something similar. Always a basic game in mind, but without art skills I stop when it's functional.
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