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null | poco | null | Then change that part of the system. Make it so they must pay above a certain amount and let the companies decide if the employee is worth it. | null | 0 | 1491268421 | False | 0 | dfsokmo | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfso29r | null | 1493773900 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | skilledroy2016 | null | might not be just higher pay, it could also be either lower hiring standards, or aggressive training programs | null | 0 | 1491268468 | False | 0 | dfsom2m | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfsf84c | null | 1493773920 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | The_Account_UK | null | Yes South Korea is very sad that they have steel, shipbuilding, construction and electronics industries in their country. It'd have been so much better just to buy/hire whoever or whatever was best at the time rather than developing Korean industries and employing Korean workers. | null | 0 | 1491268517 | False | 0 | dfsonhv | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsb9nt | null | 1493773941 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | JeletonSkelly | null | Completely agree with your sentiment. I hate to admit my opinion. I've worked with some great foreign engineers. I just think H-1B is being abused and it's hurting skilled American programmers. | null | 0 | 1491268567 | False | 0 | dfsop1j | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsjzvh | null | 1493773962 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Shautieh | null | If they didn't end up working to death with sadistic bosses that would torture them if they were caught trying to sleep or escape the building, or committing suicide in gruesome ways with blood splashes everywhere on the floor and their coworkers because of how bored they became, then those are hardly horror stories... | null | 0 | 1491268712 | False | 0 | dfsotj4 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsl2m6 | null | 1493774024 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eluusive | null | Most people have no idea what software engineering pays; and don't have access to the social capital to make good decisions about their future; or have non-monetary ideas at heart when making a career choice. That's part of Google's advertising campaigns for getting more coders right now.
Additionally, your graph is also very deceptive. College degrees as a whole have gotten more much more popular in the united states. The number of people going to SW has definitely grown.
The only thing you've shown is that the proportion of people obtaining degrees in CS field hasn't grown. That's actually not true -- significant portions are no longer entering the field through the 4-year degree route. *Most* of the people I know didn't. That wasn't true in 1972.
This is IN SPITE of the fact that wages have stagnated since 1972. ($120,000.00 in 2017 had the same buying power as $20,428.11 in 1972 -- http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php)
Additionally, there are very few degrees on that chart which represent your statement of: "finger painting class and expect 6 figures for their opinion"
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null | TaylorSpokeApe | null | You could go to Mexico and cross from there, then head directly to a sanctuary city. | null | 1 | 1491268843 | False | 0 | dfsoxrb | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsjn0k | null | 1493774084 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | The_Account_UK | null | H1-B visas help them to outsource. | null | 0 | 1491268852 | False | 0 | dfsoy0v | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsd27l | null | 1493774087 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | STL | null | The language and library *cannot* accumulate complexity forever. Discarding old technology at a predictable pace is crucial to moving forward. | null | 0 | 1491268937 | False | 0 | dfsp0ik | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfsnabp | null | 1493774121 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | devlambda | null | Can you share the results of this legal analysis? Obvious questions:
* The license seems to grant only a right to distribute. What about other rights that normally are reserved exclusively to the author? For example, the license seems to grant a right to distribute derivative works, but not to prepare a derivative work in the first place? Similarly, the right to reproduce and the right to distribute copies to the public are generally listed as distinct rights. The language seems to imply that only the latter is covered, but not the former. What about the right to publicly perform (say) documentation in video form?
* The license grants rights only to legal entities. This seems to be an oddly chosen term. What about people that may not be understood to be legal entities, such as minors in some jurisdictions?
* Has this license been drafted exclusively for use in America or has the legal situation in other countries also be considered? | null | 0 | 1491268950 | False | 0 | dfsp0wm | t3_638uun | null | null | t1_dfsesyv | null | 1493774126 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | JamminOnTheOne | null | Yeah, I think it's how /u/cowinabadplace [explained it](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/637m7q/computer_programmers_may_no_longer_be_eligible/dfs96id/): there's two ends of the talent market:
* At the high end, top employers are hiring all the top talent they can, and paying them well (both Americans and H1Bs). And most everyone's happy, and there's no desire to change the H1B limits or requirements (this sounds like your experience, and mine too).
* At the low end, crappy employers are hiring based on price, and crappy/undesirable American engineers are getting undercut by outsourcing companies bringing in low-end H1Bs. And some of those "undesirable" engineers are probably perfectly cromulent engineers, without the pedigree or youth or soft skills or freedom in life to garner the six-figure high-end jobs. | null | 0 | 1491269027 | False | 0 | dfsp37r | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs81ac | null | 1493774158 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | chugga_fan | null | > Or the taxi driver could make more money by working for Uber/Lyft. Yes, really.
actually, those people are being paid less now, so it's slave-wage sweatshop working for them.. | null | 0 | 1491269057 | False | 0 | dfsp43w | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsljm3 | null | 1493774170 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | YRYGAV | null | > broke and can't afford to move
Top companies generally pay for relocation, and you get a signing bonus.
> are married and have a spouse that works in the area so you can't just leave your wife and family behind
Well, that's the choice made between you and your spouse, that doesn't mean the opportunity isn't available. Most families are capable of moving if it improves their quality of life.
> have disabilities which make everything much harder in life to begin with
If any company was showing signs of discrimination they would have been brought to court long ago.
> and quite simply, the area you live in will only hire you if you aren't an American citizen
I am pretty sure all top tech companies are blanket hiring anybody that meets their criteria. The reason they pay so much is because they are desperate for people. Google is not run like your local restaurant.
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null | RailRobe | null | That wouldn't work really... Just don't pay them back and sue the shit out of them when they fire you for wrongful termination. Walk away with 6 years of salary, and time to job hunt. | null | 0 | 1491269096 | False | 0 | dfsp59u | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfso7ab | null | 1493774186 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iconoclaus | null | entry level positions in UK and EU can start as 25-30k if i'm not mistaken. i'd like to hear from coders in those markets if i'm wrong. | null | 0 | 1491269099 | False | 0 | dfsp5dd | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs41vy | null | 1493774187 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TheJPetermanCo | null | Thank Trump too. | null | 1 | 1491269107 | False | 0 | dfsp5ml | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfshlms | null | 1493774191 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vfxdev | null | It's actually very hard to find qualified american citizens to fill programming positions. You can find people with a college degree for sure, then you ask them a simple interview question and they crumble.
edit: sure,down vote me, but any hiring manager will tell you the same thing. It's hard to find good help. | null | 0 | 1491269124 | 1491274012 | 0 | dfsp64j | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgr3 | null | 1493774197 | -21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | PointyOintment | null | #local p=function{pattern{granite}}isosurface{function{y-.3+p(x/10,9,z/10)}contained_by{box{-9,9}}}light_source{<3,.5,8>,1}media{scattering{2,<3,2,1>/9}emission<.3,.4,1>density{function{.1/(y+1)}}}sphere{0,1pigment{granite poly_wave 4}scale-7*y+9hollow}
It's only that short because it uses a lot of stuff provided by the environment in which it runs. Does any general-purpose language provide `pattern`, `isosurface`, `light_source`, `media`, `scattering`, `emission`, `density`, `pigment`, or equivalents? | null | 0 | 1491269172 | False | 0 | dfsp7jp | t3_630cgb | null | null | t1_dfrw7k6 | null | 1493774217 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nyrol | null | But then smaller companies can't take advantage of the system as they could be performing highly specialized tasks that no one in America is available to do. They would rely on bringing in foreign talent for maybe one thing, but wouldn't be able to pay that amount. Having the minimum be a hard requirement is silly. If they can prove they need them at that price, they should be allowed to bring them in. | null | 0 | 1491269205 | False | 0 | dfsp8j9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsokmo | null | 1493774230 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | $100-160k+ is more typical for an experienced software engineer. Some earn more, much more...
Of course, everybody thinks they are an experienced engineer, so let me define what that actually means. If you are an experienced software engineer you should be familiar with algorithms, design patterns, software development lifecycle, requirements gathering, modern web development, backend development, databases, server administration, possibly mobile/embedded development, and definitely enterprise integration patterns. Also, you should have 5+ years experience on a breadth of projects, large and small, at companies and teams with different organizational structures.
Basically, the people making the big bucks have a breadth of knowledge and can work on just about any system. They aren't on-trick-ponies who only know one technology or one toolset. They also would typically cringe if you call them "programmers" since what we do is really much broader than just writing code... | null | 1 | 1491269206 | False | 0 | dfsp8ku | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgsc | null | 1493774231 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | zellyman | null | Yep, that's when you try to transition into management! | null | 0 | 1491269225 | False | 0 | dfsp958 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsg709 | null | 1493774239 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Phailjure | null | Well, yeah, of course I apply to anything that I think I qualify for based on the description of the position, and generally ignore requirements that say they need a couple years experience for no real reason (I feel like it is different when they say "needs 5 years proven experience with kernel development" or something like that, but that kind of thing is usually pretty apparent from the job description).
However, I feel like their HR department could just be throwing out anything that doesn't meet or exceed the minimums. Who knows. Weeks of applying with little response is getting to me. | null | 0 | 1491269230 | False | 0 | dfsp9a5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsnpgo | null | 1493774241 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Also too afraid, or really just against organizing. Too many temporarily embarrassed Zuckerbergs in this industry. | null | 0 | 1491269312 | False | 0 | dfspbqr | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs6sx6 | null | 1493774274 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ijustwantanfingname | null | "in a metro area" doesn't mean much. Check your local COL before complaining to your boss. $80K in denver is less than $70K in kansas city.
edit: Holy fuck, $80K in KC is the same as $146K in San Fran. Fuuuuuuuck. | null | 0 | 1491269332 | False | 0 | dfspcat | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmmdh | null | 1493774281 | 82 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | I think they are the same group | null | 0 | 1491269377 | False | 0 | dfspdmj | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfskhby | null | 1493774298 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lurkdedurk | null | I'm not. Companies need to train their own better. H1B removes this incentive if they can get loyal ones instead with little investment | null | 1 | 1491269401 | False | 0 | dfspeac | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsoeyz | null | 1493774308 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | In theory, then, Trump's policy would help this. Basically, it would mean top-tier offers would be getting preference over lower-tier offers. | null | 0 | 1491269422 | False | 0 | dfspexh | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsl2m6 | null | 1493774316 | 79 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mmstick | null | > If any company was showing signs of discrimination they would have been brought to court long ago.
Imagine trying to get a job when you are incapable of orally speaking. That's the key issue that I suffer from, and when I explain this to a recruiter in an email that asks for a phone conversation, I'm basically dropped from consideration from that point. | null | 0 | 1491269436 | False | 0 | dfspfch | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp4wv | null | 1493774323 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | moreON | null | Welcome to https://xkcd.com/927/ | null | 0 | 1491269440 | False | 0 | dfspfgz | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t1_dfsp0dp | null | 1493774324 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491269483 | False | 0 | dfspgof | t3_63a2p9 | null | null | t3_63a2p9 | null | 1493774341 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jewdai | null | >You are damn right I'm going to demand a competitive salary and competitive working conditions.
not if your visa is on the line. if you lose your job you are fucked. You have 30 days to find a new job or get out of the country.
asking for a raise? you're fired.
Asking for better PPE, you're fired.
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null | destinoverde | null | At last! | null | 0 | 1491269509 | False | 0 | dfsphgc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsh4bi | null | 1493774352 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | clintp | null | I have a project that has a bunch of interrelated records in varying types that need to be transferred between two sites in bulk. Since this is a from-scratch protocol... it's worth considering. Huh.
JSON would have been the other encoding consideration, but honestly, relationships get muddied in anything other than a straightforward hierarchy. Plus it's not very dense. Human traversal of JSON is a pain. | null | 0 | 1491269510 | False | 0 | dfsphh4 | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t3_63adw4 | null | 1493774352 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | grajek | null | Your second bullet point proved your ignorance. 99% of the foreign contractors I work with (at a very large company, so there are many of them, they outnumber us 4 to 1) are way less skilled and competent. I don't agree at all with your comments. You say you want the system fixed but you're justifying the abuse of the H-1B program based on your comments. Face palm. | null | 0 | 1491269529 | False | 0 | dfspi2f | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsoc03 | null | 1493774360 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nechneb | null | Or pay more. | null | 0 | 1491269530 | False | 0 | dfspi3x | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfscfmj | null | 1493774360 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491269557 | 1491969305 | 0 | dfspixd | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t1_dfspfgz | null | 1493774372 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Jdonavan | null | Columbus, Ohio has a pretty big tech community. There's a crapton of insurance companies and large banks with a smattering of pure tech firms scattered around.
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null | Jdonavan | null | Come to Columbus Ohio. We're slightly warmer, way friendlier and our tech community is thriving. | null | 0 | 1491269615 | False | 0 | dfspkp1 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsaac4 | null | 1493774399 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vfxdev | null | Do you know how big Disney is? There is no IT department. Practically every department/sub company has its own IT department.
The "IT department" is thousands of people spanning many states, countries, and companies Disney owns. ILM, Pixar, Disney Animation, ABC, Marvel, Imagineering, the list goes in.
What you are talking about is one small team that was replaced. I know tons of "IT" people that work at Disney that are American. Is it bad, yes, but lets not claim it was some company wide change.
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null | JamminOnTheOne | null | > 200 applications later and 0 interviews
This is a pretty extreme outcome; even if I concede your points about employers deliberately overlooking really good local talent, I have trouble believing that they would all do it so uniformly, in an atmosphere that is generally so competitive and open to those who buck trends. Occam's Razor suggests I focus on the common point here.
Have you considered that your approach/resume/application is for shit? Have you talked to people in industry who hire? Have you gotten feedback on your resume/cover letters/whatever? Have you tried experimenting with any of those? What methods have you used to find jobs (I'm a little wary of your references to "applications")? Did you have any kind of professional network when you were looking for jobs? | null | 0 | 1491269637 | False | 0 | dfsplce | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsb124 | null | 1493774407 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jewdai | null | I was making 100k after 2 yrs experience in a major metro area.
Companies like Bloomberg pay theirs 170k | null | 0 | 1491269638 | False | 0 | dfspldt | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslvph | null | 1493774408 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee | null | Pulled it from https://smartasset.com/retirement/the-rise-of-the-software-engineer
The exact number is a bit hazy due to the different job titles and roles in tech, there isn't really a single "computer programmer" title. I've seen numbers as low as 0.8% or as high as 4%, but always well below the national unemployment rate
Your personal experience can be explained by all sorts of different factors, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a great deal of American software developers being unable to find work for any reason, much less specifically due to H1Bs.
I guess I have the same question for you, do you have any source to suggest that this is happening on any real scale? Every time this conversation comes up the anti-H1B argument seems to be mostly anecdotally based. There are certainly issues with the H1B program, mostly around how its participants are sometimes treated, but I've never seen statistics to suggest that it's putting Americans out of a job. | null | 0 | 1491269655 | 1491269952 | 0 | dfsplvr | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslidn | null | 1493774414 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | cheesewithpork | null | So... It's official | null | 0 | 1491269669 | False | 0 | dfspm9l | t3_637fi2 | null | null | t1_dfs88te | null | 1493774420 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Muvlon | null | Wait, what's the return type of to_string(std::string)? | null | 0 | 1491269687 | False | 0 | dfspmqe | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfrib2r | null | 1493774426 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ijustwantanfingname | null | ...? Where did that come from? | null | 0 | 1491269708 | False | 0 | dfspnd8 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsj2ti | null | 1493774435 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | weilycoyote | null | Yup. Absolute fastest connection in my area from a major provider is 50*5. Fastest from a local provider is 100*100, but that's only available in the super rural areas that aren't served by the major cable company (thanks to grant money) | null | 0 | 1491269784 | False | 0 | dfsppnl | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsfnzq | null | 1493774466 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | WagwanKenobi | null | Absolutely. I meant primarily disastrous for America. | null | 0 | 1491269832 | False | 0 | dfspr29 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslax8 | null | 1493774488 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | GBACHO | null | I make more than 2x that. I made more than 70k 10 years ago | null | 0 | 1491269853 | False | 0 | dfsproo | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgsc | null | 1493774497 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CSharpReallySucks | null | > 150 PHP keywords in 10 seconds
if if if if if if if if if if if if... | null | 0 | 1491269861 | False | 0 | dfspryd | t3_638rgm | null | null | t1_dfsk8o8 | null | 1493774501 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ijustwantanfingname | null | Could be worse. A lot of programmers have to live in California. | null | 0 | 1491269861 | False | 0 | dfsprze | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfscx0r | null | 1493774501 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [removed] | null | 0 | 1491269898 | False | 0 | dfspt4y | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsc5oy | null | 1493774516 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iconoclaus | null | I too hope that this makes life better for US coders. But i'm mostly cheering this move because it will be a far bigger boon for other countries. US companies aren't going to suddenly start hiring more US coders, sad to say (I've got tons of friends in software dev industry in US). American companies have seen this coming and have already started up massive R&D facilities for coding in other countries. For example, [Google](http://www.livemint.com/Companies/tZQrPsWMTDST9YPmwDQeeK/Google-to-build-biggest-campus-outside-US-in-Hyderabad.html), [Apple](http://www.livemint.com/Industry/LBkkpSEiPQGSfGjFw4P4iK/Apple-opens-its-first-development-centre-in-India-in-Hyderab.html), and [Microsoft](http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/company/corporate-trends/microsoft-close-to-signing-9-year-lease-with-prestige-group-for-600000-square-feet-office-in-bengaluru/articleshow/57508969.cms) are all aggressively setting up huge coding shops in India (each center will employ 5-15k coders to begin, and that's just in one city!). Since they can't hire enough competitive coders in the US (yes, they don't want to pay those Bay area salaries either), they're just shifting over coding to other places. | null | 0 | 1491269932 | 1491272062 | 0 | dfspu7h | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs3fo0 | null | 1493774532 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | N4kk11 | null | That's not as expensive as I thought | null | 0 | 1491270029 | False | 0 | dfspx9u | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsj99r | null | 1493774574 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | deuteros | null | > US software developers also work 60 hour weeks, come in on weekends a lot, and have nothing even remotely resembling holidays.
Some do. Many don't. I've never worked for a company like that. | null | 0 | 1491270095 | False | 0 | dfspz7e | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs5xxt | null | 1493774600 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | POGtastic | null | This is one of the reasons why people do 2-3 years in SF, get the resume they want, and then move to Cleveland or Pittsburgh or whatever. They still earn a six-figure salary as a programmer for the Factory of Sadness, but now houses cost $250k-300k instead of $1.5 million. | null | 0 | 1491270107 | False | 0 | dfspzi0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspcat | null | 1493774605 | 87 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jacobbeasley | null | We need to do apprenticeships... actually many major companies are doing this when they hire people straight out of college... They call them "leadership training programs" and things. | null | 0 | 1491270119 | False | 0 | dfspzue | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp64j | null | 1493774609 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 000xxx000 | null | Public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders to be profitable. Capitalism and protectionism are incompatible choices, you can try to strike a balance but can not excel at both. | null | 0 | 1491270119 | False | 0 | dfspzv0 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsdkyi | null | 1493774609 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jkure2 | null | MY MAN | null | 0 | 1491270127 | False | 0 | dfsq03y | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfse3pw | null | 1493774613 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Do you have a source for the manufacturing jobs? | null | 0 | 1491270164 | False | 0 | dfsq189 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslrle | null | 1493774628 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ArmandoWall | null | Well, I'm glad to be part of that elite club then. :-)
Rare skills is a different ball game, though. Those with truly rare skills can opt for a green card directly. | null | 0 | 1491270184 | False | 0 | dfsq1t7 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsnp4x | null | 1493774637 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tech-ninja | null | You should read the whole thread. Somebody commented "what about those companies who use the system the right way?". And then somebody replied "The right way to do it is to train locals".
In that context, my reply is along the lines "it's not that simple and refusing to take foreign talent is more harm to the US than good".
I agree right now is not used they it's supposed to. It's used as a business. Staffing companies make a lot of money off their contractors.
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null | Iron_Maiden_666 | null | >I'm gonna guess you don't work in IT do you? I personally know people at Disney who are extremely dedicated and talented who got canned for no reason other than profit.
That's what happens when you build a whole country based on share holder profit.
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null | tekmailer | null | [For the semi-lazy...](http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/)
Disclaimer: go a little further than this--do more research on your value as a whole. | null | 0 | 1491270266 | False | 0 | dfsq4as | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspcat | null | 1493774671 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kur1j | null | That's hard for me to believe (I don't believe it) that the vast majority of people don't know what software engineers do, or what their typical pay is. Kids are HAMMERED in schools about STEM, every other damn day it's "girls in STEM"! I know for a fact that they are as I taught for several school in the BEST robotics competitions (BEST robotics is for poor schools who don't have large corporations backing their FIRST robotics teams essentially). I did this for 7 years. In certain cases the entire school was invited to the talks and in certain cases was mandatory for the students to attend a presentation of BEST. We showed earning potentials, we showed cool stuff we did, we showed previous competitions. I got remarks from the students that participated that it was awesome and how great it was. I know out of the 100 or so students that did participate directly in the competitions on our team 2 went into engineering. So no, a student in the last 10-15 years I don't believe for one second hasn't been hounded in the most normal circumstances about going into STEM.
Even though there are larger portions of people graduating because more degrees are being issued, it still shows that proportionally, there isn't some large jump into engineering. If X number of degrees issued in 1970 and 9% of those are in engineering, now in 2010 2X degrees are issued, 9% of those degrees are still engineering. However, now that there are so many more qualified people for less in demand jobs people are having more difficulties getting a job.
Not sure of the point of buying power in 1972 vs today. Back then you earned a good wage, today still earn good wage.
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null | ArmandoWall | null | I know that happens, as I had those fears myself. It's not even 30 days. It's _effective immediately_, which makes it even worse.
But one can still negotiate within reason.
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null | deuteros | null | > But those taxes pay for various things, such as retirement, unemployment insurance (helped me quite a bit), health insurance, among other things.
If you're a software engineer in the US you can have all of those things *and* a much higher salary and lower cost of living. | null | 0 | 1491270369 | False | 0 | dfsq7bf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsde48 | null | 1493774716 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Agent-A | null | So I worked for a contractor, that built a system that should take 6 months, in 2 months. Client demands, marketing timeframe, that sort of thing. We spent the following two years maintaining, adding features, and begging the client to let us at least refactor some bits. Finally, in October 2014, we found out that they were hiring TCS to do a full ground-up new version. TCS would be given 6 months, and then we would help transition and that would be it.
I left that contractor company for unrelated reasons, but I stay in touch. Apparently, they plan to launch this month. That's almost exactly a year later than the initial launch plan. I just wish I could see the code they took 18 months writing. | null | 0 | 1491270373 | False | 0 | dfsq7fr | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsh0ud | null | 1493774719 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MagillaGorillasHat | null | And we have Google fiber!
But seriously, KC is a phenomenal value. We really didn't experience the huge housing bubble that most metros did. I live in a 3bd, 3 ba, 2 car garage, full lot, in a great school district and paid ~$130,000 for it in 2010. Would probably sell for ~$145,000 today. | null | 0 | 1491270396 | False | 0 | dfsq83l | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspcat | null | 1493774727 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Ahh right. Smalltalk. The language that has several different implemetations
^^^^and ^^^^barely ^^^^anybody ^^^^uses | null | 0 | 1491270405 | False | 0 | dfsq8db | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfsc12o | null | 1493774732 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | deuteros | null | How is ending TPP a good thing? | null | 0 | 1491270415 | False | 0 | dfsq8nb | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslrle | null | 1493774736 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tech-ninja | null | I'm not.
I can see that. We can agree to disagree. | null | 0 | 1491270441 | False | 0 | dfsq9g9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfspeac | null | 1493774747 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lavosprime | null | Under many contracts, any work produced by an individual contributor using company resources belongs to the company, but that doesn't mean the company assigns individuals specifically to that work. 20% projects are done on company time, so they belong to the company, but they aren't officially endorsed or marketed or staffed by the company. | null | 0 | 1491270460 | False | 0 | dfsq9z6 | t3_637fi2 | null | null | t1_dfspm9l | null | 1493774755 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | suninabox | null | >The only people really opposing ride sharing are the cab medallion owners who's once lucrative little Mafia is now nearly worthless.
A legally enforced system by which competing labor at lower prices is locked out of the market, in order to secure artificially high prices. So glad we oppose that concept in all its forms, not just when its convenient. | null | 0 | 1491270651 | False | 0 | dfsqfpg | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsljm3 | null | 1493774836 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | joelypolly | null | Not rare for someone who is actually good too make over 200K to 300K after a decade of experience. | null | 0 | 1491270658 | False | 0 | dfsqfyf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslvph | null | 1493774839 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TotalInvisibility | null | Blaming society's flaws on anyone everyone than 40* is the current reddit thing.
\* Even though 40 yos are Gen-X (or early Gen-Y) and not boomers by a long shot. | null | 0 | 1491270700 | False | 0 | dfsqh83 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsibxi | null | 1493774856 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iconoclaus | null | that's just unfathomable for those of us not there to witness it. | null | 0 | 1491270721 | False | 0 | dfsqhui | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsbqzg | null | 1493774866 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Baeocystin | null | No it isn't. If it was actually difficult, and the H1-B wellspring wasn't flowing full force, there wouldn't be problems like staying employed as a programmer past age 35. | null | 0 | 1491270727 | False | 0 | dfsqi0s | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp64j | null | 1493774868 | 31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ffxpwns | null | Meh. C isn't that good.
Why hasn't anyone re-written C in Rust? | null | 0 | 1491270729 | False | 0 | dfsqi27 | t3_6372yi | null | null | t3_6372yi | null | 1493774868 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Enlight1Oment | null | I'm at a structural engineering firm, last time we opened up to applicants I think there was only one American citizen out of around 30 applicants. Most are either Chinese or Iranian. It's definitely needed in my work place. | null | 0 | 1491270753 | False | 0 | dfsqiqp | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgr3 | null | 1493774877 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iconoclaus | null | and what visa would they come work on, now that the H1B window is closed? | null | 0 | 1491270761 | False | 0 | dfsqj05 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs7p10 | null | 1493774882 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | cclites | null | Beats me - | null | 0 | 1491270793 | False | 0 | dfsqjxa | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfskuy0 | null | 1493774893 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MINIMAN10001 | null | I mean I don't know how simple we are talking here because there is a point where valid syntax and simple problems should be able to be solved.
But anything more than that and your reach a point where your discussing algorithms and specific subject matter that should be researched and are unlikely to be floating around in someone's head.
Also this varies depending on the job as a more specialized job position will expect more specialized knowledge. This also requires a jump in pay to make up for the increased expertise. | null | 0 | 1491270802 | False | 0 | dfsqk8d | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp64j | null | 1493774897 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tech_tuna | null | Disney is just as evil as Monsanto or . . . Oracle.
I've taken my kids to Disneyworld a couple times, highway robbery does not even begin to describe how you pay the fees for the Magic Kingdom. | null | 0 | 1491270817 | False | 0 | dfsqknf | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsdkyi | null | 1493774903 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | Originally all enums were stored as ints but with strongly typed enums introduced in C++11 you can explicitly declare the size of the underlying representation
more info available here:
http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/cpp/article.php/c19083/C-2011-Stronglytyped-Enums.htm | null | 0 | 1491270847 | False | 0 | dfsqlkm | t3_6350ax | null | null | t1_dfs29ov | null | 1493774916 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | psymunn | null | How do you get good schools without taxes? | null | 0 | 1491270857 | False | 0 | dfsqlwb | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs54ku | null | 1493774920 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | faptimussprime | null | In related news companies announce massive layoffs. | null | 0 | 1491270881 | False | 0 | dfsqmlo | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsc5oy | null | 1493774930 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | frequentlywrong | null | Sqlite would be interesting, you would need to compress the db though before sending. Something like lz4. Sqlite is sized in multiples of configured page size | null | 0 | 1491270895 | False | 0 | dfsqn01 | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t1_dfsphh4 | null | 1493774935 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | crash41301 | null | I can't tell you how many programmers I've interviewed that couldn't tell me what an interface is, or any example of why they might use one when programming in an object oriented language. | null | 0 | 1491270916 | False | 0 | dfsqnm9 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsqk8d | null | 1493774943 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | psymunn | null | Our software salaries are garbage thiugh... but it's nice here at least | null | 0 | 1491270928 | False | 0 | dfsqnzz | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsb7wf | null | 1493774949 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | clavalle | null | Software company director, here. Tell me where you live, your experience (what do you know backwards and forwards), and what you've done professionally and I'll tell you about how much you should expect. | null | 0 | 1491270953 | False | 0 | dfsqopw | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsmgsc | null | 1493774959 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Victawr | null | Eh I get paid a decent amount for Toronto and being right out of university. | null | 0 | 1491270964 | False | 0 | dfsqp1b | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsqnzz | null | 1493774964 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mikereads | null | Depends on a ton of factors, but I'd broaden that to 60k - 160k. Really depends on skill level, specification of programming skill set, location, and how hosed the company would be if you left. | null | 0 | 1491270966 | False | 0 | dfsqp3b | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfslvph | null | 1493774964 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | deuteros | null | American computer programmers are already the highest paid in the world. | null | 0 | 1491271008 | False | 0 | dfsqqe5 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfs2aew | null | 1493774982 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | nazihatinchimp | null | As a computer programmer, I'll try to get over this. Seriously, these companies have been gaming the system for years. | null | 0 | 1491271044 | False | 0 | dfsqrk6 | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfry385 | null | 1493774997 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | yawaramin | null | Article is about SQLite, but the points apply equally well to other 'library' databases like H2, HSQLDB, etc. Have a complex data structure? Need an application cache? No worries, just spin up a tiny SQL database in memory or on disk and let SQLite etc. manage data caching, optimal processing planning, schemata, integrity, ... sure, you have to put some thought into your data design, integrity, queries; but that in itself makes a lot of sense if you think about it. | null | 0 | 1491271075 | False | 0 | dfsqsic | t3_63adw4 | null | null | t3_63adw4 | null | 1493775011 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491271098 | 1491303145 | 0 | dfsqt6s | t3_637m7q | null | null | t3_637m7q | null | 1493775020 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mikebritton | null | I admit there may be a big picture I'm not seeing. All I can do is share my experience, and keep moving forward without becoming embittered.
If IT requires cultural sensitivity training to keep people on the same moral and ethical playing field, it becomes much less appealing to continue without imparting some kind of change. | null | 0 | 1491271106 | False | 0 | dfsqtgc | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsop1j | null | 1493775023 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | faptimussprime | null | Most software devs are only specialists in one form of software. The vast majority are webdev or devops. That's where most of the work is for most companies. The super technical fields such as ML or data science are very limited in numbers. A lot of people don't know how easy it is to start as a webdev engineer for most companies. I've seen engineers who started coding a year or two ago and work as software devs making six figures. They're not shit developer as well. They're good but still learning. | null | 0 | 1491271149 | False | 0 | dfsqurj | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp8ku | null | 1493775041 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | aclogar | null | I work with a lot of H1B people and while they may be smart it is really hard to get them think outside the box. I don't see real difference in the effectiveness of them vs American citizens when first entering the field. Many of the H1B workers also have master's degrees upon entering the US workforce. | null | 0 | 1491271159 | False | 0 | dfsqv1m | t3_637m7q | null | null | t1_dfsp64j | null | 1493775046 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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