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general rayburn we're going to break. would you please hold through and we'll come back to this conversation.
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clearly is africa, while.
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general rayburn, kim here, we've got a caller that would like to make a comment. lauren, are you there?
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good. what's on your mind. we have a major general, bentley rayburn on the other line.
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lauren, did you have another comment? we're going to be coming in a break here shortly.
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no, no, that's all. i, i just wanted to chime in with that.
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okay. well thanks for the call. we greatly appreciate it.
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when we come back from break, do you mind holding through, it's going to be a little bit of a long break, but i'd like to get your thoughts on that. if you have time
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nice and crisp out, nice fall day as it were, what is new with the weather in toronto?
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the weather right now is about 19, and cloudy.
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but no, this is very exciting. this is the premier, the big debut of a podcast that i think we, you know, want to do at least once a week to talk about television and sports.
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and, anything interesting going on in the world. and i can't think of a better person to do it with, than yourself.
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on today's show, we're going to be talking about the nfl replacement referees and the disaster that has been.
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we'll touch on the nhl lockout as well, and how bleak that is looking.
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so, we'll break down some of the most important moments from sunday's broadcast. but what happened on sunday night.
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does not compare in the slightest to what happened a mere 24 hours later,
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that was something else. and you know, it would have to be close to impossible for everyone to not have heard by now, the controversy going on in the nfl.
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so far this season, you know, the league has been using these replacement referees due to a referee lockout.
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you know, there have been a ton of blown calls, a ton of missed calls.
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what happened in the final seconds of the monday nighter this week.
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which you just heard between the packers and the seahawks.
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was definitely the breaking point.
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what happened on monday night is very much the straw that i think broke the nfl's back.
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they look at each other, they look down at the players, they look at each other, and then they make two separate calls.
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you know, every call that has been blown or missed before this was definitely a joke.
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but when a replacement referee turns a win into a loss.
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that's the integrity of the game going down the drain.
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and i think the league has really been erupting into chaos now, wouldn't you say steve?
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and i mean, that's really what it comes down to for the league is, is this turning into a joke? i mean-
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again, it was a penalty call against the coach.
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it seems to be getting worse. you know, you would think that as these referees, who, by the way.
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have come out of division three ncaa and the ranks of high school football. so
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you would think that as the weeks go on, they would get better. but, obviously the games have gotten worse
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and more ridiculous in terms of cause. if you look at that fourth quarter packer, seahawks, there was almost a flag on every single play,
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they can't seem to decide on what is offensive pass interference and defensive pass interference.
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they are clearly more than a step or two behind.
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as you just mentioned, they are not professionals. they are not the nfl standard.
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so as much as it's hard not to yell at the refs when you're watching these games.
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bothered enough to stop this madness.
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it's getting worse and worse. how do you not absolutely just hate this guy right now.
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i mean, i agree. and for a game that makes so much money, you have all these other sports that are in financial disarray right now, the nhl,
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included from that, nascar has low attendance. the nba is just coming off of lockout.
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all these other labor negotiations and strife and the nfl is the one leg that is consistently, all teams are making money,
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they have massive television contract. revenues and profits.
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sky high. and they can't seem to get this sorted out with referees. it's a bit of a joke, to be honest.
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it's the greatest league in all of sports. and you think about how rich their history is and how many years it's taken to earn this reputation.
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and now it's all crumbling down as if nothing matters.
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and small little anecdote about where these referees are coming from. and this is absolutely true.
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not a joke. there was an article posted while it was on yahoo.com. so take for that, but,
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has mocked the nfl for its low officiating standards.
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and that one of the referees that reffed the baltimore new england game.
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was a former referee from the lingerie football league.
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wow. and that just goes to show you how big of a mess it is.
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another issue, steve, that i think we should talk about is that-
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not only are the calls being blown and missed-
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but i think the safety of the nfl is coming into question. now with the last few weeks, there have been some devastating hits.
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and therefore feel like they can do whatever they want. it's one thing, if the replacement referees are getting calls wrong.
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i think that's a huge issue for player safety.
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and aaron rogers echoed those sentiments-
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he gave an interview to a newspaper in wisconsin yesterday.
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and he said, we put our bodies, our livelihood on the line and you can't possibly tell me the way things are going right now that player safety is being held to the same standard it was.
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the product that is on the field is not being complemented by an appropriate set of officials. that games are getting out of control. and, like i said in the first week, i'm okay with replacement refs.
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you know, another anecdote here, sports center on espn following the game on monday night-
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had its highest ratings in 17 years.wow.
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talking about that patriots ravens game, you know.
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and not that i'm defending any kind of action like that, but ...
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there's a sense of, even for the coaches, i can't remember who it was, but some coach was trying to call a time out.
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so it's like, there's just a sense of confusion among coaches and players, that they can't even get a sense of what these referees are even talking about.
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and another point that was actually brought up by one of the guys that creates the lines in vegas,
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was that they're having change their odds to more increasingly favor the home team because they are finding that the refs,
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for whatever reason, you know, i'm sure some of them are obvious that if you're a new ref, you're imagine if you're that ref in seattle,
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whether or not that call was actually right or wrong, which it was wrong.
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but, the call in the field was a touchdown. imagine if on monday night, the winning touchdown, you now have to announce to the crowd.
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which would've been the right call. but if you're a first time referee, probably his first monday night game.
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another thing to do with gambling. i heard that because of the results on monday night,
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crazy, it's insane. and it's tough to talk about gambling when you're talking about the integrity of the game, but gambling is a huge thing for the nfl.
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if they didn't have gambling like that, the league wouldn't survive.
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between the browns, the browns are playing that game.
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they're they are talking, i believe, but roger goodell-
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had already planned this meeting before the monday night mess.
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so, do you really think, how long maybe i should say this? how long does this continue?
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i don't foresee it ending this week and possibly even next week.
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but, i think the league is pretty adamant in their stance and, they obviously haven't shown that they were affected by this call.
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it's unfortunate because the dollars that we're talking about are not a lot and i think what the
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regular referees are asking for, it's just a full time job.
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i mean, as it is now, they're getting paid per game.
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for a league that makes so much money, it's unfortunate that it is that way. and so, at least for me, i'm siding with the referees
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but hopefully they can get this resolved sooner than later because it's getting out of hand. and you're right, it's destroying the integrity of the game.
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so let's go from one stubborn commissioner to the next
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that was maxim afinogenov scoring for ska dynamo.
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the game winning goal against dynamo moscow.
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i did, it was on my nhl center ice international package edition.
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well, at least we're seeing some hockey, but yeah, you do see some of those highlights on sports center and the highlight shows, but ...
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to talk about the nhl lockout, they are meeting on friday.
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yes. it's quite crazy how, you know, the nfl is going through what it's going through, which we just discussed. and now-
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we discussed yet another lockout, which some of the spotlight actually was taken from it because of the monday night mess.
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they're not discussing core economic issues on friday, they're discussing stuff like grievances and medical stuff. so,
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i'm not saying that the meeting is not going to be worth it. i think meeting is better than not meeting, but-
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again, i think it looks very bleak in the sense that they're so far apart.
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and you know, the players are used to a cba.
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