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True | gimpwiz | null | >People used to joke java is C++--, where the designers kept the good parts of C++ and removed the confusing parts. After all these years I still think that's pretty accurate.
That seems accurate. Trade the confusing powerful parts for simplicity and you get a relatively versatile language, good for a great many us... | null | 0 | 1319335832 | False | 0 | c2tnwes | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tnwes | t1_c2tnnfx | null | 1427769389 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | aslate | null | That's an interesting conclusion to reach seeing as it's normalised. | null | 0 | 1319336052 | False | 0 | c2tnxbn | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tnxbn | t1_c2tmz9e | null | 1427769400 | 34 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319336230 | False | 0 | c2tny2a | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tny2a | t1_c2tnfid | null | 1427769409 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | noname-_- | null | Yes, being able to pick up a language fast is definitely great. I'm just saying that that getting into a language and produce compiling, working code doesn't take that long. But learning a language well usually takes a quite a while longer.
You're right about that programmers should be flexible of course. Limiting you... | null | 0 | 1319336317 | False | 0 | c2tnyf6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tnyf6 | t1_c2tnvqu | null | 1427769414 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | quakank | null | Having been forced to use it more often than not in school, I fucking hate it.
It's not bad though. I just hates it. | null | 0 | 1319336491 | False | 0 | c2tnz5c | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tnz5c | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769424 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sporkexec | null | Thank you for explaining this. I hear this "TIOBE is so flawed, you're so stupid for even bringing it up" sentiment all the time, but this is the first time I've heard someone actually explain why. | null | 0 | 1319336563 | False | 0 | c2tnzg4 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tnzg4 | t1_c2tnfid | null | 1427769437 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CrossTheBlades | null | I agree with you on this for the most part.
After developing in Java and C# / .NET for years I've recently gone back and began working in C++ for the first time in forever. I'm picking up the language and how to write in it rather quickly, but coding the *C++* way is a lot different than doing it in C#. | null | 0 | 1319336817 | False | 0 | c2to0h6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to0h6 | t1_c2tnqcf | null | 1427769441 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | seanmccleary | null | Yes! That's the one! Roslyn = best project ever. I wonder if Holling would use it? | null | 0 | 1319336826 | False | 0 | c2to0ie | t3_ll5d1 | null | t1_c2to0ie | t1_c2tnpjo | null | 1427769442 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | angsty_geek | null | Java "the language" is okay. It's actually pretty simple (compared to say, C++), and really nothing special.
The problem with Java is all the bullshit that comes with it: bloated "app servers", ridiculously slow build systems (maven downloads the entire internet, etc.), over engineered APIs (the original EJB crap come... | null | 0 | 1319337155 | False | 0 | c2to1u0 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to1u0 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769460 | 123 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sporkexec | null | It's been a couple years and I still giggle uncontrollably every time I see that namespace syntax. | null | 0 | 1319337155 | False | 0 | c2to1u2 | t3_lk7ru | null | t1_c2to1u2 | t1_c2tfmrb | null | 1427769460 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bobx11 | null | I think that's what most schools said 10 years ago. Schools like MIT use Python as that language now in place of Java... so, you may want to skip Java? | null | 0 | 1319337387 | False | 0 | c2to2qt | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to2qt | t1_c2tnmux | null | 1427769471 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Zak | null | >Also, as someone who has 10+ years experience with C. It's simply not something you learn in a week.
I was making the assumption that a good programmer already knows C. While not 100%, this seems to be the case most of the time.
> But if you only ever programmed java...
Someone who has only programmed in one ... | null | 0 | 1319337446 | False | 0 | c2to2yy | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to2yy | t1_c2tnqcf | null | 1427769476 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Thank you. The C# example made it really clear to understand. | null | 0 | 1319337702 | False | 0 | c2to3zo | t3_lkmhy | null | t1_c2to3zo | t1_c2tl1p2 | null | 1427769495 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Ambulance_Artist | null | I already learned it all in C++. | null | 0 | 1319337770 | False | 0 | c2to4ae | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to4ae | t1_c2to2qt | null | 1427769494 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dcoutts | null | Actually I see this as a feature. You can write both clear high level and fast ugly low level code in the same language. This is much nicer than using two different languages (e.g. python and C). For one thing you get the same types and interfaces for high and low level, and you can pick almost any point in the continu... | null | 0 | 1319337986 | False | 0 | c2to555 | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2to555 | t1_c2thusg | null | 1427769502 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | "Herp derp garbage collection is so hard" | null | 0 | 1319338045 | False | 0 | c2to5d3 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to5d3 | t1_c2tnkye | null | 1427769505 | 31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | I like how you use the word 'interesting' instead of 'incorrect' :) Have an upvote. | null | 0 | 1319338083 | False | 0 | c2to5j6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to5j6 | t1_c2tnxbn | null | 1427769507 | 20 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | noname-_- | null | There are a lot of (good) programmers nowadays that don't know C. The courses they took at the university were all Java and now they're either still on Java or doing C#. | null | 0 | 1319338103 | False | 0 | c2to5lz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to5lz | t1_c2to2yy | null | 1427769508 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | fucking hipsters | null | 0 | 1319338173 | False | 0 | c2to5wp | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to5wp | t1_c2tnjxw | null | 1427769513 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | Simplicity has always been a design goal of Java. A simple languages means complicated (or at least verbose) code. Sex appeal was not a goal.
In this context simplicity means a lack of features (generics, value semantics, all that crazy shit you read about when you read a C++ standard). Many languages could be describ... | null | 0 | 1319338261 | False | 0 | c2to69i | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to69i | t1_c2tnbax | null | 1427769516 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I find it to be really useful for PHP, however not much more than that. Still a nice find though. :) | null | 0 | 1319338294 | False | 0 | c2to6f5 | t3_ll65v | null | t1_c2to6f5 | t3_ll65v | null | 1427769519 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | Heh, I don't think people are necessarily to blame (not even people trying to retain their job :) ). But your point about a lack of powerful language features is spot on. | null | 0 | 1319338306 | False | 0 | c2to6g6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to6g6 | t1_c2tng6m | null | 1427769519 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | Yep, despite what people wish C# and .NET change too fast for a third party to effectively support extra platforms.
Also, running a framework on a platform that's not supported by the 1st party in charge of that framework leaves me a little uneasy. | null | 0 | 1319338447 | False | 0 | c2to71r | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to71r | t1_c2tnkc0 | null | 1427769527 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | Do you think it's suffering from feature creep? The first time I looked at it I thought "hey, Microsoft finished their version of Java", now it looks like an horrific monstrosity which lets me do all the stupid things that I can do in a powerful language like D or C++ (reflection, generics, function objects) but none o... | null | 0 | 1319338569 | False | 0 | c2to7jb | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to7jb | t1_c2tnd27 | null | 1428191454 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | superjordo | null | The only way this makes economic sense is if MS Office is adding .NET scripting and needed this work. | null | 0 | 1319338626 | False | 0 | c2to7rr | t3_ll5d1 | null | t1_c2to7rr | t1_c2tl4hw | null | 1427769551 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | apullin | null | Yes. It's terrible.
Look at Android. It uses Java and it barely works. | null | 0 | 1319338789 | False | 0 | c2to8h6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to8h6 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769553 | -11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Considering that Java is basically the only language they teach in colleges (much to my dismay) I would say no among low/entry level programmers.
Among experienced developers and project leaders? Still no. Just as many are coming in as are going out. Despite how you feel about it, it's an deeply established languag... | null | 0 | 1319338932 | False | 0 | c2to927 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to927 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769560 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Keganator | null | Java is popular the same way COBOL was popular: it gets you a job.
Now if you want a *fun* language... ;) | null | 0 | 1319338977 | False | 0 | c2to99g | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2to99g | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769561 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamatsu | null | Well, aside from some bugs resulting from unpretty combinations of extensions (newtype deriving and type families), the type system is sound in SafeHaskell. | null | 0 | 1319339026 | False | 0 | c2to9hk | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2to9hk | t1_c2tkskj | null | 1427769563 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | berlinbrown | null | In terms of programming career, there are still niche languages and platforms. The Java Platform is a niche platform for Enterprise Web Application development with your typical IT infrastructure.
If you have a big database and you want push that data to the web and if you have the money, then you use a Java web appl... | null | 0 | 1319339164 | False | 0 | c2toa3q | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toa3q | t1_c2tnix1 | null | 1427769567 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamatsu | null | >don't buy minimalism - they want all features.
Since when is *industry* a major target audience for XMonad?
> An experienced programmer could explain these in a single sentence. Monads need an average of one paper and three blog posts.
.. to someone who already understands OOP. To someone who already understa... | null | 0 | 1319339238 | True | 0 | c2toafm | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2toafm | t1_c2tkgut | null | 1427769571 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | > So you're saying that proper variance makes the type system more complex, and that this complexity is not justified by the extra expressiveness this brings you.
I don't know if I *personally* feel that way, but I think that's the reasoning behind the design. I would qualify that, though with "not justified by the... | null | 0 | 1319339369 | False | 0 | c2toazf | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2toazf | t1_c2tn0e2 | null | 1427769585 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | magila | null | > Many languages could be described as 'simple' even though they are very powerful, I consider this to be 'elegance' rather than simplicity.
I don't think you're going to find too many people who would call Java "elegant". Java is like those plastic scissors they give you in kindergarten. It's easy to use and hard ... | null | 0 | 1319339389 | False | 0 | c2tob1q | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tob1q | t1_c2to69i | null | 1427769585 | 36 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | beguiledfoil | null | Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Java was elegant, just clarifying what I meant by simple.
Java is simple and inelegant. | null | 0 | 1319339508 | False | 0 | c2tobi9 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tobi9 | t1_c2tob1q | null | 1427769587 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | What happened in 2004? | null | 0 | 1319339532 | False | 0 | c2tobm0 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tobm0 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769589 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | That requires every person implementing every layer of the code to carefully consider what they intend to do with an object. If I create a list and pass it from A, which calls B, which calls C, which calls D, which calls E and any one of those accidentally picks the wrong interface (or asks for both interfaces) then th... | null | 0 | 1319339541 | False | 0 | c2tobn8 | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2tobn8 | t1_c2tn3ci | null | 1427769589 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamatsu | null | SML has some awesome, I'll give you that ;) | null | 0 | 1319339558 | False | 0 | c2tobq4 | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tobq4 | t1_c2tklt2 | null | 1427769590 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319339668 | False | 0 | c2toc77 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toc77 | t1_c2tngbx | null | 1427769594 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamatsu | null | I'm in Australia, we have a strong Haskell current here because many of our major universities work with it (ANU and UNSW in particular), we have the NICTA seL4 project which is prototyped and specified in Haskell, we have a couple of companies, mostly in finance, working with it, and I know of at least one startup usi... | null | 0 | 1319339712 | True | 0 | c2tocef | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tocef | t1_c2tkg3o | null | 1427769597 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | > Won't happen for the same reason that there aren't good tools for type checking Ruby or Python code. If you want to check for a property you have to design your language accordingly.
Right. I believe that Dart *has* been designed accordingly. For example:
* Classes are created declaratively and statically: you c... | null | 0 | 1319339889 | False | 0 | c2tod3d | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2tod3d | t1_c2tn6zf | null | 1427769606 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319339929 | False | 0 | c2tod90 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tod90 | t1_c2tm5ll | null | 1427769608 | -16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | I'm probably part of those "official" channels, so if there's stuff that doesn't come across well, I'd definitely like to know. Our intention isn't to hype or misrepresent the language, and we certainly don't want to cram it down anyone's throat. But we do want to try to explain where we're coming from and why we think... | null | 0 | 1319340003 | False | 0 | c2todjs | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2todjs | t1_c2tn3ls | null | 1427769614 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | > There was noop language discussed ~2yrs ago which was developed largely by googlers
"By Googlers" doesn't mean it's a Google language. Magpie, Factor, and SASS are all by Googl*ers* but none of them are considered by Goo*gle*. Google is just more open to its employees working on personal open source projects than... | null | 0 | 1319340156 | False | 0 | c2toe6p | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2toe6p | t1_c2tnmie | null | 1427769620 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319340168 | False | 0 | c2toe7u | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toe7u | t1_c2tnwes | null | 1427769621 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319340427 | False | 0 | c2tofbn | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tofbn | t1_c2tngbx | null | 1427769644 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CootieKing | null | > ... normal corporate environment where teams are large and half the people are below average.
Sad but true. | null | 0 | 1319340674 | False | 0 | c2togel | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2togel | t1_c2tnnfx | null | 1427769659 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I used JVM instead of Java just to match the line in [*radio ga ga*](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZevhCmBN6I). I knew someone would complain. Why can't developers grant poetic license? (note: I know why)
I still love Java, and while it is very difficult to innovate when it's tied up by back-compatibility, I think i... | null | 0 | 1319340852 | False | 0 | c2toh6l | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toh6l | t1_c2tngbx | null | 1428191451 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Flarelocke | null | > An experienced programmer could explain these in a single sentence. Monads need an average of one paper and three blog posts.
The point was that these are tolerated because they are already familiar, while those used by the Haskell community are not familiar. Nowadays, OO languages are starting to use inscrutabl... | null | 0 | 1319340928 | False | 0 | c2tohjf | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tohjf | t1_c2tkgut | null | 1427769669 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | elder_george | null | I understand this. The problem is, sometimes people tend to see company blessing in situations where there's no one. And, for some reason, it makes them bitching.
That's [what happened with `noop`](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9lfuh/google_delivers_new_javalike_language_noop/c0d99iv). | null | 0 | 1319341084 | False | 0 | c2toi6z | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2toi6z | t1_c2toe6p | null | 1427769674 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nighthawk7000 | null | One of my professors a few years back described C very well:
You can love C as much as you want, but it will always hate you.
EDIT: That said. I fucking love C, and I will die with it's reference in hand. | null | 0 | 1319341154 | False | 0 | c2toihi | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toihi | t1_c2tnci9 | null | 1427769677 | 70 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FCof | null | the success of free software is not that every free software project is successful and great, but that some projects, perhaps just a handful (I'd argue that there are many more than a handful) are successful and influential.
On the same line, if there is a community behind GTK, the KDE comunity, and others, may get beh... | null | 0 | 1319341163 | False | 0 | c2toiil | t3_ljtxb | null | t1_c2toiil | t1_c2tnfrs | null | 1427769677 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | l312 | null | Java is waaay over-engineered. 100 mbytes just for the basic JVM. (from Oracle, of course)
| null | 0 | 1319341255 | False | 0 | c2toix6 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toix6 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769681 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zingbot3000 | null | > normal corporate environment where teams are large and half the people are below average
Then FIRE THEM. Why is this so hard? | null | 0 | 1319341518 | False | 0 | c2tok2a | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tok2a | t1_c2tnnfx | null | 1427769697 | -10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | PastafarianTwit | null | I would agree, I think I've learned more from C than any other language. I still get annoyed with some of the higher level languages and always ask, "well, how does *this* actually work and how efficient is it?" | null | 0 | 1319341606 | False | 0 | c2tokgk | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tokgk | t1_c2toihi | null | 1427769712 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | columbine | null | I wasn't suggesting yourself or the Dart team made that claim, but it's been something thrown a bit in recent discussions over the language. | null | 0 | 1319341835 | False | 0 | c2tolh2 | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2tolh2 | t1_c2tjycf | null | 1427769717 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | PstScrpt | null | I know it's not perfect, but I still wish const had stayed in. | null | 0 | 1319341866 | False | 0 | c2tollf | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tollf | t1_c2tnnfx | null | 1427769720 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jcleblanc | null | This is typical of APIs that that have their authorization mechanism based in OAuth. This also provides a great way for users to be able to see applications that they grant access for and revoke access as needed. | null | 0 | 1319341886 | False | 0 | c2tolor | t3_lk7w2 | null | t1_c2tolor | t1_c2tdu6a | null | 1427769721 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | specialk16 | null | Most people use IDEs for for integration with other tools and collaboration. It saves a lot of time, especially in corporate environments. It's hardly "crap". | null | 0 | 1319341936 | False | 0 | c2tolvx | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tolvx | t1_c2tnhjt | null | 1427769723 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | columbine | null | To clarify, I'm aware that this wasn't a claim by the Dart team themselves. My comment was addressed towards those speculations I saw a number of times in recent Dart-related stories from various onlookers. | null | 0 | 1319342113 | False | 0 | c2tommq | t3_lkpil | null | t1_c2tommq | t1_c2tk8az | null | 1427769742 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | GeneralMaximus | null | Something something Emacs something. | null | 0 | 1319342407 | False | 0 | c2tonvj | t3_ll5d1 | null | t1_c2tonvj | t1_c2tkmah | null | 1427769749 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cuWest383p | null | I wasn't implying that the project is dead or anything, I was just saying this isn't newsworthy. If the reason for that post is 0.7.1 release, than it should have been posted days, not months after that. If they want exposure for the project, it would probably be better to write an article about it and link to that. | null | 0 | 1319342445 | False | 0 | c2too0v | t3_lkszr | null | t1_c2too0v | t1_c2tjeln | null | 1427769749 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | caseyteo | null | Computer is like us a human. It wakes up early in the morning when you ON it and work, work and work all day long. Some times computer will falls sick like us and when this happen we need to send the computer to see a doctor or worse when it has to be hospitalized. | null | 0 | 1319342458 | False | 0 | c2too2y | t3_llpg0 | null | t1_c2too2y | t3_llpg0 | null | 1427769749 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Solon1 | null | Of course Java is less popular now. No on Reddit likes Java, which makes it true. | null | 0 | 1319342690 | False | 0 | c2top22 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2top22 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769763 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | right, but the shootout is a showcase. the haskell community is saying this is the code we would use to solve this problem (?) | null | 0 | 1319342733 | False | 0 | c2top7n | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2top7n | t1_c2to555 | null | 1427769767 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | omgsus | null | Yay more minecraft clones! /sarcasm | null | 0 | 1319342872 | False | 0 | c2toptv | t3_lkyt0 | null | t1_c2toptv | t3_lkyt0 | null | 1427769773 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Solon1 | null | Actualy real programmers just use echo piped to the compiler. You only need to save the source if the code doesn't work, which real programmers correct the first time. | null | 0 | 1319342912 | False | 0 | c2topzs | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2topzs | t1_c2tndnf | null | 1427769778 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jrcapa | null | I like how you really read things carefully and then make interesting observations. Have an upvote! | null | 0 | 1319342985 | False | 0 | c2toqaz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toqaz | t1_c2to5j6 | null | 1427769791 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It is at easy as replacing a for with a parfor? | null | 0 | 1319343075 | False | 0 | c2toqoe | t3_livmm | null | t1_c2toqoe | t1_c2t3tj7 | null | 1427769792 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tilio | null | um, [apache foundation](http://tomcat.apache.org/) disagrees with you. | null | 0 | 1319343398 | False | 0 | c2tos0l | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tos0l | t1_c2tnowh | null | 1427769805 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | right...i find that industrial adoption of haskell is a mile wide and an inch deep. lots of people are having the "amuse bouche", but practically no one is having three courses, to strain the analogy. and what are the chances of finding enough other haskellers to fill out a team? zilch unless you pay exhorbitant amount... | null | 0 | 1319343459 | False | 0 | c2tos9a | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tos9a | t1_c2tkg3o | null | 1427769807 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tilio | null | um yes. java often leaves you with multiple lines of code for stupid things like casting and data structure management. php's weak typing means things are regularly done with little or no code at all. that's just one example. | null | 0 | 1319343515 | False | 0 | c2toshz | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toshz | t1_c2tnj42 | null | 1427769809 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itaborai83 | null | she made a killer system then | null | 0 | 1319343530 | False | 0 | c2tosk4 | t3_llcmn | null | t1_c2tosk4 | t1_c2tng6k | null | 1427769809 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | brews | null | OO and GC are great, but hating C is like hating oxygen. You can hate it but, it's everywhere, you need it, and it really doesn't care what you think. | null | 0 | 1319343570 | False | 0 | c2tosqe | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tosqe | t1_c2tod90 | null | 1427769812 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | i think your friend is believing his own martial-arts bullshit
| null | 0 | 1319343724 | False | 0 | c2totbv | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2totbv | t1_c2tkiul | null | 1427769818 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gadgetsan | null | 1 word: Oracle | null | 0 | 1319343766 | False | 0 | c2toti9 | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2toti9 | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769821 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | for comparison, consider the list you could make for c++, java, or even perl or ruby....literally tens of thousands of in-production, long-haul, made-the-company projects | null | 0 | 1319343953 | False | 0 | c2tou5a | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tou5a | t1_c2tld7e | null | 1427769830 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | RWH is much better than LYAH. | null | 0 | 1319344064 | False | 0 | c2touj5 | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2touj5 | t1_c2tm7uy | null | 1427769840 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zzing | null | * "Yo-Yo code" that converts a value into a different representation, then converts it back to where it started (eg: converting a decimal into a string and then back into a decimal, or padding a string and then trimming it)
* "Bulldozer code" that gives the appearance of refactoring by breaking out chunks into subrouti... | null | 0 | 1319344100 | False | 0 | c2touno | t3_li56t | null | t1_c2touno | t3_li56t | null | 1427769841 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | if thats true it would be awesome, haskell desperately needs a big obvious industrial win, someone willing to show their code or at least show me something tangible they built or support with it
on the other hand, i have become a Go advocate and i am pretty sure google is building things with that too | null | 0 | 1319344165 | False | 0 | c2touwc | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2touwc | t1_c2tnamu | null | 1427769842 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | flamingspinach_ | null | Notebook, you mean :) Yes, I'm aware. There are some promising modularization efforts being made by the [sage-on-gentoo](https://github.com/cschwan/sage-on-gentoo) project, if you're interested. But you're right, Sage in 2011 is not really good for use as a Python library. It's more of a mathematics-oriented Python dis... | null | 0 | 1319344229 | False | 0 | c2tov50 | t3_lkszr | null | t1_c2tov50 | t1_c2tkj27 | null | 1427769845 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | madcapnmckay | null | Check out [HighStock](http://www.highcharts.com/products/highstock), it's highcharts a new project for financial charts. | null | 0 | 1319344263 | False | 0 | c2tova7 | t3_ljz2n | null | t1_c2tova7 | t1_c2tceiu | null | 1427769846 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | with all due respect, do you have any meaningful codebases to back this up or are you just leaning on the shootout? my own experience building midsize codebases with haskell is that it is in the range of python3...which is still good, but nowhere near java for example. could i have made performance tweaks? sure maybe, ... | null | 0 | 1319344303 | False | 0 | c2tovfy | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tovfy | t1_c2th94c | null | 1427769848 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tsotha | null | It's hard because no matter what you make people sign when they get hired, they're not really "at will" employees. It's easy for an ex-employee to sue, so companies don't fire people unless the offense is grievous. Absenteeism, showing up to work drunk, telling a coworker she has a nice ass... all those can get you f... | null | 0 | 1319344744 | False | 0 | c2tox5p | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tox5p | t1_c2tok2a | null | 1427769869 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | BinaryRockStar | null | Are you suggesting you would run the CPU code on the GPU via CUDA or some similar GPGPU tech? I was thinking you would do the generation of the block structure (probably as a three dimensional bit array) on the CPU which should be very quick, then use OpenGL or DirectX to create the visuals. Once you have the scene def... | null | 0 | 1319345156 | False | 0 | c2toyqg | t3_lkyt0 | null | t1_c2toyqg | t1_c2tnh8d | null | 1427769891 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1319345323 | False | 0 | c2tozes | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tozes | t1_c2tosqe | null | 1427769906 | -16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | petdance | null | > Let's take a look at the TIOBE October 2011 graph:
Let's not, because TIOBE does not measure anything meaningful. | null | 0 | 1319345375 | False | 0 | c2tozlx | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tozlx | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769909 | 24 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | But lacking in silly colorful pictures. Don't underestimate the importance of silly colorful pictures. | null | 0 | 1319345380 | False | 0 | c2tozmm | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tozmm | t1_c2touj5 | null | 1427769909 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zelf0gale | null | I've wrote programs in 14 different languages and C isn't one of them. | null | 0 | 1319345381 | False | 0 | c2tozmt | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tozmt | t1_c2to2yy | null | 1427769909 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mkawick | null | [Easy answer](http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=HTML5%2C+java%2C+c%23%2C+c%2B%2B&l=)
Certainly, the number of Java jobs available is increasing. | null | 0 | 1319345450 | False | 0 | c2tozwn | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tozwn | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769911 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MtnViewMark | null | I have personal direct experience building production server middle-ware - exactly the kind of stuff Java is often used for. I got 20x over Python 2.6(?) in my first pass w/o optimization. | null | 0 | 1319345506 | False | 0 | c2tp03m | t3_lkiol | null | t1_c2tp03m | t1_c2tovfy | null | 1427769912 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | homercles337 | null | This figure has some kind of weird C/Java normalization. Why else would they meet at the right? Im a scientist that uses programming as a tool, and this figure makes me wonder. | null | 0 | 1319345534 | False | 0 | c2tp07d | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp07d | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769913 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Uber_Nick | null | I think you're both making valid points, but talking about slightly different things.
> In particular I've dealt with a lot of old legacy code that never got updated
Picking up syntax and understanding code in a new language should take a few days for an experienced programmer.
Being able to add some functionalit... | null | 0 | 1319345864 | False | 0 | c2tp1in | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp1in | t1_c2tnvqu | null | 1427769925 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cppdev | null | It seems to me that Roslyn is equivalent to Clang, not LLVM. Both Roslyn and Clang are front ends that convert source into IL. LLVM converts that IL into target code, so is really just the next step in the compilation process. You can't do the sort of stuff they're talking about here, such as syntax highlighting, in LL... | null | 0 | 1319345872 | False | 0 | c2tp1ju | t3_ll5d1 | null | t1_c2tp1ju | t1_c2tlo58 | null | 1427769926 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Uber_Nick | null | What about the .NET folks? | null | 0 | 1319345930 | False | 0 | c2tp1sf | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp1sf | t1_c2toa3q | null | 1427769929 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | elvisliveson | null | and if so, what's replacing it? | null | 0 | 1319345932 | False | 0 | c2tp1sn | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp1sn | t3_lle7t | null | 1427769929 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Entropy | null | Sounds more like C++ | null | 0 | 1319346236 | False | 0 | c2tp2zb | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp2zb | t1_c2toihi | null | 1427769944 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | verxix | null | This. I read a couple weeks ago that the percentage of visitors that actually vote on posts is around 1%. | null | 0 | 1319346405 | False | 0 | c2tp3m6 | t3_lkyt0 | null | t1_c2tp3m6 | t1_c2tmxwh | null | 1427769953 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | absinthe718 | null | I'd extend that to include VB and PHP. They are day-job languages. I can't imagine cranking out Java code for a non-work related project I do just for the fun of it. | null | 0 | 1319346698 | False | 0 | c2tp4qd | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp4qd | t1_c2to99g | null | 1427769967 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | i-hate-digg | null | Probably because you've never needed to code. | null | 0 | 1319346922 | False | 0 | c2tp5lt | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp5lt | t1_c2tozes | null | 1427769978 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NewbieProgrammerMan | null | Because you'll just end up hiring somebody who's as bad, or worse. Big companies can't afford to hire a top-notch programmer into every slot--they're just making do with the developers they can afford. | null | 0 | 1319347023 | False | 0 | c2tp5yx | t3_lle7t | null | t1_c2tp5yx | t1_c2tok2a | null | 1427769983 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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