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Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":d9p9n4y9]
My class is also available.. see on the spanish forums.
Adolfo[/quote:d9p9n4y9]
Adolfo , can you direct to this your class ?
Regards ! |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":khstwk44]Remember that DBF's are read completely from disk, so if you have a browse , you will have to read ALL the 10.000's records together with ALL its fields, and also all the supporting DBF's related with the main one.[/quote:khstwk44]
Absolutely not! Sorry, but it looks like you don't know of wha... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":1avb49s7][quote="Adolfo":1avb49s7]Remember that DBF's are read completely from disk, so if you have a browse , you will have to read ALL the 10.000's records together with ALL its fields, and also all the supporting DBF's related with the main one.[/quote:1avb49s7]
Absolutely not! Sorry,... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hello,
I am following this topic with many interest.
Adolfo you can create a DBF or ADT (ads) table (file) with 1.000.000 records, then open and put it in a browse, the time for it is the same if you are opening a dbf with 100 records, then you can go to the last record or to the middle of the table and this don't ta... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":1fz1lgxo]SO when you use a browse to look at a DBF, YOU DONT READ THE WHOLE DBF ?[/quote:1fz1lgxo]
Exactly. If you want to access one record you have to read only that record.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote:nts5w8hl]>>...With DBFs you only have to read 10 records across the network, then you can display the browse.
James.. are you absolutely sure about this.... ?
Remember that DBF's are read completely from disk, so if you have a browse , you will have to read ALL the 10.000's records together with ALL its fields,... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Marcelo..
Thanks for answering...
Personally I think ADS is a good product, but very expensive to buy and to maintain, dedicated servers, the imposibility to hire a host with it, so little base knowledge in comparison with MYSQL, SQLITE, MS SQL, ORACLE, POSTGRES etc etc.and a performance not superior to any SQL engi... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
[quote:3jp841ea]>"Yes, I am positive. With DBFs you only ever have one record in memory at a time. With a browse you read each record then display it and continue until all the visible records are displayed."
SO you have to READ EVERY record ( to build a browse ), then reading the whole DBF with all its field... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="James Bott":3mdkikx4]Adolfo,
[quote:3mdkikx4]>"Yes, I am positive. With DBFs you only ever have one record in memory at a time. With a browse you read each record then display it and continue until all the visible records are displayed."
SO you have to READ EVERY record ( to build a browse ), then reading the... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote:18nch0cb]dedicated servers, the imposibility to hire a host with it, so little base knowledge in comparison with MYSQL, SQLITE, MS SQL, ORACLE, POSTGRES etc etc.and a performance not superior to any SQL engine, cause I don't think you can compare it to MYSQL SPEED or SQL SERVER.[/quote:18nch0cb]
What Adolfo is ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
[quote:wxmk0vvi]No James.. not the whole table.. just the recordset ( select id, name, address from clientes) not ( select * from clientes ) because I have tables with more than 50 fields, most of them codes or ids to other tables.[/quote:wxmk0vvi]
OK, by "whole table" I meant all the records of the table. Gr... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="James Bott":2kb6ocxy]With the DBF browse finding the record in 3 keystrokes, you have to read (at most) 30 records x 100 fields or 3000 fields.[/quote:2kb6ocxy]
Why 30? It seems to me that the number of records to read depends on the actual data.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | Enrico,
>Why 30? It seems to me that the number of records to read depends on the actual data.
Upon rethinking this it would actually be 40 counting the first display of records before the first keystroke.
So the first display is 10 records. After the first keystroke you jump to the first record starting with that k... |
Choosing SQL database ... | I don't understand. If I'm not missing something, 3-keys indexed incremental searching should requires the read of a maximum of 3 records, plus the read of the index tree, of course. Or am I wrong?
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | Enrico,
>I don't understand. If I'm not missing something, 3-keys indexed incremental searching should requires the read of a maximum of 3 records
I am also considering the browse showing 10 records. So the first keystroke uses the index to find the first match, then that record is displayed as the first record in th... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Yes, thank you. You are right.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | James..
Enrico
I'm preparing a test with a Network Traffic tool we have here, in order to analyze the traffic in both cases, a browse of a dbf with 300.00 records and a Mysql Table of the same size.
My problem is trying to isolate only the traffic for both cases, port 3306 is completely checked, but I have problems wi... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Sounds interesting. Thank you, Adolfo.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | Enrico...
There will be 4 tests..
DBF, SQL, DBF plus index, SQL plus index.. would be nice to know how the use of an index will affect the traffic... don't you think so ?
From Chile
Adolfo |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo;
Please, also compare speed. Go to the bottom of the list by pressing Cntrl-End, then press and keep pressed the uparrow key for a while. Watch the records scroll. After a while, Go to the top, do the same in the opposite direction. Then try incremental search.
Also, please test both using a server on th... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":3elvucwp]There will be 4 tests..
DBF, SQL, DBF plus index, SQL plus index.. would be nice to know how the use of an index will affect the traffic... don't you think so ?[/quote:3elvucwp]
Yes.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
[quote:ixgdpgdb]DBF, SQL, DBF plus index, SQL plus index.. would be nice to know how the use of an index will affect the traffic... don't you think so ?[/quote:ixgdpgdb]
I'm not sure what you are testing for. You cannot do an incremental search without an index.
I do not know exactly how a recordset is searc... |
Choosing SQL database ... | James...
I'll will measure data traffic (from opening the DBF til the browse is completely full ), then each keystroke till the record is found, using incremental search, then the same for ADO.
I'll will record times, and bytes received and transmited to the ports related to each case, 3306 when MYSQL is used and (a... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
I don't sure about the test, because SAMBA works like a file server then, it's different to a Database server, I think when you open a DBF with index, the index will load in memory and you will see in the network traffic, this is defferent when use DATABASE SERVER (MySQL, Postgres, ADS, etc), because all the w... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Marcelo...
That's the idea...
Measure the traffic in both situations, DBF's and ADO with similar Tables, size, n° of records and fields.
I Will put times, and number of bytes transmited and received in both cases. I made early tests with NETWORK PROBE 3.0 a very reliable network tool, freeware. and I have an adminis... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
Marcelo is right about the index loading. If the index is complex it could be similar in size to a recordset containing only a few fields. However, if the index contains only one field and the recordset contains lots of fields, (which is more typical) the index would be much smaller.
We will all be anxiously ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hi everybody..
I did the test this weekend. Got the results ( with some surprises...)
I'm going to tabulate them in an excel sheet, and upload it in an hour.
From Chile
Adolfo |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hi everybody.
Here you have the results for the test I did.
Client PC
Pentium 4
1 gb Ram
Xp Professional SP2
Ethernet DLink 100mb
Switch
TENDA 24 + 2 Web Administrable
Mysql Server
Athlon Xp
2 Gb Ram
Linux Fedora Core 8
Mysql 5.0.01
Ethernet Realtek 100MB
File Server
Pentium 4
4 Gb Ram
Windows 2003 Server
Ethern... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hi.
I'd like to see the SeekIncremental() function code as well, please?
Reinaldo. |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":19yv8f74]ADO's is slower when getting data, and also consumes more bandwith when you first call the xbrowse,but... thats all, after the job is done, no more net traffic is present.[/quote:19yv8f74]
This is expected. The slowness in getting data is exactly the problem. But it's not an ADO problem. It's ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Enrico...
Paging does a good trick when retrieving data is involved... both on the server ( because the DB and the ADO client supports PAGES ) or by prg code, for instance, I get a 30 items browse and I takes 0,00001 second to get filled, instead of the 4 seconds for the 400.000 items in the test table.
Now after a 1... |
Choosing SQL database ... | I'm not sure if you already did, but would you please point again to that thread where you publish your tado class?
Thank you,
Reinaldo. |
Choosing SQL database ... | OK, if I am reading the data properly, in all tests it took more network traffic to get to the end of the search result using a recordset than using a DBF (although not much of a difference). A further conclusion is that if the database was 10 times larger there would be ten times the network traffic using a recordset ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="reinaldocrespo":1udxrw82]I'm not sure if you already did, but would you please point again to that thread where you publish your tado class?
Thank you,
Reinaldo.[/quote:1udxrw82]
Reinaldo
Here you have the post.
Download it, try it, comment it
[url:1udxrw82]http://forums.fivetechsupport.com/... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":9dsm6qv6]Paging does a good trick when retrieving data is involved...[/quote:9dsm6qv6]
Sorry, but paging can't be achieved using standard SQL, that was my earlier objection.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":2pqqeijs][quote="Adolfo":2pqqeijs]Paging does a good trick when retrieving data is involved...[/quote:2pqqeijs]
Sorry, but paging can't be achieved using standard SQL, that was my earlier objection.
EMG[/quote:2pqqeijs]
Enrico.. download my class.
See the example...
See methods PgUp,P... |
Choosing SQL database ... | You are using LIMIT clause that is NOT standard SQL.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":tua78e50]You are using LIMIT clause that is NOT standard SQL.
EMG[/quote:tua78e50]mmm
yep.. you are rigth.. but you have the equivalent in.
Mysql= Select * from clientes limit 10
Sql Server= select top 10 from clientes
Oracle=select * from cliente where rownum <= 10
Postgress=select * f... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Ok. But this was exactly the point. We can't do fast incremental searching using SQL in an engine-independent way. SQL was been designed to be a "query-language" not for the modern interactive applications.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":2mckhnyv]Ok. But this was exactly the point. We can't do fast incremental searching using SQL in an engine-independent way. SQL was been designed to be a "query-language" not for the modern interactive applications.
EMG[/quote:2mckhnyv]
Enrico ,
Something I can't understand - ADO... |
Choosing SQL database ... | You have to load a recordset before ADO can do its magic. The problem is exactly this loading time.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":23ofo4hg]You have to load a recordset before ADO can do its magic. The problem is exactly this loading time.
EMG[/quote:23ofo4hg]
In one project today I have 2 DBF's tables of making of workers . The header is ~ 100 K records and second - ~ 7 millions records . As you can see - headi... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Rimantas;
That's really good.
Perhaps you'll be so kind as to show both code samples with performance description once you have it working with sql.
Thank you,
Reinaldo. |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Rimantas":y2b11uw1]But ... then opening this MDI child window with two browses it tooks some time - from 5 to 15 sec ...[/quote:y2b11uw1]
So you have something wrong in your code, nothing more.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | Rimantas,
[quote:13q715r7]Why ? The second browse is on the second folder tab . So with SQL I'll open recordset only for needful heading line , not all DBF as with ordscoping . [/quote:13q715r7]
I'm not sure what you are saying above, but if you think ordscope is reading the entire database just to display those reco... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="James Bott":344mt26h]Rimantas,
[quote:344mt26h]Why ? The second browse is on the second folder tab . So with SQL I'll open recordset only for needful heading line , not all DBF as with ordscoping . [/quote:344mt26h]
I'm not sure what you are saying above, but if you think ordscope is reading the entire databa... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Adolfo":ydb2xznw]
Here you have the post.
Download it, try it, comment it
[url:ydb2xznw]http://forums.fivetechsupport.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17178[/url:ydb2xznw]
Adolfo[/quote:ydb2xznw]
Adolfo ,
Perfect class ... <!-- s:-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" titl... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Rimantas":q7spu41a]I'm talking about this situation that at first I must OPEN the 2 dbfs with indexs - and that tooks amount of time .[/quote:q7spu41a]
Opening a DBF with indexes doesn't require any time. And the content of the DBF is irrelevant (ie. it doesn't make any differences to open an empty DBF or a mi... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":3uizrumn][quote="Rimantas":3uizrumn]I'm talking about this situation that at first I must OPEN the 2 dbfs with indexs - and that tooks amount of time .[/quote:3uizrumn]
Opening a DBF with indexes doesn't require any time. And the content of the DBF is irrelevant (ie. it doesn't make any ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Rimantas":3tzmyto1]from experience I can say that in MS wind servers networks the more reords in dbfs then you can feel the diff of openning time ...[/quote:3tzmyto1]
It doesn't make sense. Opening a file does not require to read its content. Please try a sample in your network that only does
USE YOURDBF
and... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":kiycb7an][
It doesn't make sense. Opening a file does not require to read its content. Please try a sample in your network that only does
USE YOURDBF
and then another one that opens the indexes too. The slowness in opening could be caused by something else in your code.
EMG[/quote:kiyc... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Rimantas":9gqxnz7g]It seems that we talking about different things ... <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:9gqxnz7g]
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Choosing SQL database ... | Rimantas,
I just did a test here on a peer-to-peer network and here are the times to open DBFs of different sizes.
First test
100 records = 70 milliseconds
1 million records = 110 milliseconds
Repeat test
100 records = 60 ms
1 million records = 50 ms
So, you can see there is no significant difference in the time it... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hello James,
please send me the code. I would be fine if we could establish a reference value table with test results from different networks. So if we install a program on the costumer side we could first ran the network-test-software to check if all is ok.
SQL
I had an internet application (booking system) where ... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Enrico Maria Giordano":1zc95j9s][quote="Rimantas":1zc95j9s]It seems that we talking about different things ... <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:1zc95j9s]
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Choosing SQL database ... | No problem, Rimantas.
EMG |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Otto":2p9fgmo8]
Also security is relative. In SQL you have one file if this is corrupt then all your data is lost. You can delete with on click a whole SQL server.
I had much work to keep the server always going. But as I say it depends on the purpose.
Programming is always at the end 0 or 1 and SQL has a good... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
Be honest
>you can also get changes back whenever you wanted
If you say “you” you mean a specialist an administrator.
If there is a problem with a dbase file I say please open the explorer and copy file A from the backup folder to your data folder.
I did much work with SQL SERVER and VB.NET. But I am glad t... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote:g2dbbjr7]>you can also get changes back whenever you wanted
If you say “you” you mean a specialist an administrator.[/quote:g2dbbjr7]
YES...me. If I Use SQL .. I have to know how to do this... If you work with DBF, at least you should know how to use DBU. Don't you?
[quote:g2dbbjr7]You can work with your passw... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hello Adolfo,
are you kidding.
I know that you are capable of.
I mean “you” in the sense of John Doe.
Her all the systems I know have WINDOWS installed. Therefore I can’t say anything about
LINUX.
Best regards,
Otto |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="Otto":1km3cb6w]Hello Adolfo,
are you kidding.
I know that you are capable of.
I mean “you” in the sense of John Doe.
Her all the systems I know have WINDOWS installed. Therefore I can’t say anything about
LINUX.
Best regards,
Otto[/quote:1km3cb6w]
YEP...LINUX Rocks
Sincerely.. I tried twice to have a dec... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Adolfo,
A hosted server sounds like a very good idea for most small businesses. I will keep it in mind. Thanks for the info.
Regards,
James |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hi, I know it is an old post, but how can I install the ODBC driver in silent mode? I am using this one, and the switch /s does not work
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Thank you very much.
Alvaro
[quote="anserkk":frgwbuza]De... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="alvaro533":1tqvjax9]Hi, I know it is an old post, but how can I install the ODBC driver in silent mode? I am using this one, and the switch /s does not work
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Thank you very much.
Alvaro
[/... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Thank you for your answer, Rimantas,
I have the app working fine with the driver installed. Now I have to send the program to my customers. I would like to be able to install the OBDC driver in silent mode, since some of my customers don't speak English and the driver instalation is in English. The parameter /S does n... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="alvaro533":1m0896v7]Thank you for your answer, Rimantas,
I have the app working fine with the driver installed. Now I have to send the program to my customers. I would like to be able to install the OBDC driver in silent mode, since some of my customers don't speak English and the driver instalation is in Engl... |
Choosing SQL database ... | Hi.
Going back to the comparison between dbfs and sql; I think it is hard to appreciate the magnitud of the advantages offered by an SQL server side engine (ADS, MySql, MSSql, ASE, iAnywhere, ...) that are simply impossible to reproduce with plain dbfs. For example:
1. Server side triggers. Yes -this is huge.
2. S... |
Choosing SQL database ... | [quote="reinaldocrespo":1ciorz8k]Hi.
Going back to the comparison between dbfs and sql; I think it is hard to appreciate the magnitud of the advantages offered by an SQL server side engine (ADS, MySql, MSSql, ASE, iAnywhere, ...) that are simply impossible to reproduce with plain dbfs. For example:
1. Server side t... |
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I am happily generating forms as postscript files and can print them and delete them via lpr. I would like to specify the printer that they are sent to. lpr supports this via the -P option. I wanted to get a list of printers bur GetPrinters() didn't seem to exist. I got a linker error. GetDefaultPrint... |
Choosing and Saving Printer Bin | Hi,the TPrinter-method SetBin(nBin) can address a bin available on the printer. But is there also a method to save the bin a user has chosen in the printer setup dialog? For example, if he chooses the "tractor", I want to save it in an .ini-file and if he prints the same form again use this setting for default. |
Choosing and Saving Printer Bin | The function PrnBinSource() returns the currently selected bin.EMG |
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Choosing and Saving Printer Bin | Enrico,after choosing the printer with prnsetup() the answer I get for PrnBinSource() always is 15, no matter which printer I choose and which tray/bin I choose. this is my sourcecode for testing:[code:3dkh8juc] aNeuDrucker := PrnSetup()
MsgInfo("Printer-bin: "+str(PrnBinSource())&#... |
Choosing and Saving Printer Bin | Maybe a bug in PrnBinSource(), I don't know, sorry.EMG |
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Happy holidays and may all your wishes come true.
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