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• Behind-the-scenes look at Request for Commits podcast |
• Origin story of the show, started as a result of Nadia Eghbal's interview on The Changelog |
• Different perspectives and approaches between hosts Mikeal Rogers and Nadia Eghbal |
• Importance of thorough notes prepared by Nadia before each episode |
• Design of the show, including its structured format and focus on sustainability |
• Hosts' approach to interviews, which often dive into deeper topics beyond just technical accomplishments |
• Interview style and approach |
• Credibility and background discussion in interviews |
• Show longevity and relevance of discussions |
• Favorite moments from the season |
• Karl Fogel's book "Producing Open Source Software" and its impact on open source sustainability |
• Upcoming topics for future episodes, including potential discussions with Karl Fogel about his new book |
• Discussion of grant funding and its role in sustaining open-source projects |
• Nadia Eghbal's reflections on her previous episode about venture capital (VC) and open-source funding, stating that she has changed her perspective and now believes VC may not be the best solution |
• In-depth conversation with Heather about licenses and their role in sustainable open-source practices |
• The idea of license proliferation and its costs on both sides (developers and lawyers) |
• Sustainability as a key aspect of developer mindset, comparable to testing |
• Reflections on season one of the podcast and the goals achieved |
• The importance of valuing testing and sustainable practices in project management |
• Companies' dependency on open source and the need for a relationship based on business value rather than charity |
• Community involvement and contribution to open source, with all engineers contributing to open source for part of their time |
• Sustainability as a critical aspect of working in open source, going beyond just getting paid for work |
• The target audience for the show: community leaders within open source who have responsibility to a project or people and are craving depth of conversation on sustainability |
• Why Mikeal Rogers and Nadia Eghbal co-host the show together, with a shared passion for exploring topics related to sustainability in open source. |
• Plans for season two |
• Reaction to season one (positive feedback from the community) |
• Importance of quality content (music, editing, sound quality) |
• Nadia and Mikeal's experience with producing podcasts and working with hosts |
• Origins of Request for Commits podcast (initial idea by Nadia and Mikeal) |
• Discussion on the plan for season two of Request for Commits |
• Seasonal vs weekly podcasting approach and its benefits |
• Focusing on quality over quantity and taking time to research and prepare episodes |
• Importance of setting expectations with listeners and maintaining relevance in the community |
• Exploring a different perspective on podcasting, where it's not just about producing new content but also about creating timeless episodes that can be revisited later |
• Feedback from listeners on season one and suggestions for future seasons |
• Ideas for season two, including featuring unsung heroes and doing research to find new guests |
• The importance of diversity in stories and perspectives for the show's growth and avoiding stagnation |
• Identifying unsung heroes in open source projects who may not receive attention or recognition |
• The role of events and in-person interactions in thriving open source communities |
• How to submit suggestions for guests on season two, including using Twitter and being respectful of the selection process |
• A behind-the-scenes look at the planning and production of the show |
• Upcoming plans for season two, including recording in quarter one 2017 |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Alright everyone, welcome to this special episode of Request for Commits. We wanted to close up the first season with a look behind the scenes of the show. We've got the entire party here - myself, Adam Stacoviak, editor in chief of Changelog, Jerod Santo, managing editor of Changelog, and also the ... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Hi! |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Hello! |
**Jerod Santo:** Hello! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Request for Commits - this show was uniquely unified in terms of how we came about it. Nadia, we had you on the Changelog, January of this year, 2016, talking about sustainability in open source; we were huge fans of that topic, but we knew we couldn't do every single episode of The Changelog specif... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I think I was definitely like... I think I was just like, "Hell, no!" \[laughs\] Because it was the first interview I'd done -- definitely the first interview I'd done on open source, and I was just not super comfortable with recording online, or whatever. So yeah, I put it at like the back of my mind... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Well, I listened to that podcast actually, and it was funny because at the time that I was listening to the podcast, I hadn't met you yet but we had on the calendar that we were going to meet, I think like a week later, or something. And I remember listening to that podcast and being really frustrate... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Great. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** There's been some people, Mikeal, that had described your position on the show as like "stories from the battlefield", so to speak. Can you talk to that a little bit? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Well, I do think that the difference in our perspective is that I tend to talk about my experiences or just stories that I've heard from other people as well - you kind of take everybody's experiences and you learn from them... But Nadia was like this amazing researcher, and goes out and finds way mo... |
I tend to tell a lot of stories and come from that end, and then Nadia is much more analytical and tends to really keep things on track in terms of always focusing on sustainability and keeping a much more coherent narrative in the story that we're trying to do about sustainability. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Thanks, Mikeal. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, I think we could definitely give props to Nadia on her note-taking. First of all, your paper for the Ford Foundation was an epic in the actual sense of the word... Very long. Real quick, I'm just looking at our show list and thinking, "Man, we just met in January of 2016, and here it is, December... |
Nadia, tell us about these notes, because you all gotta see some of the Google Docs that Nadia can crank out... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[04:01\] They're theses, basically... |
**Jerod Santo:** I think the word is "thorough"... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** I think I should stop sending them to the speakers, because I worry I'm scaring them... \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** They might be like, "So we're gonna talk about all this stuff?" |
**Nadia Eghbal:** "All that...?!" Yeah, I might stop doing that. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I think it helps them, because it refreshes their memory about, "Oh, I may have to talk about that." |
**Nadia Eghbal:** That's what I think. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** No, I think it's good. Things are going very well, don't change it up. |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Okay, alright, alright... I'll keep doing crazy docs... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** In the worst case scenario, you'll keep them on their toes. It's like, "Wow, these people are serious... We're gonna podcast about this." And I think, to that note, one of my most favorite - not because it's the best one, but because I just love the way he came in with passion - was Brendan Eich. It... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I think it made him really excited too, because it made it clear that we were gonna talk about something different than most of his podcasts. Usually, he comes on and talks about either how he created JavaScript in like an hour, or whatever it was, or... |
**Jerod Santo:** Ten minutes, I think. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** ... or what does the next version of JavaScript look like. Those are the two styles of interviews that he really gets, and we were clearly gonna talk about other stuff. But for all the listeners out there that don't understand what we're talking about with these notes, because they haven't seen them.... |
Nadia essentially just does a lot of research and has a lot of possible discussion points. We never hit all of them, but it's this amazing guide that we can continue to fall back to. We try to have a conversation and move naturally, but also one of the reasons why the show continues to move forward really easily is bec... |
**Nadia Eghbal:** Honestly, I'm terrified of talking off the cuff, which is why I do them... With live presentations or podcast stuff, I'm always afraid... I know Adam always says embrace the silence, but I'm just like... |
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