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• Gerhard Lazu discusses his experience migrating changelog.com from Kubernetes to bare metal hosts |
• Andrew Rynhard joins the conversation and explains how he transitioned from a career in mixed martial arts to becoming CTO of Talos |
• Steve Francis, CEO of Talos, shares his background and how he met Andrew through mutual connections |
• The group discusses their personal stories and experiences, including Steve's transition into being a CEO and Andrew's decision to leave mixed martial arts for tech |
• They also mention the origins of Talos, a Linux distribution, and how it was initially met with skepticism |
• Argument and relationship between Andrew Rynhard and Steve Francis |
• Benefits of martial arts (Brazilian jujitsu) in teaching human social skills and confidence |
• Importance of respect and not being intimidated by hierarchy or authority |
• Talos OS and its ease of use for setting up Kubernetes on bare metal hosts |
• Team members Noel Frezbo, Andrey Smirnov, and Andrew Rynhard's contributions to the project |
• Open source philosophy and the importance of being genuine in development |
• The development team rewrote the entire Talos operating system from scratch, abandoning a Linux distribution approach in favor of a Kubernetes bootstrapping model. |
• The new design simplifies the underlying complexity of traditional Linux distributions, allowing for a more straightforward user experience. |
• The team aims to minimize human interaction with servers and reduce configuration management complexities through their redesigned operating system. |
• The core of the Talos operating system is small, consisting mainly of PID 1 and a Linux kernel, with minimal additional components. |
• The absence of certain features like SSH and traditional package managers is seen as a positive aspect of the new design. |
• Complexity of Linux distributions |
• Importance of networking in managing Linux |
• Simplicity of Talos Linux and its unique features |
• KubeSpan, a lightweight networking solution built on top of WireGuard |
• Comparison with traditional Linux distributions (e.g. Ubuntu) |
• Gerhard Lazu's experience with Talos and KubeSpan |
• Talos Linux features and use cases |
• Bare metal hosts vs cloud deployment |
• Edge computing and Kubernetes at home community using Talos on Raspberry Pi's |
• Storage interfaces for Talos (CSI) including Rook CEPH, OpenEBS Mayastor, and Jiva |
• Performance and reliability of Talos in different environments |
• Comparison of Talos to other projects and cloud providers |
• Storage capabilities in Talos |
• Limitations of certain CSI (Container Storage Interface) drivers with Talos |
• Security considerations and restrictions in Talos |
• CNI (Cloud Native Networking) options, including Flannel and Cyllium |
• Metal LB (load balancer) support and recommendations |
• Default settings and user customization for CNIs and other capabilities |
• Common use cases and applications for Talos, including bare metal environments |
• Talos requires modern software on old hardware due to slow procurement and deployment times |
• Edge deployment is becoming increasingly popular, with Omni being a contributing factor |
• Omni is a SaaS service that simplifies Kubernetes installation and management |
• Omni generates customized images for each user, which can be booted to create a ready-to-use cluster |
• Security is a top priority in the design of Omni, with features like authentication through a SaaS account and automatic reconciliation of machine state |
• Talos CTL (command-line tool) is intended for debugging purposes rather than management, with Omni being the primary interface for managing nodes and clusters |
• Omni being included in 2023 plans |
• Breaking up Talos config into multi-doc YAML for easier management |
• Configuring interfaces independently of the whole machine |
• Upgrades becoming simpler and more automated |
• Kubernetes use case discussions, including its limitations and potential alternatives |
• Andrew Rynhard's background with Linux and Kubernetes |
• Plans to discuss further topics in a follow-up episode |
• The community on Slack has been praised for its helpfulness and collaboration |
• The 1,400+ member community provides detailed answers and shares use cases not tried by the developers |
• A specific example of community assistance was mentioned, where someone asked about running [unintelligible] on Talos |
• Gerhard Lazu shared his experience with setting up a bare-metal cluster using Omni and Talos, despite initial difficulties |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think that a new year is a natural time for new beginnings... And as our listeners know, we used to run all of changelog.com on Kubernetes until April 2022, when we move to something simpler; something that's all our team can be comfortable with. What I'm most comfortable with is bare metal hosts. I... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** Thank you. I'm glad to be here again. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** How are you? |
**Andrew Rynhard:** I'm doing well. It's been -- wow, that was a year ago? It feels like five years ago. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Lots of things happened, yeah... |
**Andrew Rynhard:** A lot has happened since then. But yeah, I can't say all of them were bad. Most of them were good, so... Yeah. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. Well, we will dig into that. I won't press too hard right now, we're just getting started, but we'll dig into that. Steve, thank you for making the time to join us. |
**Steve Francis:** Yeah, my pleasure. Good to be here. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I really appreciate all your help in the Talos community Slack. I had so many questions, and you answered some of them so well; it was super-helpful. Thank you. |
**Steve Francis:** Yeah. My pleasure. It's actually fairly unusual that I get to answer the technical questions, because -- |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I know, right? |
**Steve Francis:** ...I'm not really the technical person in the company... \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So what is your role within Talos, by the way? Because our listeners don't know. |
**Steve Francis:** Yeah, so I'm the CEO. I've been with the company about two years. Before this, I founded logicmonitor.com, a SaaS-based data center monitoring service, which is where I've worked with Andrew before. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. And now you're full-time with Talos. |
**Steve Francis:** Full-time with Talos. I was one of the initial seed investors in Andrew's company, and it's just because I -- before LogicMonitor I used to run data centers myself,; I ran data centers for Citrix Online, and ValueClick, and some other big companies... So what Andrew is doing with Talos, Linux, I thin... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow. Okay. I'm sure it was more than just the tech that attracted you to Talos? |
**Steve Francis:** Yes. Yes. I mean, Andrew, when I started, basically the company was Andrew and Spencer, who was basically the co-founder... And Andrew had just started. He was the lead engineer. So it was a very small company. But yeah, it was working with Andrew, and the innovation that he's bringing, and the appro... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So what was the hook, Andrew, from your perspective? What is your side of the story? |
**Andrew Rynhard:** I don't know... I mean, I think Steve is just a nice person. \[laughter\] I thought the idea was crazy. It's a brand new Linux distribution, no Bash, no SSH... So really, Steve introduced me to another one of our angel investors, Saïd Ziouani. He was the CEO of Ansible...? |
**Steve Francis:** He was founder and CEO of Ansible. Now he's the founder and CEO of Anchore. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** That's right. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow. Okay. |
**Andrew Rynhard:** So Steve put me in touch with him, and Sayid - he knows his stuff when it comes to open source; super-smart guy. And everyone just said "Okay, Sayid thinks this is a good idea", and Steve is a friend of mine, so he gave me that opportunity to talk to these people. He could have said, "No, you're jus... |
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