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null | Poddster | null | He was a unique snowflake who was the ONLY person capable of cobbling together a server that serves up hypertext documents over the intranet.
THE. ONLY. ONE.
THE WEBLANDER.
What have you got against him? | null | 0 | 1491384591 | False | 0 | dfutez7 | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dftmxv3 | null | 1493811999 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | josefx | null | From the article:
> “And you typically don’t get criminal liability in dual-use technology cases unless there’s a pretty clear intent to promote the criminal use instead of the legitimate ones.””
Not too long ago there was a case with a software developer outright advertising the illegal use case of his software and sold it to people that stated their illegal intent before the transaction. This case could be similar, with the author actively and most importantly knowingly aiding criminals.
| null | 0 | 1491384666 | 1491384950 | 0 | dfutfuv | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812012 | 216 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HeWhoWas | null | No, the manufacturer is expected to have the capability to remotely disable the guns that have already been manufactured in the event they are used to shoot someone. ^^^/s | null | 0 | 1491384712 | False | 0 | dfutge7 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfut411 | null | 1493812019 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Poddster | null | The Queen's pretty into DRM so I imagine she has no qualms about knighting him.
| null | 0 | 1491384723 | False | 0 | dfutgiv | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dftr3eh | null | 1493812020 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sm9t8 | null | You really need to see it for yourself. Go search the source for new. | null | 0 | 1491384741 | False | 0 | dfutgqk | t3_63jhxx | null | null | t1_dfut3d1 | null | 1493812023 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hydrosylator | null | At best, this will see companies open more offices abroad, to ensure they have the best access to talent.
Some will just out-source more.
The inflated salaries in software indicate that there is an under-supply of applicants.
Large heap of salt: I've never hired anybody and don't live in the US, but here in the EU, with a population of over 500 million, we still need to import talent. Funny enough, we're in a better position since Trump got elected, because at that point most developers from outside either place are giving preference to the EU over the US, because it's seen as more stable in terms of rights.
I'd be interested to see what employers think about this. | null | 0 | 1491384754 | 1491385325 | 0 | dfutgw7 | t3_63gbjx | null | null | t3_63gbjx | null | 1493812025 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | steamruler | null | #This page is easy to read, I like it.
^/s | null | 0 | 1491384941 | False | 0 | dfutj27 | t3_63k699 | null | null | t3_63k699 | null | 1493812054 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Poddster | null | > So once the first person was murdered using a gun, the manufacturer was supposed to stop making guns?
Guns were originally intended to murder other people on battlefields so I assume they were quite pleased the invention was working. | null | 0 | 1491384954 | False | 0 | dfutj77 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfut411 | null | 1493812056 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TwoKittensInABox | null | I would think it's different. Since a company would make these spying programs, sell them to other companies who will just use them on their work computers. So it's a company hiring someone to do work for them using their computers, so they would want to know what that worker is doing on their computer. While this guy is selling the software to people who use it on unsuspecting people and computers that aren't even theirs. | null | 0 | 1491384993 | False | 0 | dfutjpq | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ts | null | 1493812063 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Tacitus_ | null | The Voight-Kampff test? | null | 0 | 1491385106 | False | 0 | dfutl98 | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dfu7yd3 | null | 1493812083 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davorzdralo | null | So what about knives? Do we arrest makers of those, too? | null | 0 | 1491385181 | False | 0 | dfutm5e | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutj77 | null | 1493812095 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | argv_minus_one | null | SSH? | null | 0 | 1491385188 | False | 0 | dfutm8u | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfupwaw | null | 1493812097 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | InverseX | null | Sure you can, to start with not marketing your product on a crappy skiddy forum. | null | 0 | 1491385213 | False | 0 | dfutmk0 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur6hy | null | 1493812101 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Regimardyl | null | I don't know what exactly it was, but there were a bunch of .class files, and it also worked on Linux. | null | 0 | 1491385224 | False | 0 | dfutmow | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dfu69sv | null | 1493812102 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davorzdralo | null | No, it really is. What people do with tools you sell is none of your business. Imagine if we arrested a knife manufacturer because someone got stabbed. It's on the same level of idiocy. | null | 1 | 1491385242 | False | 0 | dfutmwg | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuso8k | null | 1493812105 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AgainWitTheWhiteVans | null | We should arrest Dell/amd/intel for making computers people use to code the hacks with. | null | 1 | 1491385253 | False | 0 | dfutn13 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812107 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Regimardyl | null | Well, until recently there was no other way to make a "Copy This Text" button afaik. | null | 0 | 1491385326 | False | 0 | dfutnyh | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dfusjw1 | null | 1493812120 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hydrosylator | null | And I assume they're all amazing and nobody anywhere in the world could do a better job than any of them. | null | 1 | 1491385384 | False | 0 | dfutonr | t3_63gbjx | null | null | t1_dfuqaun | null | 1493812129 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davorzdralo | null | You do understand that things like built in Windows Remote Desktop access and programs like TeamViewer are RATs? | null | 0 | 1491385396 | False | 0 | dfutot1 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfupwaw | null | 1493812131 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | InverseX | null | Intent matters. Zero legitimate users are going to purchase a "remote monitoring tool" from hackforums.net for a company environment. | null | 0 | 1491385434 | False | 0 | dfutpa5 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur4v8 | null | 1493812137 | 26 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vetinari | null | It is also name of a village... in Poland (Jarocin County, Greater Poland Voivodeship). | null | 0 | 1491385495 | False | 0 | dfutq05 | t3_63ddi5 | null | null | t1_dfurgsy | null | 1493812146 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | thesbros | null | Hey, at least they're using Flexbox. | null | 0 | 1491385496 | False | 0 | dfutq0e | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutbhf | null | 1493812146 | 47 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | BoredPudding | null | That would make Daniel Stenberg the most wanted 'criminal' in history very fast. | null | 0 | 1491385584 | False | 0 | dfutr3n | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuq4rx | null | 1493812161 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kefeer | null | You mean, Script Writer. | null | 0 | 1491385607 | False | 0 | dfutrd9 | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dftwqvv | null | 1493812165 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | grauenwolf | null | The story hasn't changed since then. And the problems are still relevant today. | null | 0 | 1491385923 | False | 0 | dfutv5s | t3_63k8ep | null | null | t1_dfusyyc | null | 1493812216 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | circusmeerkat | null | You bet your vertical-aligned ass he would | null | 0 | 1491386019 | False | 0 | dfutwdl | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfupjm9 | null | 1493812232 | 68 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Raqem | null | It's been said multiple times, but it wasn't until your wording that I wondered what happened to the concept, "Tools don't hack people. People hack people."
Sure, the tool helps, as does the gun, but that's a whole different discussion. The real question is why this guy? Because they were hoping it would lead to a bunch of hackers and even though it didn't, the literally poor guy can't defend himself? | null | 0 | 1491386113 | False | 0 | dfutxhu | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur4v8 | null | 1493812248 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kalekold | null | Tech debt, like real monetary debt, has to be managed. If you think you can ignore it to be 'agile' in the short term, you are going to be in a world of hurt surprisingly quickly. It cannot be ignored. | null | 0 | 1491386123 | False | 0 | dfutxn9 | t3_63g8jv | null | null | t3_63g8jv | null | 1493812250 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491386213 | False | 0 | dfutyqm | t3_63ejyr | null | null | t1_dftq243 | null | 1493812268 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OmnomApplesauce | null | I do, I'm using one right now. | null | 0 | 1491386581 | False | 0 | dfuu32y | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfupwaw | null | 1493812327 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | twiggy99999 | null | Welcome to the land of the *free* | null | 1 | 1491386621 | False | 0 | dfuu3kp | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812333 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | People get arrested for selling IPTV boxes loaded with software intended to enable media piracy. Intent and marketing definitely play in to this. It will be an interesting case, but it really isn't that simple. | null | 0 | 1491386657 | False | 0 | dfuu3zw | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutmwg | null | 1493812339 | 30 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Kok_Nikol | null | Why does this have so many upvotes and stars on Github?? | null | 0 | 1491386733 | False | 0 | dfuu4w9 | t3_5lf3g1 | null | null | t3_5lf3g1 | null | 1493812350 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kyz | null | > Xanadu is conceptually really interesting, as it tries to solve problems that HTML doesn't, but despite existing for 50 years, it never turned into a useable product.
That's because it tried to solve a heap of *social* problems with technical solutions. WWW didn't even consider them and Tim Berners-Lee beat them to market despite their 30 year head start.
Social problems like "how do you get paid by people reading your page?", "how can someone include your content on their page (transclusion) and you still get paid?"
Xanadu's technical answer to that is only people with known identities and bank accounts are permitted to read or write on this medium, and there is centralized monitoring, billing, auditing. Xanadu has to know who wrote what, who read what, who transcluded what, who created derived works from whom. No anonymous publishing. No anonymous browsing. Does not scale. International usage only possible subject to a single jurisdiction's laws.
Trying to respect copyrights and authors destroyed Xanadu before it was born. WWW showed that society doesn't crumble if you blatantly ignore copyrights, indeed there's an argument for *reducing* the control copyright holders have over works. | null | 0 | 1491386765 | False | 0 | dfuu5bi | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dfuqx5v | null | 1493812356 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | alphaatom | null | The discussion over at lobste.rs had someone actually pull the indictment and it seems that he has connections to criminal conspiracy with someone who wrote a keylogger. So the daily beast is misrepresenting the story at least a little bit.
Link to discussion: https://lobste.rs/s/ncnsli/fbi_arrests_hacker_who_hacked_no_one | null | 0 | 1491386810 | False | 0 | dfuu5vk | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812364 | 444 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | qbxk | null | maybe that's the problem? maybe he only wrote net seal so he could cut off hackers using nanocore in order to demonstrate the whiteness of his hat?
maybe he's a whitewash hat? | null | 0 | 1491386921 | False | 0 | dfuu785 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur6hy | null | 1493812381 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | beginner_ | null | And the gun industry. Because if the creator of something is liable for how the buyer uses it, then you can just sue the gun industry. Or your knife manufacturer because you cut yourself. | null | 0 | 1491387021 | False | 0 | dfuu8h2 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuq4rx | null | 1493812399 | 63 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | twiggy99999 | null | Although I completely agree with what you're saying the article states the case is resting on intent rather than the technical capabilities of the software.
Sure the tool was probably used on Windows or Linux but is it Microsoft's *intent* that Windows will be used for hacking? Are they on a hackforum saying use Windows to remote access another machine without the end user knowing it?
The guy seems genuine enough that he tried everything he could to stop people using it for illegal purposes and shut people down who did but I suppose it all hinges on what the FBI have seen on the forums where he promoted the tool. Have they got posts of PM's of him actively promoting it as a hack tool?
Interesting case anyway | null | 0 | 1491387029 | 1491396703 | 0 | dfuu8kt | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812400 | 36 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | QuerulousPanda | null | > Whenever he saw evidence that a particular buyer was using the product to hack, he’d log in to Net Seal and disable that user’s copy, cutting the hacker off from his infected slaves.
> If that's true and his lawyers hammer that home then there shouldn't really be intent they can run with.
isn't that actually super, super bad for him though?
like, by actively policing the users, doesn't it show that he is aware of the risk and of the possibility of malicious intent, and by extension doesn't it make him liable for missing out on someone using the software in a bad way?
if he kept hands-off couldn't he basically just say he's not responsible for people misusing stuff.
wouldn't it be the same as if Smith and Wesson made their own police force to make sure no one was killing people with their guns, which would then completely open them up to liability, rather than being basically immune as they are now? | null | 0 | 1491387093 | False | 0 | dfuu9cr | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfus3y4 | null | 1493812410 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | twiggy99999 | null | You're missing the point, the knife manufacture isn't on a murder forum saying hey use our knife its really good for murder | null | 0 | 1491387184 | False | 0 | dfuuahi | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutmwg | null | 1493812425 | 61 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | twiggy99999 | null | > So once the first person was murdered using a gun, the manufacturer was supposed to stop making guns?
The gun manufacture wasn't actively promoting the gun can be used for illegal purposes. This case is all about intent rather than the technical capabilities of the software | null | 0 | 1491387289 | False | 0 | dfuubpq | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfut411 | null | 1493812442 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HashCatchEm | null | Crazy times we're living in; lets sue crow bar manufacturing companies!! | null | 0 | 1491387452 | False | 0 | dfuuds7 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812469 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hydrosylator | null | Come on gang, it's nice that you have Go talking to MongoDB at last, but stop being hypersensitive and get a job, for Pete's sake. | null | 0 | 1491387548 | False | 0 | dfuuezn | t3_63gbjx | null | null | t1_dfutd11 | null | 1493812485 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bendurham441 | null | Only real hackers use CSS. | null | 0 | 1491387552 | False | 0 | dfuuf1x | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutbhf | null | 1493812486 | 67 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | It's more like a gun manufacturer only advertising to people with prior felonies, low income criminals, crack dealers, etc. And then spying on them and waiting for them to commit a crime, and then saying "no no no little boy!" And taking away the gun afterwards...
It's like playing God with computer security.
The guy got arrested for a GOOD REASON, don't let these stories scare you into thinking the fbi can see your visual studio projects... | null | 0 | 1491387720 | False | 0 | dfuuh53 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfut411 | null | 1493812514 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | davorzdralo | null | No, *you're* missing the point. Even if someone made an advertisement campaign that was all about how good their knives are at killing people, that would still be 100% legal. | null | 0 | 1491387736 | False | 0 | dfuuhcg | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuahi | null | 1493812517 | -31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DunDunDunDuuun | null | It's not though, they have no evidence to support the author providing active or knowing aid. | null | 0 | 1491387829 | False | 0 | dfuuikg | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutfuv | null | 1493812533 | 31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | IGI111 | null | It's more like if S&W could remotely disable the guns of people who use them in gun free zones.
You can't blame the guy for stopping what was obviously illegal, it's actually what he should have done. In that precise case he could have perfectly denied looking at what users do with his tool, but the fact that he complied with the law whenever he saw a violation is an argument in his favor, not against him. | null | 0 | 1491387836 | False | 0 | dfuuinw | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuu9cr | null | 1493812535 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | xesenix | null | Knife enables you cut someone throat in its stock form... | null | 0 | 1491387939 | False | 0 | dfuujyy | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuso8k | null | 1493812552 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | grumbel | null | > That's because it tried to solve a heap of social problems with technical solutions.
It also tried to attack technical issues like the constant breakage of hyperlinks you get in HTML or the inability to quote a subsection of another HTML page.
> Trying to respect copyrights and authors destroyed Xanadu before it was born. WWW showed that society doesn't crumble if you blatantly ignore copyrights, indeed there's an argument for reducing the control copyright holders have over works.
True, but at the same time the idea wasn't all that wrong and parts of the Web are slowly going in the same direction. Youtube owns a pretty large part of the video distribution on the Web precisely because they respect copyright and are able to pay authors. The lone non-centralized video hosters do exist, but they are small fish compared to Youtube. | null | 0 | 1491387974 | False | 0 | dfuukeu | t3_63e1ws | null | null | t1_dfuu5bi | null | 1493812557 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | actLikeApidgeon | null | Very reminiscent of the story of PGP and Zimmerman investigation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann albeit on a more moronic level | null | 0 | 1491387979 | False | 0 | dfuukh5 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812558 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Vlir | null | He did post in on HF which is predominately used by skids...
IMO there's clear criminal intent but no criminal act | null | 0 | 1491387982 | 1491388874 | 0 | dfuuki8 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuikg | null | 1493812559 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mallardtheduck | null | How do you know what evidence the FBI do or don't have? | null | 0 | 1491388073 | False | 0 | dfuulq3 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuikg | null | 1493812575 | 155 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DunDunDunDuuun | null | I mean, the article covered this. He'd been posting there innocently for a long time before, and he actively acted against those using it to hack,going so far as to remove features and add identifying marks the software. | null | 0 | 1491388125 | False | 0 | dfuumfy | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuki8 | null | 1493812585 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Cilph | null | Neither was this guy. He just posted it on the wrong forum. | null | 1 | 1491388239 | False | 0 | dfuunuq | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuubpq | null | 1493812604 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Cilph | null | Okay, so now that we've confirmed guns are designed to kill people, we should ban guns! | null | 0 | 1491388264 | False | 0 | dfuuo5e | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutj77 | null | 1493812608 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | reficulucifer | null | Ironic that an ad I accidentally clicked on from this website took me to a mobile malware site. | null | 0 | 1491388280 | False | 0 | dfuuod2 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812611 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | enzlbtyn | null | I get that, but why didn't he design it without this requirement? | null | 0 | 1491388301 | False | 0 | dfuuon6 | t3_63jhxx | null | null | t1_dfutgqk | null | 1493812614 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Vlir | null | Not saying he should be prosecuted but I don't buy his story that he didn't intend it to be used in such a way.
If he didn't want 1337ers to use it he wouldn't have posted there. Sure there are some non criminals that browse HF but the majority skid around. | null | 0 | 1491388602 | False | 0 | dfuusls | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuumfy | null | 1493812668 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DunDunDunDuuun | null | They have a pretty detailed indictment, which leans on his participation on the forum. | null | 0 | 1491388611 | False | 0 | dfuuspu | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuulq3 | null | 1493812669 | 52 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | four_three_three | null | We really should, though. | null | 1 | 1491388636 | False | 0 | dfuut23 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuo5e | null | 1493812674 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Teekoo | null | My issue with create-react-app is that it forces you to a specific directory structure and it installs the wepack.config file under node_modules somewhere. If you want to add more functionality to wepack config file (like preloading fonts properly), you need to basically create a new config file from scratch.
Still it definitely is the fastest way to start with React. It just hides a lot of the 'magic' you eventually need to configure yourself to make things work the way you want to. | null | 0 | 1491388653 | False | 0 | dfuut9z | t3_63kcyy | null | null | t3_63kcyy | null | 1493812677 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | Literally the only reason he did that was to claim that it's legal. He marketed it as malware. He was just hoping that disabling a few licenses would protect him. Just like those people that put "this is for educational use only" on their malware. | null | 0 | 1491388701 | False | 0 | dfuutwa | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur6hy | null | 1493812686 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Shaper_pmp | null | Reading this article was a real rollercoaster of emotions about this case.
> He built a piece of software. That tool was pirated and abused by hackers. Now the feds want him to pay for the computer crooks’ crimes.
WTF? Disgusting! How could this possibly happen?
> The court filings don’t detail why the government is so certain that Huddleston wanted to help hackers, but the indictment mentions eight times the name of the website where Huddleston announced and supported NanoCore: HackForums.net... This isn’t “hacking” in the innocent “innovative coding” sense of the word. The participants in these particular sub forums are largely discussing computer intrusion, some academically, others practically... computer crime newbies and amateurs building their very first botnet appear to be commonplace. One recent thread posed the question, “How would you spread malware through iframe tags?” and drew knowing advice: serve malicious Java on a fake Minecraft landing page; lure victims with a bogus ad for a recent movie.
Waaaait a minute. RA tools are dual-use, but he's literally advertising it on a forum frequented primarily by sketchy fuckers actively intent on breaking into people's shit, and he knows it. Maybe this indictment is legit after all...
> Huddleston found himself routinely admonishing people not to use his software for crime. “NanoCore does not permit illegal use,” he wrote in one post. In another, “NanoCore is NOT malware. It is intended to be used legitimately and I don’t want to see words like ‘slave’ and ‘infect.’” Huddleston backed his words with action. Whenever he saw evidence that a particular buyer was using the product to hack, he’d log in to Net Seal and disable that user’s copy, cutting the hacker off from his infected slaves... He was fighting an uphill battle. Tutorials on how to covertly infect a victim’s machine appeared on YouTube by the thousands; Huddleston responded by quietly changed NanoCore’s control panel to display the user’s license ID, so he could revoke that copy when he saw it in a video. His righteous attitude started to irk some of NanoCore’s fans. “What the hell do you expect? You’re selling a Remote Administration Tool on a hacking forum,” one wrote in 2015. “That’s like selling guns in a warzone but making a policy, ‘You’re not allowed to use these guns for dangerous purposes only target shooting.”’ Still more gripes came when Huddleston removed the tool’s ability to steal passwords and log keystrokes. “You can’t do any blackhat activities with it,” one user complained. “No one who buys a RAT wants one with the main features taken out.”
Ok, so it's a pretty fucking stupid community to advertise a RAT on if you *don't* intend for anyone to use it for black-hat purposes, but not only was he claiming it was for legitimate purposes only - he was actively trying to prevent anyone from misusing it. Stupid mistake, then, but trying to make good and making his intentions clear...
> But he was weary of all the drama, coupled with the pressure of running a small business on his own, Huddleston began divesting himself from NanoCore in early 2015. First he handed off the business end to another HackForum member, while continuing to develop the code as an “advisor” in exchange for 60 percent of every sale.
Ooops - now he's still working on it and taking a cut from it, but loses any ability to police or dissuade anyone from using it for illegal purposes.
Better hope the new owner is really a good guy, or by receiving profits and contributing code he could end up getting implicated in knowingly facilitating criminal activity.
Ultimately this does seem to be a non-event - particularly if the FBI pored over his machines for months and couldn't find any evidence of collusion with criminal users - though to be fair the guy himself did make several stupid mistakes that left him open to this kind of overreaching prosecution.
But let's be clear here - it *is* overreach, and while it certainly made sense for the FBI to investigate the guy there's not a shred of evidence presented in this article that he deserves charges.
**Edit:** The plot thickens - lots of comments on this page indicating the narrative presented by the article is woefully biased and incomplete. Kind of hard to sell a tool with a built-in DDOS botnet controller as a legitimate RAT, or one that intentionally hides its installation and runtime process... and there are claims the owner only started clamping down on black-hat users *after* one of his colleagues got busted for knowingly facilitating them. Hmmm... | null | 0 | 1491388718 | 1491394128 | 0 | dfuuu40 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812689 | 71 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | funciton | null | Is selling crowbars a grey area too? | null | 0 | 1491388795 | False | 0 | dfuuv2p | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfupixj | null | 1493812702 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | QuerulousPanda | null | that's the way it feels like it should be, but i still have a strong suspicion that this would be a situation where the legal realities aren't as nice and simple as they 'feel'.
for his sake i hope it does work out well though! | null | 0 | 1491388874 | False | 0 | dfuuw39 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuinw | null | 1493812716 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | Except that Dell/AMD/Intel aren't marketing their computers towards hacking unknowing victims.
edit: You guys can downvote me all you want but I'll bet you'd think differently if you were one of the victims here. Intent matters and if you guys want to peddle this "oh he's just an innocent developer!" bullshit, then go for it. Fact is that he marketed it towards hacking other people. This wasn't some "watch your employees" software. This was software being used to steal passwords and other private information from victims, use their computers for DDOS. Perverts used the "disable webcam light" to watch their victims. | null | 0 | 1491388884 | 1491389905 | 0 | dfuuw8c | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutn13 | null | 1493812718 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | EatATaco | null | If the intent of it was for people to hack things, it wasn't just a unfortunate side effect, is that punishable? And is that the case with this program?
These are the questions at hand.
Your rant, while it is no surprise that it is popular on reddit, is the result of black and white thinking and ignores that we live in a very nuanced world. | null | 0 | 1491388890 | False | 0 | dfuuwbh | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812719 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Admiral_Mackbar | null | Are you sure? That doesn't sound very legal | null | 0 | 1491388915 | False | 0 | dfuuwn7 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuhcg | null | 1493812723 | 30 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | Why? Are they marketing their tools to criminals for criminal purposes? | null | 0 | 1491388920 | False | 0 | dfuuwpj | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuds7 | null | 1493812724 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rydan | null | Wait? You mean piracy actually does hurt people? | null | 0 | 1491389032 | False | 0 | dfuuy5z | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812744 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | The FBI terrorist organization is so annoying. | null | 1 | 1491389057 | False | 0 | dfuuyhi | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812748 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | The "logic" applied by FBI standards is pure idiocy.
People who work for this organization are criminal anti-social parasites. | null | 1 | 1491389082 | False | 0 | dfuuyu6 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812753 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | Yeah if they develop malware and market it towards script kiddies trying to hack unknowing victims. | null | 0 | 1491389096 | False | 0 | dfuuz0x | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuq4rx | null | 1493812755 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | And? | null | 0 | 1491389099 | False | 0 | dfuuz2a | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutfuv | null | 1493812755 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | How do YOU know?
You can put whatever file on any computer at will.
So come again and explain how the "evidence" by the FBI (a) exists and (b) is real. | null | 1 | 1491389127 | False | 0 | dfuuzez | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuulq3 | null | 1493812760 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DunDunDunDuuun | null | Yeah, it certainly wasn't smart. | null | 0 | 1491389182 | False | 0 | dfuv05h | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuusls | null | 1493812770 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | Let's be honest - the military industry in the USA is above all standards. | null | 0 | 1491389206 | False | 0 | dfuv0hr | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuu8h2 | null | 1493812776 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DoListening | null | Is there any better tooling for Elm than what was shown in the video?
Seems like moving from TypeScript would be a serious downgrade in this regard - all the refactoring had to be done manually (even if the compiler showed the errors), there was no proper autocomplete, errors were not immediately highlighted in the editor, apparently there are no source maps, which makes debugging very complicated (https://github.com/elm-lang/elm-compiler/issues/1273), haven't seen the common navigation features (Ctrl+click, Find usages), etc.
I like the idea of not having to shoehorn immutable structures into a language not designed with them in mind (JS), but these things kinda put me off. | null | 0 | 1491389308 | 1491390571 | 0 | dfuv1u2 | t3_63kjfv | null | null | t3_63kjfv | null | 1493812793 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | And that changes what exactly?
That reminds me of the gun industry saying that it is not guns killing people - it's people killing people. Or Nazi workers saying they kill people because they were under orders. Or the USA raiding another countries because they have a fancy PowerPoint presentation showing weapons of mass distruction (still looking for them evidently). | null | 1 | 1491389360 | False | 0 | dfuv2j4 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuw8c | null | 1493812802 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | This is why you should need to use adblocking.
It should be a human right to not get pestered with propaganda like ads. | null | 1 | 1491389393 | False | 0 | dfuv2zi | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuuod2 | null | 1493812808 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | Can I use CATs against those RATs? | null | 0 | 1491389407 | False | 0 | dfuv35t | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfutot1 | null | 1493812811 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mirhagk | null | You are right. I was mixing things up, my bad. | null | 0 | 1491389456 | False | 0 | dfuv3uj | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t1_dfunj8s | null | 1493812820 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | Agreed. | null | 0 | 1491389463 | False | 0 | dfuv3xb | t3_63eo3w | null | null | t1_dftmoje | null | 1493812822 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | steamruler | null | This was great. | null | 0 | 1491389508 | False | 0 | dfuv4kn | t3_63jpev | null | null | t3_63jpev | null | 1493812831 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | From a syntax point of view, it **is** an improvement.
For other parts, who knows. I actually feel that the biggest mistake is to use a wrapper language over another (suckier) language in the first place. | null | 0 | 1491389528 | False | 0 | dfuv4v1 | t3_63eo3w | null | null | t1_dftwf7x | null | 1493812834 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | Guns aren't marketed to teenagers for the purpose of murder. And let's not act like governments and spy agencies are on the same level as some guy selling malware to teenagers for the express intent of hacking unknowing victims. | null | 0 | 1491389533 | False | 0 | dfuv4xq | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuv2j4 | null | 1493812835 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | underhunter | null | Unfortunately not. The government has shown time and time again it treats "cyber" much differently than any other industry/field. | null | 0 | 1491389567 | False | 0 | dfuv5fj | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuu8h2 | null | 1493812842 | 34 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Cynical__asshole | null | > The intended audience is those who won't be sarcastic in their appreciation.
People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
^^^(sorry) | null | 0 | 1491389580 | False | 0 | dfuv5lr | t3_63gixf | null | null | t1_dfuq7rd | null | 1493812844 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ancapnerd | null | how does the boot polish taste? | null | 0 | 1491389722 | False | 0 | dfuv7k7 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuulq3 | null | 1493812870 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AgainWitTheWhiteVans | null | its not malware its software for being able to access a computer from another computer. The argument here is if there is something malicious used for crime it needs to be built on some foundations. The question is how far down that tree you can prosecute people. Do we prosecute the guy that wrote vim/emacs, c or assembler, maybe we go after Babage himself as its pretty much all his fault. | null | 1 | 1491389745 | False | 0 | dfuv7v0 | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuv4xq | null | 1493812874 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Qatalife | null | He intentionally posted it on a hacking forum. | null | 0 | 1491389790 | False | 0 | dfuv8gx | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuunuq | null | 1493812882 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Abomonog | null | There is a parallel analogy in the article.
> “It’s like saying that if someone buys a handgun and uses it to rob a liquor store, that the handgun manufacturer is complicit.”
The American "justice" system does do this and I am not surprised to see this kind of cherry picking among remote network administration apps, with this guy going to jail and Microsoft not being bothered at all about writing them. | null | 0 | 1491389907 | False | 0 | dfuva3b | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfur1ob | null | 1493812905 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | cass1o | null | Sure if you strip away all nuance and context. | null | 0 | 1491390018 | False | 0 | dfuvbli | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuq4rx | null | 1493812925 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rawb0t | null | No. It's malware through and through. TeamViewer is software for being able to access a computer from another computer. TeamViewer doesn't hide its process. Nanocore does. TeamViewer is something you can see right from your system tray. Nanocore isn't. It's all about intent. vim/emacs, c/assembler -- these things aren't marketed with the intent of hacking people unknowingly. They have actual use far outside of DDOSing networks and stealing passwords without any sort of notification to the victim. | null | 0 | 1491390067 | False | 0 | dfuvcax | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuv7v0 | null | 1493812935 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flargenhargen | null | >But when he opened the door, he was met by about two dozen serious-looking men and women, some in bulletproof vests, holding handguns at the ready, one shouldering an assault rifle, another carrying a battering ram.
welcome to america.
They arrested 2 teenagers for stealing a car in my town. They had 12 cop cars, about 15 cops, all with full swat gear and guns drawn as they surrounded the house.
for 2 fucking teenagers.
the kids got terrified and locked the door in panic until their mom came home and sent them outside. Amazing the cops didn't bust down the door guns blazing and shoot them both for "resisting"
One cop showing up, and saying, "we know it was you, please come down town" would've been just fine.
police militarization is nuts in this country. | null | 0 | 1491390168 | False | 0 | dfuvdpv | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t3_63jq8w | null | 1493812953 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Merinovich | null | This does sound a bit fishy, anybody got a source on the indictment? Really begs to question how much of said Skype conversation they got, if that is the case.
For those who didn't follow the link, it mentions that the indictment names his connection with Shames much more (he's the one they mention got convicted not so long ago), and that the DOJ/FBI has proof of Skype conversations between Shames and Huddelstone where they discuss stuff(?).
> Comment by tptacek:
>
>I pulled the indictment from PACER. The story is oversimplifying the case.
>
>The indictment is far more concerned with Huddleston’s affiliation with Zachary Shames, who was convicted (apparently dead-to-rights) for selling a keylogger called “Limitless”. The indictment mentions Limitless more than it mentions NanoCore. Shames wasn’t very smart: the DOJ has records of him providing tech support to users who were clearly using his keylogger to harm people.
>
>Huddleston has two big problems. The first is that he sold licensing software to Shames for the Limitless keylogger. The second is that the DOJ apparently has Huddleston and Shames in a Skype group together talking about this stuff.
>
>The Beast article snarks about the indictment mentioning HackForums repeatedly. But the Beast article doesn’t think it’s important for you to know about the HackForums Skype group Huddleston and Shames shared; in fact, Shames himself gets only a tiny sliver of the article, despite being the fulcrum of the indictment.
>
>RAT software theoretically has legitimate uses. But, obviously, we all know that most RAT software isn’t legitimate. NanoCore sure wasn’t. It has a DDoS botnet tab, for Christ’s sake. Huddleston’s attempts to position it as legitimate software are about as compelling as the “no copyright claimed” comments on a Youtube video.
>
>But having said that: it’s unlikely Huddleston would be in the amount of trouble he is in had he simply written a malicious RAT. His problems are his connections to a criminal conspiracy that got busted. | null | 0 | 1491390262 | False | 0 | dfuvf1w | t3_63jq8w | null | null | t1_dfuu5vk | null | 1493812971 | 142 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | burgundus | null | Go's default http.Client does not set a timeout, so your request could be stuck in some malperformed HTTP request forever. Even worse for in case of a broken API that could hijack several of your routines.
Suggested reading: [Don't use Go's default HTTP client in production](https://medium.com/@nate510/don-t-use-go-s-default-http-client-4804cb19f779) | null | 0 | 1491390286 | False | 0 | dfuvfe9 | t3_63kqtu | null | null | t3_63kqtu | null | 1493812975 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jpakkane | null | `make -j` has a very specific meaning. It spawns an unlimited number of compilation processes. This is also known as a fork bomb.
You would think that `make -j` would mean "use as many processes as there are cores on this machine". But it doesn't. No, I have no idea why either. | null | 0 | 1491390304 | False | 0 | dfuvfne | t3_63dch7 | null | null | t1_dfu5vqf | null | 1493812979 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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