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TheNewOP
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Mostly true, a thing that the video doesn't mention is that the largest companies agreed to not poach employees. I.e. stopping their recruiters from reaching out to SWEs at other companies. This is pretty anti-competitive and by extension, also lowers the pay at these companies/the overall pay of SWEs in the Bay Area. There were 7 companies that joined this agreement, so not all companies are privy to this, but I think that the agreement would've expanded in recent years.
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I mean, ever heard of a small project called google earth/maps? [https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-museum/experience-the-collection/text-version/stories/cias-impact-on-technology.html](https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-museum/experience-the-collection/text-version/stories/cias-impact-on-technology.html)
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percykins
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> That makes it easy to contribute to a tax-advantaged retirement account Unless you're getting a 401(k) through work (which almost all software companies offer), it actually makes it *quite difficult* to contribute to a tax-advantaged account - if you make over $137K, you can't contribute *at all* to Roth IRAs and you can't deduct contributions to IRAs (that actually phases out at $73K). Just another way self-employed people get screwed. :)
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NGA yes, they're far bigger.
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Galt42
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I absolutely love this channel, if y'all haven't seen some of his other stuff he's hilarious (to my mind, anyway).
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Cilph
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"The author can; you can't."
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cwblon
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🤣🤣🤣
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stupodwebsote
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Clearly nobody this sub cares about has ever experienced synaesthesia, dyslexia, or poor eyesight The irony.
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Eirenarch
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> what does "getting paid more" have to do with mandatory holidays? Paid holiday is an expense. If the company includes it in the package it must shave the salary a bit. If it doesn't need to include paid holidays then it can bump up the pay a little. Same with all other benefits. > I would go further in arguing that having some additional holidays would actually improve life quality and therefor performance of the staff. Sure but if it is good why must the government mandate it. Can't I choose to go on an upaid holiday instead and compensate from my hire pay as I see fit. And if not taking a holiday damages my productivity then the company certainly can instate a policy without the government interfering. I am not arguing against holiday (hell I work 4 days a week) I just don't think there should be a law about it.
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Cilph
t2_6fuv7
The amount of both specialized and general programming knowledge you need to write an efficient compiler is so up there, by that point you will have realised why Rust is a much better language. Knuth tried explaining it to us with a series of books and he still hasn't finish the prequel series of requisite knowledge 🤣. The Art of Computer Programming. Good books.
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BradCOnReddit
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Easy fix. Say "no" and move on.
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TheDejectedEntourage
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An absolutely absurd comparison to draw. Your absolutism is all over this thread like a rash, you clearly need to learn how to apply nuance to your reasoning. Not all code HAS to be brilliantly memory performant - it is easily possible to write perfectly satisfactory code without understanding the intricacies of memory hierarchies and their workings.
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aguycalledmax
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yeh as a standard country-wide and not just in this dream job scenario
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xcycl
t2_2pb04759
For a basic CS example: A queue made of two stacks is a quotient as you don’t distinguish different internal states but only the content. You are probably using it if you use view patterns. It is just not used explicitly with an equivalence relation.
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didibus
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Yup, this video seems pretty accurate to me. US tech businesses make the most money, and receive the most investment. So they can pay more. There are soo many of them that employees are actually scarce. So the salaries are much higher. Also, while the cost of living does go along with the increased salaries. When you retire, if you move to a low cost of living place, your savings are going to go way further. But you're not a doctor. Your talent only commands those salaries in specific contexts, so take it while it lasts.
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lazic_
t2_kfkni
> For example, if your alternative to Go would be a dynamically typed language (such as Python) then you have no right to complain about lack of generics because dynamically typed languages don't support them either Because dynamic languages are dynamic. You mostly don't care about type. And then, you contradict yourself: > Static typing with structs as value types How can you say you're dealing with a static typing if you're "monkeypatching" lack of generics with `interface{}`. From my PoV, it seems like people roll their eyes when someone mentions generics in Go and not even understanding their benefit.
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ecdrdt5
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welkam
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>I'm talking about Hashmaps You found a bug in my brain. I hate it when I read something but my brain fcuks up and inserts different meaning to sentences. Anyway Not everything has to be in Standard library. I like Rust\`s approach better than D\`s when it comes to std. Std should contain only basic common things and everything else should comes from community. When things get added to std they stop improving as you yourself saw with containers and usually there are better implementation available in the wild. If you said that Rust doesnt have csv parser people would be correct in pointed out that its available trough cargo. Same applies here. No GC container absence in std should not be a problem when they are available through dub. Especially containers where there are so many implementations for specific use cases. No GC exceptions are the real problem in writing D code without GC > Yes the ranges came first, and the data structures were built around them Thats wrong. The point of range API is that it doesnt care about underlying implementation. Ranges are a way of abstracting iteration. Here is first article on ranges where it talks about iteration. [On Iteration](http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1407357) You dont have to read it but it to show that ranges from beginning were about iteration and dont care about data structures. Removing sequence of data from one item and adding to another is not iteration and range api doesn't impede such actions. > I didn't find your comments condescending i did
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osmarks
t2_9edrv8c
It is *not* consistent. Stuff like `make`/`new` are weird special cases. `iota` for some stupid reason. There are generics but only for a few types. For some stupid reason channels get built-in syntax which no other type can use. EDIT: Oh, also, multiple return values, but not actual tuples you can pass around.
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Eirenarch
t2_46hjd
Yeah but if you have large enough office you can have products that are separate enough so distance doesn't matter. I mean why does the Swift team need to be in the same area where they design the iPhone hardware. What do they need to say to each other on a daily basis?
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osmarks
t2_9edrv8c
You can work with something else. It's just unfortunate that such a terrible tool is so widely used.
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ecdrh7o
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zardeh
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My point here is that the same companies that offer the exceedingly high salaries in the US are also often the ones with really good benefits that meet those you'll encounter in Europe.
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sztomi
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I agree, podcast ads are obnoxiously long and a subscription model would be great. Sadly, as long as the average listener expects content to be free, ads remain a necessity.
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chewyfruitloop
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I’m in Manchester and I think we are currently looking at about .75:1 developer to job ratio... we had a guy with 1 year experience earning 5% less than me with almost 20 years in industry. We just took a guy on with similar experience but on more than me ...thankfully I just got a promotion on Monday so it’s no longer the case
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osmarks
t2_9edrv8c
I think Rust satisfies 1, 2 and 3, and 4 is available in libraries and not built-in, which is better as it allows you to have multiple different implementations, or even to not use them and use async or something. Anyway, I honestly prefer Python-ish dynamic typing (where at least - unlike JS - stuff won't be randomly typeconverted) to an utterly broken type system like Go's, since you can at least define stuff like `map` and tree structures which work on *more than one data type*.
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lovestheasianladies
t2_13tenn
You forget that Europe doesn't have the same issues with needing shitloads of money for retirement. Their taxes are actually useful.
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ebgdy08
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dpash
t2_5bdkm
After my experience of Java pre-generics I'm not looking at Go until it gets them too. Rust more interesting to me for that reason alone.
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markschw
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Well, most interfaces out there don't give you any performance guarantees. And yet no one expects Word or Chrome to take a month to load. I guess your point of view is valid, but it doesn't seem very useful to me - if some software takes a month to load then for all practical purposes that software is useless. My (and. I believe, Joel's) point is that sometimes you can afford not to care about the implementation of an abstraction you're using, and sometimes you can't. I agree that the term "leaky abstraction" is not particularly appropriate. However, it kind of stuck ever since Joel's blog post...
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ShinyHappyREM
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[<3](https://youtu.be/x_VgEGwvl7Q)
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aguycalledmax
t2_a5edt
England is getting a few american companies setting up shop here in London due to language and cultural similarities. Our wages are still shite when compared to silicon valley engineers though.
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dpash
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Branch coverage would not detect the bug in var foo = 1 / bar;
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ecdruki
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bbeony540
t2_59am0
Seriously, 0% of my job is really dependent on being in the same building as my team. I understand managers want to micromanage their employees and make sure they aren't jacking off but I wish they would just let people work from home. If they aren't getting shit done, fire them and hire someone else who does get shit done. I am 2-3x as productive when I can lock myself in my office, zone in and crank shit out. Now that everyone and their mother has bought into open offices it's so hard to get in the zone while someone prattles on about some dumb shit right next to me.
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wikwikwik
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I'm not sure what's worse - trolls or censorship. At least trolls can be entertaining.
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ecdrygv
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Obie-two
t2_sci64
I'm a US Software dev who doesn't have to work until Jan 10th. I also took multiple vacations already this year. With full healthcare, 7.75 hour working days, 5 days a week, the ability to work from home whenever I need to. Hell, we even get more vacation for our volunteer hours and for donating blood. The other Tech Leads and I are free to take whatever time we want as long as one of us(or more) is always available.
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vansterdam_city
t2_6udzb
I don’t really think Go is built with a monolithic language framework in mind. In a large org serving online traffic, there are usually multiple languages in play. The interfaces are over HTTP or at least TCP. In that world, all the work of a core team doesn’t matter if three other teams decide to use different language runtimes. Go is ridiculously easy to adapt to any HTTP or TCP API from scratch. The net code is solid in the standard library and makes writing services simpler than most other languages.
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AlyoshaV
t2_4ld5a
>This is a set of settings that aim to remove all the server links embedded in Firefox and other calling home functions in the purpose of blocking un-needed connections. The objective is zero unauthorized connection (ping/telemetry/Mozilla/Google...). So the malicious domain list is never updated?
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PUPcsgo
t2_16zcof
>1 developer to job ratio... we had a guy with 1 year experience earning 5% less than me with almost 20 years in industry. We just took a guy on with similar experience but on more than me ...thankfully I just got a promotion on Monday so it’s no longer the case Don't forget Belfast and Edinburgh :>
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I thought Go was very easy to get into and use. (and honestly being easy to start and to use is all that really matters to me) I think most of that blog is hating the Rob guy which I can see why... he's pretty easy to hate honestly, pretty backwards ideas. I just use text editors for everything that highlight everything so it doesn't matter to me. ​
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Eirenarch
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Well are you paying US level salaries (or rather same expenses per employee since you have to account for taxes and such)? My guess is you don't, actually it will be insane if you did but you probably haven't found the proper level.
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jcelerier
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my info was a bit out of date, but even on the steam hardware survey, only 87% of users (which are mostly gamers so likely to have "better" hardware) have AVX1 support : https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey which is already entirely in "can't use" territory ; AVX2 isn't even on the radar.
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sisyphus
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This is good but unless you're going to hire everyone this is not representative of working programmers in the US.
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Lol rip that OS if anyone ever wrote even a half working malware
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ImprobableIT
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Honestly, it's not enough for some developers. Developers should be payed like baseball players. If one guy is more valuable than the next 20, he should be paid 20x. Even if it's in the millions.
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znudzony_programista
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It's funny that I like Go for the very same reasons you don't like it. I do agree that packages needs versioning. I think it has more to do with laziness than anything else. Now they don't need to provide package manager and repositories like Node with NPM or PHP with Composer etc. You can just link repo. Dev f up and there is a problem with recent commit? Not our problem? It is really our problem. Also over the years I use less and less go routines. They are poorly implemented. If you need to do something other than very basic threading you really are better off not using it. And it's one of the core features they sell with this language. Will there be ever language to replace pure C?
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jacobb11
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> if you make over $137K, you can't contribute at all to Roth IRAs and you can't deduct contributions to IRAs You can contribute to a non-deductible IRA and convert the contribution to a ROTH IRA. There are some complications, but it's pretty common around me.
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F-0X
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Imo Go is *so close* to being a good language. But the things is does badly really put me off. *Especially* the inability to explicitly declare that a struct implements an interface. Scouring for a reason behind this ridiculous choice, it turns out they wanted programmers to be able to have interfaces which can include structs they have no access to change. This has literally never been a problem I've faced.
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pdp10
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If I understand the [Canon Cat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat) properly, Raskin's idea was just that. Just typing. That machine had no mouse. And on the subject of mice, Raskin, and Apple, it was a huge regression for Apple to take Engelbart's and the Alto's three-button mouse and simplify it to one button in the Lisa and the Mac. We know that was partially for cost reasons, especially in the Mac, but Apple and Jobs were really stubborn about that. On X11 we always had three buttons, and as simple as it was, it was one small reason (among many) why workstations were dramatically more powerful than micros until the close of the century.
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bartturner
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Could not disagree more. Really like Go and it is super easy to pick up.
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ntrid
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As many i also dislike Go. I have little experience with Go and i am thankful for that. Once i found out that in go code one uses hosting provider url when importing dependency modules or that i can not write \`{\` on new line i drew a line right there. Bright minds that came up with this nonsense have plenty more of that it seems. Thanks but no thanks. This language is just another little-good fadware. Edit: I was spotted by fanboys.
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Saturnix
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Public colleges are free in Italy and most Europe. As in, you'd still need to pay a tax relative to your income bracket (though many people cheat on that) and books, accomodation, etc... but nothing compared to the USA. No one here does debt to go study and public education quality is on-par with private in many sectors, if not better.
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zitrusgrape
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what should be a nice language than golang, that has the same or all most same features?
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chrisgseaton
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Isn't the W3C headquartered in Nice? Can't be that much of a technology cold spot!
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v3rminator
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allegedly nice project though.
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michaelochurch
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No, he's pretty spot-on. The US is a decent place to work if you have a really good manager who protects you from the general awfulness of American work culture. If you have the standard self-serving manager who only gives a shit about being a higher-ranking manager in 3 years, you're unlikely to be able to take your 15+ days of vacation. Also, the US software career is pretty short. We make about 1.75 times as much (not 5x) but you're also expected to move into management within 10 years... especially because of this infantile project management nonsense ("Scrum") that you simply can't tolerate if you're an actual adult. So, it's higher pay but it's still a low-status job; it's just a shorter career.
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cb9022
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I don't think Eelco Dolstra is a programming language theorist. One of the main complaints about nix is that the language is untyped, which seems like something a programming language theorist wouldn't have done.
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Kerfulfel
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oh, first a straw man now a slippery slope. What's next?
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Eirenarch
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So you think the lack of syntax highlighting has helped the company stay afloat?
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bobcrotch
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It's definitely changed a lot in the last decade or so. Back in the late 90s/early 200s it was still extremely common to have either 1 week vaction + 1 week sick time until you had at least a couple of years with the company. Now it's _much_ different because of various reasons, but it used to be (and still kind of is) a meme that non-american countries are lazy because they don't work enough. It is still very common to have workplace cultures of taking time off as being bad, or negative, while the official company word is that you need to take your time off. Of course this all really changes depending on the individual company and the official laws and company policies are the "official" word.
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hasen-judy
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I understand their benefit and would prefer if Go had them. They're just not that much of a deal breaker.
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jollybrick
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I mean you can't list healthcare and insurance as two separate things, they're pretty intertwined. Your out of pocket expenses are largely driven by your insurance plan. But to give you an example, I pay no premiums for a $25 copay plan with a $150 deductible through my US company. For an offer I had in the Netherlands, I would have a $100/month premium for a $250 deductible. That's a downgrade.
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Eirenarch
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> For example, if your alternative to Go would be a dynamically typed language (such as Python) then you have no right to complain about lack of generics because dynamically typed languages don't support them either; Think about this statement for a second to understand why it doesn't make any sense.
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oblio-
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To give you an example from a country which is way worse off than the US, the maternity leave in Romania is up to 2 years with 85% of your net income (there are is a cap but it's 3x the average salary, you'll still live very well). For every company and every position, not just "fuck you, got mine" companies.
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banana_hoarder
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I'm a huge fan of Terry. I'm not fan of his bigoted statements he would sometimes make, but I've been following him for years. His OS is amazing. People don't understand it, but I think I understand what he was doing. I don't care if people think his OS was a confusing mess. It wasn't confusing to me. I saw it as a work of art. Programming doesn't have to be about the perfect design or using every design pattern or using "correct" object-oriented interfaces and properly encapsulating data. It's about the algorithms and the machine code. It's about making the machine do something nobody made it do before. It's about making something *just because* and making something nobody told you to make. About his mental illness: I understand part of what he was going through. When you don't always know what's real, people will not understand your reasoning, behavior, or decisions. They aren't perceiving what you're perceiving. They have no possible way to know that within *your* perception, your actions are rational. It's only outside of that perception when those actions are irrational. Terry was an artist and his OS was a self-portrait. If you look at what he created, you will see with his eyes, what he experienced, and how he thought. His work is a 1000 reflections from a jumble of broken shards of mirrors. If you want to know how his mind worked, the software shows you. To know him is to know his creation. I think he was trying to re-capture his youth when his mind was more orderly and his perception made sense. He built his OS, because he was reliving all the days and nights he spend on his 8-bit computer. That's when reality was understandable. In the terms of mental sanity, he was chasing the dragon. I may be trite, but I think the way he felt about those days using classic computers is the way the character Halliday felt about his time as a child with his Atari in *Ready Player One.* (And for how he made a living, I recall a thread in which Terry said he was on disability.)
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heterosapian
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Lol... a high COL area your living expenses are a lot more than 40k a year. That’s definitely living frugally in SF, NYC, Boston, etc
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hasen-judy
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My biggest problem when programming in python is I can't easily model data without lots of hidden assumptions not verified by the compiler. With type annotations and data classes in 3.7, this is less of a problem now, but what I want to emphasize is, when I'm doing web development, this is the thing I'm doing most of the time. I just can't take seriously a language that does not support the notion of a struct as a value type. Generics is one thing I prefer to have but is lower priority.
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hpp3
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It's mainly due to competition. There are a ton of big software companies eager for more talent in SV, so all of those companies have to pay more or the locals will just go to a competitor. Combine that with the effect of brain drain leading people all over the world to relocate to SV for jobs (so the average talent is higher in SV than elsewhere), and that's why the average salaries are much higher.
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Too much splitting in firefox. IceCat & PaleMoon already do this. Firefox is already rapidly dying and Microsoft just adopted chromium engine. There's wayyyyyy too much splitting in firefox!
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isitsweaterweather
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Coming from Xcode, it felt foreign for methods to not autocomplete with open parentheses with parameter options in place (meaning you can simply start tying to input parameters.) Fortunately you can configure VSCode's settings to do this! "typescript.suggest.completeFunctionCalls": true, "javascript.suggest.completeFunctionCalls": true _(In the gif, I'm pressing 'a' to bring up autocomplete, Enter to autocomplete, Tab to input x, Tab to input y)_
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oridb
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[wat.](https://www.jetbrains.com/go/features/screenshots/go_completion_1.png)
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bluescrn
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All going great... then you get made redundant, get ill, and are bankrupted by the healthcare system... That's how 'The American dream' looks to outsiders these days
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QuickShort
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As a dev in London I was being offered around £90k (Oxbridge CS degree, 8 years experience since graduation). This was avoiding companies where I didn't agree with their politics, so no gambling, no hedge funds, no Facebook, etc. I switched to contracting and now charge £650 a day, and still have the same selection criteria, assuming working 210 days a year after removing holiday, sick days, that's a \~50% pay increase. Of course I don't work that much because I don't need to, but surely that's even better as now I can take solid chunks of time out to upskill, travel, do personal projects, or just play through games on my backlog. Would definitely recommend contracting, and if anyone reading this wants advice on how to do it, please go ahead and ask here or PM me. (And yeah that's still nothing compared to what I'd make in the valley but I don't think I could ever be convinced to leave London)
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VernorVinge93
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Actually pretty nice, but the config language is the worst imo
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tulipoika
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Analogies are hard. And this is very convoluted. I didn’t think memory leak as a concept was that difficult to understand.
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iindigo
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This is true, but the upper end of what a software engineer can make in the Valley is high enough to be well beyond the point of making up for cost of living differences, and if you’re good at what you do – especially if you specialize in a niche (deep knowledge of a single platform) instead of mass appeal (“full stack”/web front end/mobile generalist) – you can jump past the midpoint and move towards the top surprisingly quickly. And of course, here if I get tired of working for one company I can just walk straight into a similar position at another company without any trouble, which isn’t as easy in other places, even in some other tech hubs. Cheaper CoL areas net more immediate benefit but have lower overall potential in the long term.
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mark
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pdp10
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Every year or two I read up on the new developments in HCI, academic and otherwise. And perhaps I'm being curmudgeonly, but I've been disappointed most years because everything has been about simplification, touchscreens, reduced-scope machines (*e.g.*, mobile) , and using ML/AI to guess what the user wants to do, instead of *augmentation* of the interface between humans and full-powered machines. The guessing part has troubled me the most. Any machine that tries to guess what the user *intends* is a machine that won't reliably do what it's told to do. Users then think of the machines as unreliable, troublesome, complicated, because they have to guess how the machine will interpret their input. In trying to simplify HCI, it's not uncommon to have made it more complicated, more confusing. This isn't just confined to computer interfaces by any means.
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ebgesiu
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GinjaNinja32
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It's useful in a few places in the stdlib, and I've hit it in "real" code too. If you just want a simple assertion that `*Foo` implements the interface `Bar`, then either of the following will do that: var _ Bar = &Foo{} var _ Bar = (*Foo)(nil)
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ecduevo
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Osmanthus
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Beautiful. Simple and clear. /r/programming needs more of this!
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ebgeuor
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johnothecoder
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Honestly, when I used a couple of brand names, the analogy took sub 1 minute to give, and it made it make sense for the person who I was talking to, who has limited programming experience. ​ Like all concepts, it's easy to understand if you know what it is, and everyone has a different experience of which concepts are easy/difficult to understand. ​ As it helped one person, I thought it might help others, which is the only reason I wrote it up :)
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ecdughp
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CuttingEdgeRetro
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George Carlin was right. The reason they call it the American Dream, is because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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combinatorylogic
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In order to decide if it is safe to ignore performance issues you must be fully aware of what kinds of issues exist.
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ecdui74
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GeneticsGuy
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I mean, you don't need to entirely fund your retirement as we have social security, though probably not enough for most. I actually prefer the mobility in the US job market by being attached to your 401k rather than a pension. Pension is nice and all, but you have to stick around. You don't have the freedom to move to the next company. You have to put in your X number of years, usually 20, to get it and in the meantime everyone is afraid to jump jobs because your pension counter resets back down to year 1. It also helps the US be one of the most competitive markets to work where salaries are so competitive because they know people are more willing to jump ship, so they will pay more to lure them, or pay you more to keep you, if you are willing to negotiate for it.
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hashb1
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it will save a lot time
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ecduiun
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fijiproggit
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The term unlimited is misleading. To me true unlimited vacation means I could just perpetually be on vacation for the next 30 years collecting a paycheck. It’s not really unlimited, just has no strict limits.
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icantthinkofone
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What does syntax highlighting have to do with **any** language?!
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ecdukuf
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ImAiRiKe
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Some companies actually treat their employees like human beings intead of thinking in numbers
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ebgexpj
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skin_diver
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Shoot once we get that, then we can just tell skynet what to bomb and just let it do its thing
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ecduqys
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againstmethod
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Thats only in big cities like NYC or San Fran. If we compare places like London or Paris it would be just as expensive to live.
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Eirenarch
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Read the article?
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ecdurn2
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valenterry
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>I guess your point of view is valid, but it doesn't seem very useful to me - if some software takes a month to load then for all practical purposes that software is useless. That's true of course, but one can't use non-guaranteed-performance to make the claim that all abstractions are leaky. That's just not true or badly worded. I'm not a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure that's not what leaky is supposed to mean. > My (and. I believe, Joel's) point is that sometimes you can afford not to care about the implementation of an abstraction you're using, and sometimes you can't. If that's his point, I interpreted his artcle wrongly. He underlines "**All non-trivial abstractions, to some degree, are leaky.**" and I disagree with that claim, except he has a useless defition of "non-trivial" that refers to the leakyness again, making a circle argument. With your point on the other hand I can agree. So, in essence... > I agree that the term "leaky abstraction" is not particularly appropriate. However, it kind of stuck ever since Joel's blog post... I have not given up and I deny to use that word wrongly just because Joel did not take care when choosing it! It hurts my eyes. ;)
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Eirenarch
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Read the article?
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ecdus24
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GinjaNinja32
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>hosting provider url when importing dependency modules How else should this work? Go has no central package repository - not everyone is going to host their code on GitHub. >i can not write \`{\` on new line This is due to `gofmt` - some people don't like the *style* `gofmt` uses, sure, but it means there's a consistent style across all Go code, with no arcane formatting requirements for specific projects etc etc etc.
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