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A | Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. Today, my guest is doctor Lex Friedman. Doctor Lex Friedman is an expert in electrical and computer engineer... |
B | It's good to be back in a bedroom. This feels like a porn set. I apologize to open that way. I've never been in a porn set, so I should admit this. |
A | Our studio is being renovated. So here we are for the monumental recording of episode 100, episode 100 of the Heberman Lab podcast, which was inspired by the Lex Friedman podcast. Some people already know this story, but I'll repeat it again for those that don't. There would not be a Huberman Lab podcast were it not fo... |
B | Yeah, well, you surprised. Surprised me, surprised the world that you're able to talk for hours and cite some of the best science going on and be able to give people advice without many interruptions or edits or any of that. I mean, that takes an incredible amount of skill that you're probably born with, and some of it... |
A | Well, I'm very gratified to hear this. It's a little uncomfortable for me to hear. But listen, I'm just really happy if people are getting information that they like and can make actionable. And it was inspired by you. And look right back at you. I've followed a number of your structural formats. Attire, I don't wear a... |
B | Episode 100. How does it feel? You know, I imagine you're here. You're here after so many episodes and done so much. I mean, the number of hours is just insane. The amount of passion, the amount of work you put into this. What's it feel like? |
A | It feels great. And it feels very much like the horizon is still at the same distance in front of me. You know, every episode, I just try and get information there. And the process we talked about on your podcast, we won't go into it of collecting information, distilling it down to some simple notes, walking around, li... |
B | I think there's a lot to say. But first, it is really good to be back. One of the things that when you go to a difficult part of the world, or a part of the world that's going through something difficult, you really appreciate how great it is to be an american. Everything, the easy access to food, despite what people t... |
A | Yeah. Didn't even think about that until you said just now. But photographs, hard drives get destroyed or just abandoned. Right. Libraries. I mean, nowadays things exist in the cloud, but there are still a lot of material goods that have, you know, are irreplaceable. Right. |
B | Well, even, you know, in rural parts of the United States, they don't exist in the cloud. Right. A lot of people still. Well, even in towns, they still love the physical photo album of your family. A lot of people still store their photographs of families in the store, the vhs tapes and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Bu... |
A | Is it emotionally struggling? |
B | Yeah. |
A | Emotional struggle is extremely difficult. |
B | So I talk to a lot of politicians, the number two in the country, number three, I'll be back there to talk to the president, to do a three hour conversation. Those are easy to edit. You know, they're really heartfelt and thoughtful folks from different perspectives on the geopolitics of the war. But the ones that are r... |
A | Like, we'll just coast. |
B | Yeah. Yeah. Pandemic and back to normal. |
A | Back to normal, whatever that is. |
B | But you have to remember at the end of World War one, you know, as Woodrow Wilson called it, the war to end all wars. Nobody, ironically, in a dark way, it was also the roaring twenties when people believed this, there will never be another world war. And 20 years after that, the rise of Nazi Germany, a charismatic lea... |
A | It's super intense. Those are the only words that come to mind as I hear this. You mentioned something that it seems that hate generalizes. You know, it's against an entire group or an entire country. Why do you think it is that hate generalizes and that love may or may not generalize? |
B | I've had so one of the, as you can imagine, the kind of question I asked is, do you have love or hate in your heart? It's a question I asked almost everybody. And then I would dig into this exact question that you're asking. I think some of the most beautiful things I've heard, which is people that are full of hate. Ar... |
A | And because of the generalization you talked about earlier, that could even include all Russian. They mean all Russians. |
B | Because. Because if you do nothing, that's as bad or worse than being part of the army that invades. So the people that are just sitting there, the good Germans, the people that are just quietly going on with their lives, you're just as bad, if not worse, is their perspective. |
A | Earlier, you said that going over to the Ukraine has now allowed you to realize just so many of the positives of being here in the United States. I have a good friend. We both know him. I won't name him by name, but we've communicated, the three of us, from tier one special operations. He spent years doing deployments.... |
B | So there's two modes. One of them, I spent a lot of time in Kiev, which is much safer than it may be obvious to state, but for people who don't know, it's in the middle of the country, and it's much safer than the actual front, where the battle is happening. So much, much safer than Kiev, even is lviv, which is the wes... |
A | This is terrible for the circadian system. |
B | Yeah, that's exactly how it was. This. How can I do this? Where's my element? And the flood of greens. How can I function? No, I think it was balanced by the deep appreciation of being alive. |
A | Right. No, I mean, this is the reason I ask. This is the reason I ask is, you know, we get used to all these creature comforts and we don't need them, but we often come to depend on them in a way that makes us feel like we need them. |
B | Yeah. But very quickly, there's something about the intensity of life that you see in people's eyes. Cause they're living through war that makes you forget all those creature comforts. And it was actually, you know, I'm somebody who hates traveling and so on. I love the creature habits. I love. I love the comfort of th... |
A | Oh, yeah, great Tim Kennedy. |
B | The great Tim Kennedy, who also him and many others revealed to me, one of the many reasons I'm proud to be an american is how trained and skilled and effective american soldiers are. |
A | I guess for listeners to this podcast, maybe we should familiarize them with who Tim Kennedy is, because I realize that a number of them will know. |
B | How do you do that? How do you try to summarize a man? |
A | Right. We can be accurate but not exhaustive, as any good data are accurate but not exhaustive. Very skilled and accomplished MMA fighter. Very skilled and accomplished. Special, former special operations. And we're american patriot and podcaster, too. Right? Does he have his own podcast? |
B | Maybe. |
A | Okay, maybe. We know Andy Stumpf has his own podcast. |
B | Yes. Yeah. Amazing podcast. Yeah. Which is great. |
A | Yeah. Clearing hot podcasts with Andy stumps. |
B | But also Tim Kennedy's like the embodiment of America to the. To the most beautiful and the most ridiculous degree. So he's like, would you imagine, what is it, team America, that, like, I just imagine him like, shirtless on a tank, rolling into enemy territory, just screaming at the top of his lungs. That's just his p... |
A | That's it. He actually. He actually does the work, as they say. |
B | So this is the thing. He really embodies that. Now, some of that is just his personality and humor. I'd like to sort of comment on the humor of things, not just with him. It's very, one other interesting thing I've learned, but also when he's actually helping people, he's extremely good at what he does, which is buildi... |
A | You mentioned the fact that people still enjoy food or the pleasure of cooking, or there's occasional humor, or maybe frequent humor. Jocko Willink has talked about this in warfare, and that all the elements of the human spirit and condition still emerge at various times. I find this amazing, and you and I have had con... |
B | It depends on this podcast release, but it felt like I've never left. So practically speaking, a couple months. |
A | Okay. Yeah. And we won't be shy. We're recording this mid September. |
B | So we actually recorded this several years ago. So we're anticipating the future. |
A | This is where we're gonna start talking. This is a simulation, you and Joe. I'm still trying to figure out what that actually means. I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge one of our sponsors, athletic greens. Athletic greens, now called ag one, is a vitamin mineral probiotic drink that covers all of your found... |
B | I feel like Tim Kennedy gets you into will take it because he really loves going to the most dangerous places and helping people. So I think he'd get me into more trouble than it's worth. And I should mention that. I mean, there's many reasons I went, but it's definitely not something I take lightly or want to do again... |
A | Well, you should definitely reproduce at some point. Maybe before next time, you should just freeze some sperm. Really? |
B | Is that what you do with the ice bath? Is that how that works? |
A | You know, it's interesting. There's always an opportunity to do some science protocols. There are products on the Internet, and there are actually a few decent manuscripts looking at how cold exposure can increase testosterone levels. But it doesn't happen by the cold directly. Good scientists, as the authors of those ... |
B | I've not done that. |
A | As a Russian, you probably consider that a hot tub. |
B | Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a nice thing to have fun with every once in a while to warm up. No, I haven't done that. I've been kind of waiting to maybe do it together with you at some point. |
A | Great. It'll be straightforward for you. I always say that adrenaline comes in waves, and so if you just think about it, walls, like you're going through a number of walls of adrenaline, as opposed to going for time, becomes rather trivial. With your jiu jitsu background and whatnot, you'll immediately recognize the ph... |
B | And you've seen Joe's. So Joe set up a really nice man cave, or it's not even a cave because it's so big. It's like a network of man caves, but it has ice bath and a sauna next to each other. |
A | We have one of those here, ice bath and sauna. So we'll have to get you in it. When? One of these days. Maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. No. Although there is a. I don't know, the underlying physiological basis, but there does seem to be a trend toward truth telling in the sauna. Some people refer to them as truth barrel... |
B | I have a complicated relationship with saunas because of all the weight cutting. |
A | Oh. |
B | And some of the deepest sufferings started to interrupt. I've done was in the sauna. That's very. It's. I mean, I've gone to some dark places in the sauna because I wrestled my whole life. Judo, jiu jitsu. And those weight cuts can really test the mind. So you're truth telling? Yeah, it's a certain kind of truth tellin... |
A | And to talk about visual aperture you're in a small box. So it also inspires some claustrophobia, even if you're not claustrophobic. That's absolutely true. And the desire to just get out of the thing is where you get a pretty serious adrenaline surge from. From in the sauna as well. It, um, now the sauna actually will... |
B | As you age, don't sperm get wiser or. No, there's no science to back that. |
A | No, but men can conceive healthy children at a considerable age. But in any case. But no, they don't get wiser. What happens is interesting age. Well, it's a little bit like the maturation of the brain in the sense that some of the sperm get much better at swimming and then many of them get less. Good motility is a str... |
B | This is probably a good time to announce that I'm selling my sperm as an nfts. Let's see how much that. |
A | Oh, my goodness. |
B | Riding the. |
A | Well, your children, your future children and my future children are supposed to do jiu jitsu together, since I've only done the one jiu jitsu class. So I'm strongly vested in you having children. Yes, but only in the friendly kind of way. |
B | Well, yes, friendly competition kind of way. Yeah. Dominance of the clan. Yep, for sure. |
A | So moving on to science, but still with our minds in the Ukraine, did you encounter any scientists or see any universities or, you know, as we know in this country and in Europe and in elsewhere, science takes infrastructure. You need buildings, you need laboratories, you need robots, you need a lot of equipment, and y... |
B | So science goes on. Before the war, Ukraine had a very vibrant tech sector, which means engineering and all that kind of stuff. Kiev has a lot of excellent universities, and they still go on. The biggest hit, I would say, is not the infrastructure of the signs, but the fact because of the high morale, everybody is join... |
A | Early on in the war. |
B | Early on in the war, yeah. So everybody got a gun. They also released a bunch of prisoners from prison because there was no staff to keep the prisons running. And so there's a very interesting psychological experiment of, like, how is this gonna go? Everybody has a gun. Are they gonna start robbing places? Are they goi... |
A | That's a case where love generalized. |
B | Yes. |
A | Or at least hate did not. We don't know if it's love or it's sort of lack of initiative for self, you know, common culture directed hate. |
B | Yeah, I don't. Right. It's. I think that's very correct to say that it wasn't hate that was unifying people. It was love of country, love of community. It's the, probably the same thing that will happen to humans when, like, aliens invade. It's. We're all. It's a, it's the common effort. Everybody puts everything else ... |
A | It is. I had an interesting contrast that I'll share with you because you mentioned Texas. So not so long ago, I was in Austin. I often visit you or others in Austin, as you know, and many doors that I walked past, including a school, said, no firearms past this point, as a sticker on the door. You see this on hospital... |
B | I should mention people know this throughout human history, but the human ability to get assimilated. No. Get used to violence is incredible. So, like, you could be living in a peaceful time, like, we're here now, and there will be one explosion, like a 911 type of situation. That'd be a huge shock. It's terrifying. Ev... |
A | It's all signal to noise. |
B | Nobody has told me except western reporters sitting in the west side of Ukraine. It's really dangerous here. Everyone's like, yeah, you know, it's good. Like, my uncle just died yesterday. Like, he was shot. But it's pretty, you know, it's pretty good. Like, the farm's still running. Like they. How do I put it? They fo... |
A | I grew up in California, and there were a lot of earthquakes. I remember the 89 quake. I remember the embarcadero freeway pancaking on top of people and cars. I remember I moved to southern California. There's a north ridge quake. Wherever I move, there seem to be earthquakes. I never worry about earthquakes, ever. I j... |
B | Well, it's. I'm really glad that you, being on the west coast, know the difference in, like, Boston, New York. I feel like a lot of people think it's like the east coast. |
A | It's very different, especially to Bostonians and New Yorkers. Oh, my goodness. |
B | Yeah, I love it. I get, I gave lectures there in front of an in person crowd. |
A | What were you talking about for the AI? |
B | So different aspects of AI and, you know, robotics, machine learning. Machine learning. So for people who know the artificial intelligence field, they usually don't use the term AI, and people from outside use AI. The biggest breakthroughs in the machine learning field was some discussion of robotics and so on. Yeah, i... |
A | Well, some of your earliest videos on your YouTube channel were of you in the classroom. Right? That's how this all started. |
B | Yeah. Yeah. That's how YouTube, like, putting stuff on YouTube was terrifying. Right. |
A | Well, especially at the time when you did it again. You're a pioneer in that sense. You did that. Jordan Peterson did that. Putting up lectures is. Yeah, I would. I teach still every winter I teach, direct a course, and I'll be doing even more teaching going forward. But the idea of those videos being on the web is. Ye... |
B | Yeah, it's terrifying because you get to. And everybody has a different experience. Like, for me, being a junior research scientist, the, the kind of natural concern is like, who am I? I mean, when I was given this lecture, it's like, I don't deserve any of this. |
A | That's your humility coming through. And I actually think that humility on the part of an instructor is good because those that think that they are entitled and who else could give this lecture, then I worry more. I think it's. I once heard, I don't know if it's still true that the. At Caltech. Right. The greatest of C... |
B | I don't have that problem. So I usually have two guys that somebody speaks up, grab them, drag him out of the room, never see him again. So everybody is really supportive. I don't understand the amount of love and support I get is, especially when. |
A | The last few students are there and everybody seems to be nodding as you're going, no, I think that I'd love to sit in on one of your lectures. I know very little about AI, machine learning, or robotics. |
B | Have you ever talked at MIT? Have you ever given lectures? |
A | Oh, yeah. When I went on the job market as a faculty member, my final two choices were between MIT Pcower, I had an on paper offer, wonderful place. Wonderful place to do neuroscience, and UC San Diego, which is a wonderful neuroscience program. In the end, it made sense for me beyond the west coast for personal reason... |
B | Yeah, there's something about. So I'm also doing, like I said, I'm pretty late last night working for a deadline on a paper. One of the things that I hope to do for hopefully the rest of my life is to continue publishing. And I think it's really important to do that, even if you continue the podcast, because you want t... |
A | How slow and iterative it is. We have two papers right now that are in the revision stage. It's been a very long road. And I was asked this recently because I met with my chairman. He said, do you want to continue run a lab or you're just going to go full time on the podcast? And Stanford has been very supportive of, m... |
B | I mean, you do, especially with the pandemic. And for me, both Twitter and the podcast have made me much more impatient about the slowness of the review process because Twitter will do that. Twitter will do. But even with podcasts, you have a cool. You'll find something cool, and then you have ideas and you'll just say... |
A | We do a post right now about something that we both found interesting, and it's out in the world. Yep. |
B | And you can write up something like, there is a culture in computer science of posting stuff on archives and preprints that don't get in your review. And sometimes they don't even go through the review process ever, because people just start using them. If it's code and it's like, what's the point of this? It works. It... |
A | Well, sorry to interrupt, but just for point of reference, the famous paper describing the double helix, which earned Watson and Crick the Nobel Prize and should have earned Rosalind Franklin Nobel Prize, too, of course. But they got it for the structure of DNA. Of course, that paper was never reviewed at nature. They ... |
B | So, like the editors, it was that. |
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