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**Anna Derbakova:** Absolutely. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So this is not a project, so to speak its own codebase; it's a project of underlying projects. |
**Anna Derbakova:** It's a collection... It's almost like an - I don't know if it would be wrong to term it an umbrella organization that supports a number of projects that are all meant to advance blockchain technologies, to get people working with them, to get more people involved and grow that community. But definit... |
I think part of the problem that's still kind of lingering is the organization is very new; it's really formed late December of last year, so there's still a big bar to entry. The concept of the project is very complex, the documentation is still a little spotty, so it's still kind of... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** In its formation. |
**Anna Derbakova:** Yeah, in its formation, and it's difficult for people to just kind of jump on that bandwagon and start contributing. We're trying... The documentation has gotten orders of magnitude better, and has tons of information. We're on Slack all the time, we're on public Slack channels... We have a Hyperled... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** How do they get access to that? |
**Anna Derbakova:** Somewhere on that page there's a link to the Slack channel, and it's hyperledger.slack.com. People can just sign up and they can join one of the general channels and essentially read what's going on in the project, or they can join a specific channel like the Fabric SDK channel and they can read abo... |
\[19:59\] I talk to people on Slack all the time. It's a very effective way to have one of the developers respond to you, because sometimes issues kind of get opened and we do our best to keep track of the issues, and sometimes it kind of falls through the cracks... But people do speak up. On the Fabric SDK Node channe... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What is the future like for blockchain? You mentioned financial systems, you mentioned internet of things... I'm looking here and I also see manufacturing technology, supply chains - we talked about that. As a technology it's one thing, but what's the next step for people to adopt? Generally the pro... |
**Anna Derbakova:** Yeah, it's definitely gaining momentum, and I think more and more people are getting interested. And not just people in the community, we're talking big companies like WalMart, who came to IBM to partner together to build a supply chain solution. So a lot of big companies are interested, and some of... |
As far as being open source, I think it will continue to grow and evolve. It's very public right now on the Hyperledger wiki pages and forums, they're moving toward a new architecture right now, which will be early next year... So there's been a lot of changes, and I think people are hoping to use it more, they wanna g... |
The adoption is increasing. I think people are very curious about it in general, whether they're individual contributors out in the community, or companies; they wanna check out what's going on and where it's going. As far as being applicable to all areas of life, shall we say, I think people will start to kind of comp... |
But once people get to that point, and I think IBM has already some solutions out there for people to use; if people wanna go play around... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, people building business solutions around that, offering services... |
**Anna Derbakova:** They can go on Bluemix. We already have a Bluemix tile they can deploy, a simple network, and play around with it and start building against it. So they have a cloud offering. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Bluemix.com? |
**Anna Derbakova:** Bluemix.net. They can essentially create an account, it's very easy. Go to the Catalog, search for Blockchain, and it will explain to you what kind of network you're deploying. You can do some sample, click-click sort of thing and deploy some things to the network and learn about it, and then you ca... |
The latest thing that came out - it was actually just a couple weeks ago, and I presented that at the conference yesterday... There is now a set of Docker images which is available out on Docker Hub for the network peers for Hyperledger. Essentially, people can go and download the Docker images and spin them up on thei... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And where are these Docker images? On Docker Hub? |
**Anna Derbakova:** They're on Docker Hub, and I actually wrote a tutorial... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is there like a Getting Started anywhere...? |
**Anna Derbakova:** \[23:52\] Yeah, I wrote it, I can point it to you. It's bitly.com/hyperledger-basics. It is in my personal repo, because I published it, but there's links from my GitHub page to the Docker.io official page and other official documentation for Hyperledger, and people can start there. Or they can just... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We'll definitely link to that Getting Started, because I know for me, I'm still catching up. Even though we did the Ethereum show, I was still playing left field; my co-host, Jerod, was definitely driving that show a lot more, and I'm still trying to catch up. That's why I asked the question, "Can y... |
Let's talk about your talk real quick then. You gave this talk yesterday... What were some of the core takeaways you were hoping this community or the community listening to this show took away from your talk? What about blockchain matters to you? What do people need to know from your talk? |
**Anna Derbakova:** Yeah, so I think the biggest assumption I made going in is I said, "I will not assume that people know a whole lot about blockchain." The only thing I decided to assume is that they have heard of Bitcoin, that was my only assumption. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Wise choice. |
**Anna Derbakova:** And I think I made a very wise choice because I've received overwhelmingly positive feedback for my talk and how helpful it was in understanding blockchain. So I essentially started with Bitcoin... I said, "Hey, here's Bitcoin, you've all heard about it. It's built on blockchain, so let's dissect th... |
I think the introduction to blockchain in my talk was solid, people very much appreciated that. Then I talked about Hyperledger and that it's a collaborative effort under the Linux Foundation, and how people can get involved, get on Hyperledger.org, check out the docs, get on Slack and learn about it... I tried to kind... |
I'm obviously not advocating that Hyperledger Fabric is right for everyone; it just depends on what you're building. Then I showed how to write a simple app on Hyperledger Fabric, and I pointed people to my tutorial if they want to go and get started, and where to download the Docker images to their machine and how to ... |
That was the synopsis of my talk. People have asked if I maybe can post some slides... I'll try to figure out how to do that; I'm not sure if the conference has any... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Is this the first time you're sharing slides? |
**Anna Derbakova:** I think there must be some official place on the conference site to share them...? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm not aware... Maybe there is. |
**Anna Derbakova:** I'll ask, but otherwise I have a link to the tutorial, I'll tweet that out and people can try the tutorial. Like I said, bitly.com/hyperledger-basics. People can go and check it out... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We'll put that in the show notes for sure. |
**Anna Derbakova:** \[27:57\] Yeah, and if they have problems, I'll try to walk them through. We're very open to people joining, and we're trying to be a welcoming community. Like I said, we're on Slack all the time, people are welcome to ask questions, and a lot of people do take advantage of that opportunity, which i... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's talk about languages, because I went ahead and navigated to Fabric on GitHub, clicked on the little tab here that shows the languages; it shows that Go is 83%... So what is the language that writes most of -- at least what you're working on? I know you mentioned Node earlier, the Node SDK... H... |
**Anna Derbakova:** Yeah, so the Hyperledger Fabric Project, which is the core of this permission blockchain that IBM is providing is essentially mostly composed of Go, as you noticed. Go is a big part of the core implementation, the networking, the consensus - all of that is in Go. It does have, obviously, some other ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Some Cucumber for tests, Python, Java... |
**Anna Derbakova:** That's right. So, as you can see, there's Python, Java, and there's Node.js, but we're pulling Node.js out now into a separate repo. So essentially how it started is the decision was to move away from a REST interface on the peer nodes to a model of having SDK packages for different languages to com... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So this is the one you camp out on. |
**Anna Derbakova:** That's the one for Node.js. Then there's obviously a Java repo; that's mostly in Java, and that's for the Java SDK to communicate to the Fabric. Then there's a Python one they're working on. Those are obviously in the specific languages, and I don't know a whole lot, again, about Sawtooth Lake, so I... |
But yeah, mostly Go inside the Fabric core, and then specific languages for the SDKs. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very cool. Is there anything else for this audience that's listening to this that you might wanna share that I've left out, that I haven't asked you? |
**Anna Derbakova:** Well, I think we captured everything. Like I said, if you're interested in this, please go check out hyperledger.org, and if you have any questions, I really encourage you to join the Slack channel. If you just need any help and you can't figure out where the docs are, or what to clone, or how to be... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Hyperledger.slack.com. |
**Anna Derbakova:** Yeah. just get on Slack. There should be docs that tell you how to do that, but we understand they may still be difficult to navigate; just get on Slack and ask us. We camp out on Slack all day long. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Even on the weekends? |
**Anna Derbakova:** It might not be an immediate response, but you're gonna get it that day, I promise. Somebody's gonna come and help you. |
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