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**Adam Stacoviak:** And actually, comparing those prices as an entry-level, one, that doesn't include -- that's the older model, 13-inch, that's sans the touch bar... So you're not getting the latest gen. If you look at it and you say "Give me the latest gen MacBook Pro at the cheapest price", I think we're looking at ... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[16:16\] Yeah. |
**Tim Smith:** I really do think that this computer feels like the ideal portable developer machine, because the specs seem to be just right for what you would need to do most development, web and software at least... And the size of this thing is just wonderful. Didn't it say that it weighs something like 2,75 pounds?... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's basically nothing. It's basically zero. |
**Tim Smith:** And I love that it has two Thunderbolt 3 ports, so you can hook it up to an external display if you want to... And I also love that they're doing the three different colors, especially space grey. I wish they'd make something matte black, but I'll take space grey. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Tim, you've left this note for the Thunderbolt ports here; you were glad they did this instead of USB-C, like MacBook... |
**Tim Smith:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...which I totally agree. Because if you're gonna give USB-C and not Thunderbolt 3 on a Mac, I'm gonna punch you. \[laughter\] Seriously... Like, who wants USB 3.0 speeds, or 3.1 speeds, or whatever? Give me Thunderbolt 3 options, or I'm super-angry. Don't even give me the peripheral. At that point ... |
**Jerod Santo:** So what kind of stuff are you all plugging in that you would like the Thunderbolt speeds? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Drives. Primarily drives. |
**Tim Smith:** Drives and displays. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, drives and displays, or multiple displays... I mean, you don't wanna plug in any drive that has Thunderbolt 3 at USB 3.1 speeds. You just don't. In most pro cases, you're doing a RAID setup, and the point of it is access to an external drive that has much more expandability, at a cheaper than ... |
**Jerod Santo:** I definitely agree, it's good to have it in there. I think for an entry-level MacBook Air, which aside from the new Mac mini, is I think the cheapest way into an Apple laptop, besides going back to previous models or buying used... It's awesome that they've put it in there, and maybe it didn't cost the... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think it comes down to the motherboard really; it's what enables that. I'm not sure what they had to do to engineer that, but it comes down to the bus and the motherboard speed, and all the things it has to do in addition to, say, faster battery life, or better speakers... All this space that just... |
**Jerod Santo:** I think there are a few more of these stats in agreement with Tim on the idea that this might be the ultimate importable development environments, unless you wanna get something that's in the super-low price range... Because it's still $1,200, it's not super-low... But like Tim said, 2,75 pounds, crazy... |
\[20:11\] That being said, I was wondering, are they gonna keep the Air moniker, because the MacBook Pro's are so small now. Does the MacBook Air actually feel like it's airy? And I think 2,75 pounds says yes, but the all-day battery life, interestingly, 13 hours of movie playback and 12 hours of web browsing playback,... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So the web -- come on, web devs... We're just killing people's batteries out there... And we know that we have GPU and other specific playback encodings on chips, and stuff... So they're optimizing video playback, whereas the web just does its thing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I didn't notice that stat, actually. That's a good point. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, you get an extra hour if you're watching movies versus if you're browsing the web. Maybe they should do that test with an ad blocker on, and you'll probably get a lot more web browsing. \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Hang on, is that video on YouTube? Because that is the web... At least if you've got a browser opened up... |
**Jerod Santo:** No. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...because there is no need of a YouTube app. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's true. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It remains to be seen. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah, I would think that when they say "video playback", they're talking about their native-- |
**Adam Stacoviak:** QuickTime. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yes, something inside of -- yeah, exactly. Anyway... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I would say that that's such a more controllable environment, right? You can control the H.264, H.265 codec so much easier than anybody can create it on the web-web. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. |
**Tim Smith:** Even then though, even if they were talking about YouTube, I don't think that that number would be a more drastic hog on your battery necessarily... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My only concern would be ads. The rotation of ads. If you're a non-premium YouTube user, you're gonna have ads, you're gonna have other things happening inside the playback, which is like the smart, clickable options, and just different things. That would change that to a more dynamic video than jus... |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. |
**Tim Smith:** But still, those things are hyper-optimized. |
**Jerod Santo:** The internet is definitely not hyper-optimized... \[laughs\] |
**Tim Smith:** Huh? |
**Jerod Santo:** I said "And the web is not... ", and that's the moral of the story here. |
**Tim Smith:** Right, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is music an important feature for you when you have playback with a device like that? Are you listening to much music from your actual MacBook speakers? |
**Jerod Santo:** Not me personally. |
**Tim Smith:** No. Headphones. |
**Jerod Santo:** Either AirPods, or... Most of the music I listen to is on my iPhone, which is next to me... I mean, I do turn on music on the Mac, and I guess I listen to other speakers, but it's usually background noise, so it's not a huge concern... But if they can get a lot louder, that's always nice. They have the... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I would say that the speakers are good in the cases of when you're doing conferencing with people... Because that's where maybe you have headphones on; you don't have to, because they have noise-canceling, and what comes out of the speakers can go back into the mic kind of situation, so... Hearing p... |
\[23:39\] Maybe you have your AirPods on, maybe you have headphones on, since it does actually have the headphone jack, which we haven't mentioned - they could have maybe gone a little thinner, I guess, if they removed that... Which they seem to refuse to do on their hardware. I mean, kudos to them, because I still use... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So this would be an all-in-one machine. I do think you'd only go with MacBook Pro if you wanted to have so much more RAM, so much more processing power... That's where it's at. |
**Jerod Santo:** I was gonna say, the real sticky point is the RAM. It maxes out at 16 GB of RAM, which you can definitely get by on, but in 2018 for a brand new development environment, you may think 32 GB is really gonna feel better... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** The SSD is fine, up to 1.5 terabytes. That's plenty for me, as a developer. Maybe if I'm not recording 4K video and using it in and out -- but you probably have external drives at that point. |
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