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but... they're always working for something that we can recognize as good.
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hannibal lecter, from "the silence of the lambs", "hannibal the cannibal", "i ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."
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he's absolutely a monster, he's terrifying,
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but you have to admit it. aren't your favorite scenes in that movie the scenes with hannibal lecter in them?
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1980, john carpenter came out with the movie "escape" from new york. kurt russell played snake plissken, a mercenary who'd been captured, sent to prison, that prison being the island of manhattan.
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is snake plissken a scoundrel? is he an anti-hero?
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now, "ain't it cool news" was founded by harry knowles, but he's not the only contributor. there's actually quite a few. one of them is a guy who goes by the name quint.
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so he's being very specific about what counts as a prequel.
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that had them eating monkey brains and just all kinds of stuff that seemed tailored towards the kids. and it was, but
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he starts off the movie in a fancy white tux ala bond.
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he is not trading for a better piece. he's trying to make a mint from a shanghai gangster with a fetish for the remains of chinese emperors.
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he comes to recognize the plight of the children who have been enslaved by the thuggies,
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he became the good guy. he was still an outlaw, still kind of a rogue.
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combined with the aspect of fun, because again, there are anti-heroes who are heroes.
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and he does so while dismissing the expectations of society having fun in his own way.
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so welcome to the su show here on [inaudible 00:01:39]...
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speaker 2: [inaudible 00:01:25], i'm joined again by the fantastic miss fox. hello janine, how are you?
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it's just, yeah, for this referendum is just a yes or no answer, so it's really, really simple. so literally whatever the outcome is, we will act on that basically.
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and say, for example, most...that the majority of students...also i'll first clarify, is it only students who can vote in this?
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...see how we can help them out in the process, but it will be the university delivering it, not the students' union.
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and do you have any sort of more details at this stage, for example, timescale? so the referendum is all this week, monday to friday?
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...see themselves of being part of that specific club. which like i say it is a shame, but the more that we can interact with our students, sorry...
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...the better our voter turnout will be.
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so coinciding with this referendum is the by-election as well. can you just tell us a bit more about that?
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because there's no clear remit for those roles, it's essentially if, i'm just guessing here, if the student has a particular ...
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...issue or a particular matter they'd like, they wish to resolve, they wish to work on. if there's a particular, you know, part of the university that they want to see change then they can focus on that and...
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did the nominations open the elections, sorry, the voting commence for that?
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i suppose something else we can cover is the snowflake ball. that is very exciting. so is...
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...is there a limit or a cap on the general tickets as well? i mean, are they likely to sell out very...
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i've got this beautiful frog planned idea. you'll just have to see it.
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it wasn't, it was just, it was just a bit of fun, i think. it was, it was brought up and we said, you know, we're talking about american proms and that kind of thing.
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and what if someone gets nominated, for example, and they haven't actually bought a ticket? they're not actually at the event.
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wow. it's a big game to play.
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about the smoking referendum, should there be smoking zones introduced on campus?
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founding support for state of wonder is provided by the paul g. allen family foundation. additional funding, by the u.s bank foundation and chuck and nancy toman.
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also, funding for arts and culture programming on opb is provided by the robert d. and marcia h. randall charitable trust and the oregon arts commission.
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rich wandschneider has been living in wallowa county since 1978. he has worked as a county extension agent, as a bookseller
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and in the past, as a director of fishtrap for 20 years. rich, welcome to state of wonder.
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kim stafford is with us as well. he's a poet and educator who helped rich and alvin josephy co-found fishtrap in 1988.
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he's also the founding director of the northwest writing institute. kim, welcome, and thank you for being...
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and
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rose kassler is a horse trainer who lives in lostine. she took her first fishtrap workshop at the tender age of 15 and now chairs the fishtrap board. rose kassler, welcome to you as well.
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kim, you told me that you became interested in the mid 1980s about this idea.
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maybe what oregon needed was a writing conference that was specific to the state.
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and you got this off the ground at lewis and clark college in portland.
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will you tell us about this guy who showed up?
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oh yeah. i work at a graduate school. i'm a scholar, i've been to conferences
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so i put the word out, "we're going to have writing in oregon: a gathering." it was just an informal get-together for writers, readers, publishers, and so on.
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and one of the people who came was this big guy from eastern oregon, rich wandschneider.
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and he announced in a beautiful, gently belligerent way-
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you know, we're in portland here. this is the i-5 writers gathering. if you want to meet at the heart of the northwest...
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...that would be wallowa county. and i called his bluff and said, "let's do it."
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rich wandschneider, did you ever think when you stood up and said that, that kim would take you up on this?
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well, i'd known him a little bit. see, i started the bookstore here in '76. i think that was the same year that kim came as a poet in the schools.
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so kim and i had met then and we had some relationship.
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and i guess we were young. kim mentions the fact that in those days we were young and everything was possible. so when he said that, it was a...
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...easy challenge. sure, let's move it to the wallowas. and so there we were.
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did you agree with this initially, kim? sure, the guys standing up and saying this, you can say, "okay, rich, whatever" but...
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i came here when i was 12 years old and we camped up lostine canyon and i wanted to get back. so it kind of worked out for me.
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rose kassler, what were your early memories of having all these writers show up in town?
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well, i was excited to get to be around them and they were asking questions that i hadn't heard people ask before.
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i think they were asking questions that...
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that urged me as a writer to write about who i really was and think about where i'd grown up in a kind of objective way and having just grown up here and taking it all for granted and think it's totally normal to be out...
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...killing bears with your father and riding horses in the mountains and all those things. it, it made me realize, wait a second, this is a little different. and maybe i have something to say.
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and that really has led me into a lot of friendships and interesting places in my life.
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rich wandschneider, alvin josephy would've been a hundred years old this year. he was a journalist and editor. mid-century guy who, you know, saw through world war ii and...
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...eventually got assigned a story out here and totally fell for the place. you worked with him on many projects over the years, but he was really best known...
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...as a chronicler of native american life in america at that time. why did fishtrap matter to him? why was this something that he felt needed to be here?
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well, i think we can go back to the first fishtrap. so kim challenges me. i get a hold of alvin. alvin says that's a good idea.
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he said, "you know, i've been going to these conferences in sun valley..."
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..."and one of the things that bugs me is that the new york times sends me the wrong books to read by the wrong authors about the west."
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"why don't we bring some eastern publishers out and show them some western writers?"
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and there we had the theme for the first fishtrap. so it was imp...
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and alvin saw this as a place also to gather his friends.
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bill kittredge and richard white, that's what happened.
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what was the reaction of the publishers who you invited out here? did they just nod and smile and who knows what they thought when they went back?
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do you remember, kim? who was that lady from the new yorker magazine?
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yes. and she said...well, when i grew up in new york, mothers didn't cook.
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we had cooks in her house. and there was another, there was an agent who said she'd flown into pendleton and then...
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...drove here. and she lived her whole life in new york. and she said, "i didn't realize clouds had shadows."
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did you feel at the time like western writers just weren't taken that seriously?
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they weren't. western writing was, i mean, wallace stegner said this. wallace stegner's books were not kept in print.
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southern writing was national writing, but not western writing.
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what do you have in mind for the people who are coming who are just starting to explore their own writing? what do they need to see among western writers that have come before them?
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they need to hear the tone of silence in the room when they tell a story or read a page. that there's a hunger for what they have...
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...and then they become self-propelled to go the distance as rose has...
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...to just follow their voice where it wants to go.
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rose kessler, to that point, you came as an aspiring young writer. what did you learn here?
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what did...i learned in fishtrap that where i grew up was really special. and the voice that i had to offer was something different and that it was worth writing and...
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...and to not worry about all the things that i wasn't, but i guess to focus on what i was and what i did have to offer and have faith that people would sort of find that interesting.
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i went and i ended up working in his office in a working student position.
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how did your life here and your orientation to your writing, how did that color your interactions with the people that you met?
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well, i think there was, it was at first kind of a cultural exchange. i think there was a lot of...
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lewis and clark is a really diverse and international school and kids come from all over the us and the world to study there.
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i think i was probably a little sheltered at that time. i hadn't been a lot of places. and one thing that i remember...
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...is that the summer before i went to college i shot a four-point buck. and i was really proud of that, like four points it's nice sized, you know, and it was delicious. it fed my family.
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and so my dad and i made it into a european mount, which is where you have the skull and the antlers attached to one another and the bone is all clean and white. and i think it's very beautiful.
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so i took that with me to school and i hung it on the wall and immediately, i was known as the girl with the shrine to death.
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it was a prize and that it was really an accomplishment.
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well, it's gotten me a lot of jobs because people love that i can make a complete sentence and edit things properly. and it's also made me a lot of friends.
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