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null | sonnytron | null | I agree with you, and yet even though there's very drastically different expectations and roles based on those titles, people seem to defend the statement that they're interchangeable with toxicity and acid-like vitriol.
All software engineers are programmers, but not all programmers are engineers.
If you can't understand that statement, you really don't understand what engineering is. | null | 0 | 1491275414 | False | 0 | dfsuag7 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs8uxj | null | 1493776741 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | RabbidKitten | null | For the `Reader`, not quite on its own, but when used in a "monad stack" then yes. That is a common theme in Haskell code - using types and type classes to restrict what a function can do, and have the compiler to verify it.
Normally, all Haskell values / function parameters are immutable, so `Reader` on its own just encodes the pattern of passing a "context" variable to a set of functions, with the difference that in Haskell the context / environment is passed last, and immutability is enforced by the language. The `Monad` instance for `Reader` / `(-> a)` together with `do` notation allows you to pass the context to multiple such functions "at once".
However, life is not always that simple, and your context is not always immutable, and there might be other aspects to what you're doing, like handling errors or doing IO. Without going into details, the types and type classes from mtl and (monad) transformers libraries let you do that in a uniform manner while still having the compiler to check your invariants. For a real world example, have a look at xmonad (a tiling window manager for X11 written in Haskell) source code, whose eponymous "X monad" is `ReaderT XConf (StateT XState IO) a` ~ `XConf -> XState -> IO (a, XState)`.
As for your questions:
**1\.** It may sound strange, but having a separate monad and monoid type classes over "generic joinables" makes both of them more simple and easier to use. Consider the kind-polymorphic definition of monoid type class, which looks roughly like this (not valid Haskell code because of syntax restrictions):
class Monoid (~>) (⊗) i m where
unit :: i ~> m
join :: m ⊗ m ~> m
Because it is generic, more things have to be spelled out explicitly. In addition to the monoid itself, it is parametrised over a category C, defined by its arrows `~>`, and the product `⊗`. It also needs (the) terminal object `i` in C, which is used to "select" the unit. That is hardly an improvement over the current definitions of both `Monoid` and `Monad`.
So while it is possible to unify both concepts, doing so would not add anything useful for everyday programming, and "monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors" remains mostly a meme.
**2\.** The practical implication of "flexible grouping" provided by associativity is that it doesn't matter how you split up your long sequence of eg. `IO` operations in multiple functions, the result is the same. Without it, you'd be essentially forced to put all your `IO` in `main`, using only primitives.
**3\.** Applicatives as monoids is about where my understanding of application of category theory to Haskell ends, so all this is hand-wavy, but `Applicative`s [version of join](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35013293/what-is-applicative-functor-definition-from-the-category-theory-pov) is `f a -> f b -> f (a, b)`. Similarly, by using `f a -> f b -> f (Either a b)` you get [something that looks like Alternative](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23316255/lax-monoidal-functors-with-a-different-monoidal-structure).
Nevertheless, `Applicative` and `Alternative` are very useful, and the way they are defined (`Applicative` with `(<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> (f a -> f b)`, and `Alternative` with `(<|>) :: f a -> fa -> fa`) is just right. They are indispensable for writing parsers, which is something Haskell excels for, and without them (ie. in most imperative languages) parsing feels like a chore.
**4\.** Again, this is quite blurry for me as well, but if I understand correctly, the crucial difference between monoids and categories is that the former are closed / total. For types and functions, "closed" roughly means that the result of an operation is of the same type as its argument(s), for all arguments. Through some category theory mumbo-jumbo that I don't really understand well enough to explain, it is equivalent to totality, and general composition is total only if the category has a single object (object in category theory ~ type in programming languages). Thus, the interpretation of a monoid as a category with one object is rather uninteresting to most programmers.
**Edit:** Monads and categories, on the other hand, are related in a more interesting way. If you have some functor `F` for which you can come up with a way to compose functions of type `a -> F b` `(.) :: (b -> F c) -> (a -> F b) -> (a -> F c)` with some `id :: a -> F a` as the identity, ie. they form a category, then you have a monad. Conversely, if you have monad M, then `a -> M b` define a category
newtype Kleisli m a b = K (a -> m b)
instance Monad m => Category (Kleisli m) where
id = K return
(K f) . (K g) = K (join . fmap f . g)
and the monad laws are simply the identity and associativity laws for this category.
The bottom line is that while you can generalise further to include more, and exclude less from the concept of "joinable", it becomes increasingly abstract and hard to understand, and also starts to raise the question "joinable in which way?" Thus, there are `Monoid`, `Monad`, `Applicative`, `Alternative`, `Category` and other type classes to express exactly what kind of joining you want. Some are arguably better named, others less so, but going back to where we started, `Monad` is named like that because it was brought over from category theory long before Haskell was getting any outside attention, and changing the name would break almost every Haskell code base that has ever existed.
You don't really need to understand monads to use them, so until you get to the point where you want to start writing your own instances, you can forget about the weird name, laws and other "abstract nonsense", and just know that if there is `instance Monad Something` and `gimmeX :: a -> Something x; gimmeY :: b -> Something y`, you can write code like this
fn :: a -> b -> Something c
fn a b = do
x <- gimmeX a
y <- gimmeY b
return $ makeCformXandY x y | null | 0 | 1491275461 | 1491291707 | 0 | dfsubu7 | t3_61kt36 | null | null | t1_dfoejuf | null | 1493776760 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | shevegen | null | Entertaining read.
So OpenBSD is broken too? | null | 0 | 1491275507 | False | 0 | dfsud4l | t3_63auwj | null | null | t3_63auwj | null | 1493776777 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mkdz | null | Can you elaborate? | null | 0 | 1491275511 | False | 0 | dfsud8v | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmc6z | null | 1493776778 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | POGtastic | null | The Factory of Sadness is also known by its mundane, corporate name of [FirstEnergy Stadium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FirstEnergy_Stadium).
Business has been booming for a long time.
On a sidenote, I just love the fact that Wikipedia makes official mention of the FoS nickname. It's like someone inscribed the awfulness of the Cleveland Browns onto a steel plate with a diamond stylus. | null | 0 | 1491275526 | False | 0 | dfsudoy | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsu46s | null | 1493776784 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Draghi | null | My father (over 45) was made redundant and has been looking for another job for years. Funny thing is that his area of expertise is mainframe programming, testing, training and support. Not exactly a fast moving field and the jobs are looking for archaic skill sets that he fits the bill for. No clue what's going on. | null | 0 | 1491275576 | False | 0 | dfsuf67 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsqwkt | null | 1493776805 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Delmain | null | Go talk to your boss then.
I made $60K in my first year in a ridiculously low cost of living area. If you're anywhere near a metro, you should be making more than $70K. | null | 0 | 1491275596 | False | 0 | dfsufqp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgsc | null | 1493776814 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iconoclaus | null | Most H1B employees I know are US college graduates and are paid very competitively, and their firms had to pay for legal fees to process their application on top of that. That said, about half of H1B folks I know left their company as soon as they qualified for a Green Card (5-6 years after employment). I honestly felt that was a bit opportunistic, though most others will say thats fair game. | null | 0 | 1491275612 | False | 0 | dfsug7y | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs285n | null | 1493776820 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nazihatinchimp | null | I work for a software company. Never seen a UoP grad. Seen plenty of shit outsourced code. | null | 0 | 1491275670 | False | 0 | dfsuhwj | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfrxqip | null | 1493776843 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Tannerleaf | null | Does that simply mean that more money flows out of their country, though?
Even with code monkeys, if they are living and working in the US, they are always spending their hard-earned moolah in that country.
By outsourcing, it means that money flows out of their country, AND it is spent outside of their country too.
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null | ishmal | null | Far from it. This was started by a Democrat senator (yes, hard to believe). Her idea is that H1B holders should be paid at the same rates as the local guy who sits at the next desk.
How about that 45% raise? Wouldn't that be nice?
The program will operate as it was intended, supplying 'highly skilled' workers
for critical job positions, *at commensurate pay.*
If this happens, then H1B employees who are abused with low salaries will actually
see an improvement in their situation.
And this will lower the incentive for abuse by TCS, Infinics, etc.
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null | Delmain | null | ... Yes. If only companies in New York, San Francisco, and Seattle can bring in international talent, that's a problem.
The entire point of the program is that in order for America to be the best, we have to be able to bring in the best when they want to come.
The current system encourages H-1B farms just spam applying and bringing in whoever they can find. The changes outlined here fix it so that the company has to actually show that they need this person, specifically, as opposed to any given person. | null | 0 | 1491275711 | False | 0 | dfsuiym | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfstymu | null | 1493776857 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee | null | If you want to look at some real numbers check out http://www.businessinsider.com/cities-us-software-engineer-ranked-salary-cost-living-2015-6
I'm not just talking anecdotally, there's lots of data behind this. Even adjusted for cost of living, you end up with more money living in the Bay Area than most other areas. | null | 0 | 1491275756 | False | 0 | dfsuk9d | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsu42c | null | 1493776875 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Jessie_James | null | I literally got laid off last month, and my old company was offshoring all programming positions to India. Will this affect them?
Please say yes ... | null | 0 | 1491275758 | False | 0 | dfsukbe | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493776876 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DJSweetChrisBell | null | Where do you live? | null | 0 | 1491275806 | False | 0 | dfsulmd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfssul7 | null | 1493776894 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | obscure_robot | null | I'm not sure, but I think it's a combination of competition for a limited number of green cards for people from certain countries combined with more demand. | null | 0 | 1491275822 | False | 0 | dfsum3p | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslpzn | null | 1493776900 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | cledamy | null | Many of the problems resulting from human error (buffer overflows) could be eliminated if there was more of an emphasis correct by construction software. There are ways to mathematically guarantee that one's program doesn't have any errors. Unfortunately, most mainstream programming languages don't support it. | null | 1 | 1491275822 | 1491278736 | 0 | dfsum3s | t3_63auwj | null | null | t3_63auwj | null | 1493776900 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Tannerleaf | null | Would they not need to outlaw outsourcing too?
That is, until their lawyers find a loophole, and exploit it.
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null | Tannerleaf | null | Even simpler, get the company jock to shake them down for their lunch money after pay day. | null | 0 | 1491275965 | False | 0 | dfsuq0w | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfso7ab | null | 1493776952 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | weirdoaish | null | I don't care about who started it, I also don't care about people getting the same pay, the reason people *specifically* cite is that H1B employees are be paid less by abusers because they have less freedoms/capabilities to change jobs.
This is not addressed, ever, in any way, instead the trend is to put more restrictions on the types of jobs that can go to H1B's in the name of "humanity" or "labor rights". | null | 0 | 1491276006 | False | 0 | dfsur5f | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfsuitj | null | 1493776968 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | trout_fucker | null | This is exactly what I was referring to, actually. COBOL is mostly dead. High salary jobs require domain specific knowledge.
FIS is the leader in this space and they churn out all the new COBOL programmers they need from random degree college grads. | null | 0 | 1491276068 | False | 0 | dfsusv8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsuf67 | null | 1493776991 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stubing | null | edit: deleted. No personal information for you guys anymore! | null | 0 | 1491276073 | 1491320293 | 0 | dfsuszs | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsu8ma | null | 1493776992 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee | null | No, I don't have personal experience raising a family in the Bay Area, but at the same time I know plenty of people who do. What's your basis for claiming that it's difficult? Do you live in the Bay Area? | null | 0 | 1491276229 | False | 0 | dfsux4b | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsurzc | null | 1493777048 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eclectro | null | Here's an idea. The next time you see an American that just isn't quite right, train him. Pay for his night classes, books, etc to get specifically what you need.
It seems to me that's what most programmers do that need to pick up a new language.
I have an Indian friend that knows 1 (one) language and that's it and he's here on an H1b working for the slimy big bank everyone knows. I think he's being paid 40-50K. No one can tell me that *there is not* an American that can't take that job.
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null | jeb_the_hick | null | I hope that's not across all industries. | null | 0 | 1491276258 | False | 0 | dfsuxyg | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspexh | null | 1493777059 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vfxdev | null | You don't need apprenticeships, but you need an entry level position that exists solely for developing and promoting people into other departments. Not many companies are big enough to necessitate or afford to do this, I only know of a couple. My old boss actually started a department for this exact purpose and it was highly successful.
That being said, to get these jobs, you have to be able to answer questions you should know the answer to. People want the A students, not the C students.
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null | pickAside-startAwar | null | Your opinion literally doesn't matter. You're not American.
That said, the program is supposed to support hard to find skill sets. The angst is not towards those positions. H1b is abused to find low wage people. | null | 0 | 1491276295 | False | 0 | dfsuz0n | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfssc0f | null | 1493777072 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | thilehoffer | null | Really? Where do you live / work and what is your salary? | null | 0 | 1491276346 | False | 0 | dfsv0cs | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfss9n1 | null | 1493777091 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | b_tight | null | It's the actual middle class in most big cities. Families making 50 k a year, which is about median income, are low low middle class or lower class in most cities. IMO if you have to decide what bill to pay that month for lack of funds to pay them all then that's not middle class. | null | 0 | 1491276361 | False | 0 | dfsv0ri | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslvph | null | 1493777096 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pickAside-startAwar | null | Again, the abuse is not for highly skilled people. The abuse is that us companies are a using h1b to lower wages.
How funny that you state "ignorance is everywhere in this thread." Indeed. | null | 0 | 1491276386 | False | 0 | dfsv1g6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsrep2 | null | 1493777105 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pickAside-startAwar | null | What's your point. | null | 0 | 1491276405 | False | 0 | dfsv1z5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsqqe5 | null | 1493777112 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dungone | null | > a lot of what happens at Facebook, where errors are arguably not life-threatening.
What happens at places like Facebook puts our civil liberties and democracy at risk. Enforcing a set of professional ethics for the engineers who work there would be a good thing.
> Does that mean that Facebook no longer gets to hire from abroad?
No. Not everyone needs a professional license. In civil engineering it's usually just the person who is in actual charge of the work and the person who is responsible for preparing and submitting engineering plans. In general it means that the licensed engineer gets to have final approval over who is allowed to work on a given project. This, I think, is sorely needed in software and would benefit both licensed and unlicensed programmers. | null | 0 | 1491276405 | False | 0 | dfsv1za | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsgns6 | null | 1493777112 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | xSGAx | null | >qualified american citizens
aka. cheap labor. | null | 0 | 1491276409 | False | 0 | dfsv229 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgr3 | null | 1493777113 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Eckish | null | There would at least have to be a COL adjustment or it would basically mean that H1Bs are only for HCOL areas. | null | 0 | 1491276418 | False | 0 | dfsv2al | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmen0 | null | 1493777116 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | helgisson | null | Depends on the area. A dev job in a less populated area is not gonna pay as well as one in Silicon Valley, but the cost of living is also way lower. | null | 0 | 1491276470 | False | 0 | dfsv3rb | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsr9lm | null | 1493777136 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | YoungAdultFriction | null | A little out of the loop here. What are these companies doing? I take it they're just outsourcing companies that flood IT departments with Indian contractors? | null | 0 | 1491276499 | False | 0 | dfsv4jp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsjl99 | null | 1493777146 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lrflew | null | There are a lot of great additions to this that I am very excited for, but why didn't [P0107R0](http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/p0107r0.pdf) make it? I'm actually working on a library right now that would have been made easier with that. As-is, I need to write and use my own array class because the STL version can't do what I need it to do. | null | 0 | 1491276558 | False | 0 | dfsv63m | t3_6350ax | null | null | t3_6350ax | null | 1493777167 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jigglebilly | null | Is that a joke? Bernie Sanders was running on the platform of ending tpp | null | 0 | 1491276561 | False | 0 | dfsv66o | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsq8nb | null | 1493777168 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | AssholesAreOkIGuess | null | They've just begun realizing they need to convert their monoliths into distributed systems in the cloud. They're trying to pull their normal substandard wage though. Between the lack of talent and large corp bureaucracy, it looked like a miserable position (that was already behind unrealistic deadlines).
80k + free park admission doesn't compete with any other company hiring AWS/Azure engineers. Netflix offers 200-240, other Bay Area companies are within ~10-40k of that. Even non-Bay non-tech companies like Nike offer ~100-130k.
During the interview I ended up telling them what types of questions they should ask to find decent cloud experience. An off brand Java certification is worthless in that regard, yet was somehow a huge factor. | null | 0 | 1491276575 | False | 0 | dfsv6j2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsud8v | null | 1493777173 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stubing | null | PMed. | null | 0 | 1491276620 | False | 0 | dfsv7p5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsv0cs | null | 1493777189 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Xaayer | null | What about a software engineer I in Newport Beach | null | 0 | 1491276638 | False | 0 | dfsv86e | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsv3rb | null | 1493777196 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | programmingguy | null | I've had similar observations and information from friends I know in those circles.... if you get one of those culturally tight Indian types at the top, they are susceptible to have some shenanigans going on behind the scenes (every Indian who came on a visa knows about the Andhras among other demographics). But what makes this possible to a large extent is when management at an American company believes the outsourcing/offshoring hype and decides to hire an Indian outsourcing company or subcontract to a smaller bodyshop. These big outsourcing companies due to the recent visa issues, will subcontract to smaller body shops who will sponsor desperate Indians on an H1-b using fake resumes and profiles (do a google online and you will see some big cases now in court after being busted by law enforcement). Once that decision is made and you have one of those culturally tight Indians at the decision making level calling the shots, you'll see a steady supply of subpar talent...the few who are good will generally take leadership positions within the team to oversee and cleanup any mess or interact with the client.
However I have not heard or seen this type of mentality successfully establish itself in Silicon Valley type companies where standards and scrutiny for talent are higher and a large chunk of tech work is not outsourced (though grudge work like low level testing and support are). It may be there but I would guess to a smaller level. I've seen in the behavior you talk of in the non-tech corporate world (financials/airlines) where they make poor outsourcing decisions because the quality of technologists at the management level in these companies are equally subpar. There are just a few in key position who can easily call out BS. But when you get a manager who has a very poor technical background and can't call out BS, then this kind of stuff happens. This is not easy in a silicon valley type company where almost everyone that is involved with technology has a strong technical background. | null | 0 | 1491276650 | 1491276921 | 0 | dfsv8i4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsgzm0 | null | 1493777200 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ishmal | null | Are you a contractor or direct hire? If contractor, I would appeal to the local manager to get them to hire you, and escape the system. Why? Because they certify the visa, and have the power to save you. | null | 0 | 1491276675 | False | 0 | dfsv93w | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfsur5f | null | 1493777208 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CommonSalt | null | What if a smaller company wishes to hire someone, and they aren't in a metro, where living costs aren't high, what would happen in that case ? The H1B program is being abused (VERY HEAVILY) but this is ALSO stupid. | null | 0 | 1491276737 | False | 0 | dfsvao9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspexh | null | 1493777231 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ArrrGaming | null | Not to mention IT workers aren't scarce and hiring an H1B worker when there's an American willing and able to do the job is bullshit. | null | 0 | 1491276896 | False | 0 | dfsveo3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfstrlw | null | 1493777284 | 136 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nonplussed__ | null | > we are talking about compensating the Government 3x what you get out of your work
he said 50/50 | null | 0 | 1491276911 | False | 0 | dfsvf38 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsk4f4 | null | 1493777290 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MigratedCoconut | null | I'm assuming it was a telecommuting job then with occasional flights to the office. There's a difference between living wherever and working from home and commuting 5 hours round trip every day. | null | 0 | 1491276946 | False | 0 | dfsvfyc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7qoz | null | 1493777302 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Jon-Osterman | null | sounds like it | null | 0 | 1491276984 | False | 0 | dfsvgxd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsv4jp | null | 1493777315 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flukus | null | Yes, but most of those visas are going to dodgy companies abusing the process. What I meant through was something specialised within software, like a really deep knowledge of an AI subfield. | null | 0 | 1491276991 | False | 0 | dfsvh39 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsuaes | null | 1493777317 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jupiterofrome6000 | null | I guess it's a game of adapt until you get replaced. So it goes. | null | 0 | 1491277007 | False | 0 | dfsvhi0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsum5k | null | 1493777323 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 5555 | null | I always thought this was a meme/exaggeration until last week I received this from a recruiter.
http://imgur.com/a/dFkae
Swift was released in 2014. | null | 0 | 1491277023 | False | 0 | dfsvhwo | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3i6m | null | 1493777328 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | no1nose | null | Don't forget Capgemini. | null | 0 | 1491277085 | False | 0 | dfsvjph | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsjl99 | null | 1493777353 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jigglebilly | null | [Sure](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/09/alibaba-to-discuss-expansion-plans-with-trump-company-aims-to-create-1-million-us-jobs-over-the-next-5-years.html)
That doesn't include the automotive industry or coal booms going on right now. Or teslas new giant factories | null | 0 | 1491277146 | False | 0 | dfsvlbm | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsq189 | null | 1493777374 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | Small companies generally don't hire H1B's anyways... the paperwork is too complicated to be worth the effort. | null | 0 | 1491277185 | False | 0 | dfsvmd5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvao9 | null | 1493777388 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Axxhelairon | null | Yeah yeah we get it, you're extremely jealous that you make less in any field compared to any American position, no need to make up lies though | null | 0 | 1491277186 | False | 0 | dfsvme2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5xxt | null | 1493777388 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | Agreed. That would be the right way to do it. #marketdriven | null | 0 | 1491277220 | False | 0 | dfsvnc2 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfssgle | null | 1493777401 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MrToolBelt | null | Seattle college hire is closer to 100k-110k base pay.
You'll get way over 120k total comp/year if you're counting stocks/bonus though. | null | 0 | 1491277221 | False | 0 | dfsvndp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmnaa | null | 1493777401 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | infocusstudio | null | Not so sure?
https://youtu.be/fgQPj90OrQE
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null | OccamsHairbrush | null | Not at all in practice. People from those different sources end up all over the map. There are boot camp dev managers and architects and Masters of CS who can't design or build shit and are basically entry level coders. | null | 0 | 1491277240 | False | 0 | dfsvnwl | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs775s | null | 1493777409 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Go_Terps | null | https://www.justinguitar.com | null | 0 | 1491277244 | False | 0 | dfsvo0m | t3_633o3y | null | null | t1_dfrtlvh | null | 1493777410 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491277255 | False | 0 | dfsvobf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvniv | null | 1493777414 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | I think they are mainly target "computer programming" H1B abuse...
Note: If he cracks down on computer programming H1B abuse, that will make it easier for non-abuse H1Bs to get approved. Basically, it is a lottery system, and you are cutting down the number of illegitimate lottery entrants this way... | null | 0 | 1491277272 | False | 0 | dfsvorx | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsuxyg | null | 1493777420 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | rabidcow | null | Incrementing booleans did not work that way in C++. | null | 0 | 1491277345 | False | 0 | dfsvqtj | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfsjv21 | null | 1493777448 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | For employer-sided payroll taxes. They are used to deceive so most people don't notice how high your income process really takes from you, Americans included.
He still has to pay all of the other high taxes France has to offer workers. | null | 0 | 1491277350 | False | 0 | dfsvqxm | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvf38 | null | 1493777449 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CommonSalt | null | Well Cisco hires H1B's, and here in RTP they pay around 70k as a starting salary for entry-level hires. There will be tons of examples of companies that hire H1B's and who don't pay as much because the costs of living aren't that high. My point still stands. | null | 0 | 1491277351 | False | 0 | dfsvqz7 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvmd5 | null | 1493777450 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Lat1nguy | null | holy shit, im a new grad in computer science and in my country the average for programming related positions is 14k LOL, btw im from Chile | null | 0 | 1491277359 | False | 0 | dfsvr6t | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfss9n1 | null | 1493777453 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | So basically, the troll account has now forfeited all arguments and is now resulting to further ignorance. I see how it is. | null | 0 | 1491277359 | False | 0 | dfsvr7a | t3_62wye0 | null | null | t1_dfsu1zv | null | 1493777453 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 236throw | null | When the H1B program started, the minimum salary was 60k. Adjusted for inflation, that is 130k in today money. If the salary had scaled over time, this would be objectively false. | null | 0 | 1491277365 | False | 0 | dfsvrc4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs59ku | null | 1493777454 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fevieiraleite | null | That's just extra stuff I can learn if I want to. I don't think there's a bachelor degree that specific and if there is imo it's stupid to take it since it leaves you with very few options for employment as opposed to taking a more general course like software engineering.
Also in this field, it's really not that common for people to do a masters specializing in those areas. Employers care about what you know and what you've done. If you can prove you know what you claim on the technical interview, that's all they care about.
Anyways my current employer already said they will sponsor me if they need to, and I'm a simple web developer :) | null | 0 | 1491277381 | False | 0 | dfsvrs3 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvh39 | null | 1493777461 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | This is what I'm talking about. There are actually consulting companies that specialize in this. Also, most major companies have it, but as you touched on, smaller companies do not do this because they do not want to invest the resources at the risk of the candidate leaving after 6 months. But the reality is you have to do this one way or another or you have to pay $100k+ to people with a great deal of relevant experience. | null | 0 | 1491277395 | False | 0 | dfsvs64 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsuyf3 | null | 1493777466 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Samautotal | null | Happened to me, twice (not indian though). | null | 0 | 1491277421 | False | 0 | dfsvsvh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsl2m6 | null | 1493777477 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stubing | null | If you come to America to work, make sure you got to seattle or the Valley. | null | 0 | 1491277432 | False | 0 | dfsvt69 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvr6t | null | 1493777482 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | maheshpec | null | There are some super smart programmers in Infosys. Others can copy pasta which doesn't need a degree tbh | null | 0 | 1491277439 | False | 0 | dfsvtc5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsc5oy | null | 1493777484 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ijustwantanfingname | null | >Awful weather, disappointing culture, and stamps of chain strip malls help keep prices low.
To be honest, idk wtf you're talking about.
The weather is pretty typical for the midwest, and less stormy than I'm used to near STL (which is a plus for most people, though not me).
The strip mall stuff is mostly limited to JOCO...downtown KC is pretty 'chic'.
I want to disagree with the culture thing, as there is a lot of artsty/hipster shit here, but I'm about to contradict myself.
My issue with this area is that there are two types of people. People trying too god damn hard to be 'cool' hipster shits, and 'normal' boring people who get married at 23 and have 3 kids and a house in JoCo by 26. Frankly, I need to get to know some trashier people. I miss the southeast. | null | 0 | 1491277447 | False | 0 | dfsvtk8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfstamu | null | 1493777487 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | krohmium | null | There are different ways for a company to sponsor someone other than through an H1B Visa. You should research. Good for you I guess. | null | 0 | 1491277485 | False | 0 | dfsvujz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsgl0d | null | 1493777500 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sojobo1 | null | I'm guessing he's one of the H1B parasites who was deported for incompetence or something | null | 0 | 1491277490 | False | 0 | dfsvuom | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspnd8 | null | 1493777502 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | O(1) only means constant time. One algorithms O(N) can be much faster than another algorithms O(1). | null | 0 | 1491277599 | False | 0 | dfsvxf1 | t3_62wye0 | null | null | t1_dfpx44f | null | 1493777538 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | LTS1287 | null | Not only that but the market will not embrace it until its too late. People still write COBOL for banking software and only now are these banks beginning to realize that they should have updated their codebase decades ago.
We have some really great ideas that no one gives a shit about. The exokernel, NetBSD's anykernel, Plan9, object capabilities, mathematically verifiable software, etc.
We could go on for hours about all the great ideas that will never be implemented. | null | 0 | 1491277709 | False | 0 | dfsw07e | t3_63auwj | null | null | t1_dfsum3s | null | 1493777576 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | Exactly. That is the fundamental difference between a software engineer and a computer programmer. Computer programmers know one toolset while true engineers are well versed and capable of wearing many hats across a project.
Web developers are not seriously worth 100k+. Some get that, but I think they are oftentimes overpaid... but then again I live in the midwest. $100k+ here will get you a lot farther than on the east or west coast... and honestly web developers probably shouldn't be getting brought in on H1B visas.
That having been said, experienced engineers who can do a bit of everything but specialize in one relevant and in demand skillset can easily earn $100-150k+. And, to be totally frank, no serious engineer is educated solely in school - all serious software engineers I have met have done a great deal of self study because technologies and practices are still evolving and changing. I don't see that changing any time soon. | null | 0 | 1491277737 | False | 0 | dfsw0we | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsqurj | null | 1493777587 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Uncaffeinated | null | By "most mainstream programming languages", do you mean C and C++? | null | 0 | 1491277748 | False | 0 | dfsw169 | t3_63auwj | null | null | t1_dfsum3s | null | 1493777593 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wtfhappenedindunbar | null | I think a lot of Americans would be offended by the cost of living compared to incomes and taxation in Canada despite the "free" healthcare.
That said, as a Canadian who has worked in the US and isn't in IT, I'd much rather start and raise a family in Canada than in the US because I'm making good money, just not well-in-to-six-figures good money like it seems anyone with a comp sci degree or 5+ years of experience is in the US. | null | 0 | 1491277800 | False | 0 | dfsw2gp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6gnh | null | 1493777610 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | > I disagree, it's literally the easiest way to weed out the least suitable languages, and if Rust happens to pass the one-weekend test you can then ask more nuanced questions than "what about its downsides, guys?".
This seems like a bad idea because it is a subjective measurement rather than an objective one. The only complaints I see against Rust in this community is that they just don't like the look of the syntax, because it uses more syntax than C, so someone may discard Rust during a weekend test just because they don't like that it isn't C, or that they had difficulty wrapping their heads around the move semantics, even if that was merely a first week hurdle when mastering the language. | null | 0 | 1491277859 | False | 0 | dfsw3v7 | t3_62wye0 | null | null | t1_dfqd8pg | null | 1493777629 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Shautieh | null | No, most. You can add all programming languages which allow nulls, and all programming languages with no strong typing that is going to make sure you are not using things for what they are not. | null | 0 | 1491277938 | False | 0 | dfsw5r8 | t3_63auwj | null | null | t1_dfsw169 | null | 1493777654 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jim234234red | null | I know, right? It's like these assholes expect their own government to do what benefits the citizens of the country, and not the rest of the world, for once. | null | 0 | 1491277961 | False | 0 | dfsw6ce | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfstx65 | null | 1493777663 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Lat1nguy | null | will have it in mind thanks, which area and/or language do you think are the best to start with? I have been getting offers from consultant agencys (evaluserve, accenture, tata, etc) but i dont know how it is at an entry level | null | 0 | 1491278008 | False | 0 | dfsw7f1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvt69 | null | 1493777678 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | black_phone | null | If you want to see the H1B visa holders, come to Fremont CA. Indians pack multiple families into studio apartments, because they simply do not care about the lease or housing laws, in an attempt to horde the money before returning to India.
| null | 0 | 1491278094 | False | 0 | dfsw9fw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsc5oy | null | 1493777706 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491278098 | 1492288502 | 0 | dfsw9j8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfstyvp | null | 1493777707 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jim234234red | null | It's not the worry of US citizens to ensure every citizen of the world is *lifted up*. Instead, we expect our government to work for us.
Flooding the labor market - indentured servants or green card holders - pushes down wages, lowers working conditions, and increases the power of managers and owners over labor.
It has gone too far. | null | 0 | 1491278122 | False | 0 | dfswa2i | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfsur5f | null | 1493777715 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | gloggy | null | This is exactly how I use SQLite. Even storing binary assets in SQLite makes sense. Its BLOB access functions are well designed and you can easily stream them. I also love the fact that I have built-in search and a command line giving me full access to my file format. It is really a great idea with very few downsides. | null | 0 | 1491278135 | False | 0 | dfswae7 | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t3_63adw4 | null | 1493777720 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MET1 | null | Just about every Fortune 500 company, you're just listing the ones that have been in the news. | null | 0 | 1491278257 | False | 0 | dfswdbf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs59ku | null | 1493777761 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bnovc | null | At 23? Pretty late for Kansas ;)
The weather is unbearable in the summer and winter. | null | 0 | 1491278301 | False | 0 | dfsweco | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsvtk8 | null | 1493777776 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | holyknight00 | null | only us? | null | 0 | 1491278308 | False | 0 | dfswejh | t3_638wyo | null | null | t3_638wyo | null | 1493777778 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | I'm going on my third year with Rust and I still have no complaints whatsoever. I see no inherent flaws with the language as it is today. Some advancements to the language could and are in the process of being made that could make some super complex challenges much easier though, but that work would basically have no impact on me even if it landed.
Thing about Rust is that it's made during the Internet age, and is fully equipped to harness Internet-powered software development. If there's an area that can be improved, you don't have to wait 10-20 years for a committee to release a spec sheet and then compilers to implement those specs in their vision. You also don't have to go far to find some high quality crates provided by the community. Open source is the future here. | null | 0 | 1491278370 | False | 0 | dfswfxp | t3_62wye0 | null | null | t1_dfq6q4w | null | 1493777797 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | SANlurker | null | That sounds about right as someone who is TN-1 status now and has become super careful about how any potential interpretation by a xenophobic border official or a higher up that may fuck up my life by deciding to deny entry.
Do not _EVER_ show any indication that you want to stay in the US or would even consider it.
Hell, as much as I like my lifestyle right now and don't have the latent anti-Americanism a lot of Canadians have, I'll make a snide remark to American border guards that "I would stay in Canada _if_ I could find a job in my field, instead I'll have to settle for the US because at least someone will pay me for my skills there. I hope I never have to visit a hospital and be financially ruined over an ear infection." | null | 0 | 1491278417 | 1491279725 | 0 | dfswh06 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5ucn | null | 1493777812 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | PythonPuzzler | null | I'm really glad l read this before responding to your above comment. I was going to leave a snarky comment about you being an elitist!
This makes much more sense. | null | 0 | 1491278439 | False | 0 | dfswhib | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsschd | null | 1493777819 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mahdidibaiee | null | Why, it's not completely random. We give the AI the bird's y coordinate, the next entrance's height, and the horizontal distance to next entrance, and the AI figures out whether it should jump or do nothing in order to get passed the wall.
Flappy Bird is one of the simplest examples of this, take a look at gym.openai.com to see other games being solved, some of which have the pixel's of the game as input! | null | 0 | 1491278531 | False | 0 | dfswjmr | t3_638cme | null | null | t1_dfsexbp | null | 1493777847 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pujuma | null | about FUCKING TIME | null | 0 | 1491278534 | False | 0 | dfswjoz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493777848 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jocull | null | This is basically the plot of Battlestar Galactica. Next thing you know we're back to old ass telephones. | null | 0 | 1491278553 | False | 0 | dfswk5i | t3_63auwj | null | null | t3_63auwj | null | 1493777854 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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