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Speaker A: Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is David Goggins. David Goggins is a retired Navy SEaL who served in Iraq and Afgha... |
Speaker B: Good to see you again, man. |
Speaker A: Great to see you. It was late 2016, early 2017, I believe, when you were in my lab at Stanford. |
Speaker B: Yes, sir. |
Speaker A: We did a little work later that day down in San Jose. And gosh, see you everywhere. But it's not enough. So great to have you here. |
Speaker B: Thanks for having me on, brother. |
Speaker A: Yeah. You embody discipline and doing hard things, right? You just start right off with. |
Speaker B: Just go there. |
Speaker A: The bold truth. But right before we went hot mics, right, we were talking about learning, right? Right. Now you're spending some time learning and doing things that I think most people probably don't typically associate David Goggins with. |
Speaker B: Right. |
Speaker A: Why don't you tell us about that? |
Speaker B: Well, most people just look at me as the guy that runs and yells as he's running, and that's while I do that, you know, to motivate people. But people don't understand that my day is broken up into segments. I work out, I eat, I sleep, but I spend most of my time studying. So, like, I'm in the medical world.... |
Speaker A: I love the word algorithm because when I teach biology or try and learn anything that's related to biology and especially the human body, I need to know the nouns, but it's the verbs that matter. And that's really what you're talking about. Just saying that sits there, that brain part there doesn't tell you ... |
Speaker B: You know what? I was nervous at first. I'm gonna keep the mother. I'm gonna keep it real. I'm gonna keep it real. So I'm not a real smart guy. And what I mean by that is I was born with Add, Adhd. My brain cannot retain information. I'm not some genetic freak. When it comes to running, when it comes to lifti... |
Speaker A: I love that you're studying. I recall a few years ago, I heard some interview or podcast with you, and you just threw out. Like, I don't know what I'll do next. Maybe I'll be a scientist. And I went, yeah. I was like. Cause I knew. Cause I know you a bit, and I see your work out there. But we'd met before th... |
Speaker B: Exactly. |
Speaker A: And so the process of writing things down by hand is important for you. So you go back and read those notes. Do you think about that stuff on your runs, too? Are you segmenting your day? Like, when you're done studying, are you heading out for a run and thinking about other things, or are you still rehearsin... |
Speaker B: So when I write it down, I write it down, and I'm able to. I'm actually looking down at this table right now because I'm back to writing. So I'm actually there right now as I'm speaking to you, I write it down in a way that I'm memorizing page 69. So I'm writing it down. So then writing it down, and that pag... |
Speaker A: So it seems like you've really trained away or somehow gotten away from the add that you mentioned, because what you described is a deep trench, like a v shaped trench. I'm imagining, like, there's a ball bearing. It's like. And it can only go forward in that trench or back, and it goes forward. It's not lik... |
Speaker B: It's a completely different world. It's just both of them. For me, it's suffering, but suffering a whole different way. Like, when I was going through school, I'll never forget. I think I was in third grade. And back then, you know, add AdHD, wasn't like, you know, here's this medicine, or here's this thing.... |
Speaker A: Sounds like friction is something you're very familiar with. It's a word. Just as I feel like it's like, cast above us right now in bold face, highlighted, underlined letters. |
Speaker B: Friction is gross. |
Speaker A: Friction? |
Speaker B: Yes. |
Speaker A: Like you're up in the morning and I imagine David Goggins going to the coffee maker, stretching out, good morning, sunshine. And you're telling me from eyelids open there's friction? |
Speaker B: Yes. And that is the thing that people don't. They don't fucking get the biggest misunderstanding about David Goggins of all time. It's like whether you believe in God or not, I do. He put this lab rat, which is me, on this planet, and said, let me fucking see what a beat up, abused kid who has, who can bare... |
Speaker A: It has to be experienced. |
Speaker B: It has to be experienced. And you can't even after you experience it, to write it in a book, it would seem like it needs to be locked up. |
Speaker A: Too gory. |
Speaker B: It's too gory. It doesn't make sense for a guy that everything, every second of the day, he is trying to extract more from something. He's constantly thinking. He's constantly, constantly disciplined, never going off the path. Whatever is injured on him, he figures away. It's a conqueror's mindset. And very ... |
Speaker A: So, yeah, I get asked that sometimes when you, for fun, I start listening off all the stuff like podcasting, reading, working out, but. So some of that resonates. But I think what's so truly unusual about what you're describing, your process, is that, you know, from go, it's hard. And I have to ask, was bein... |
Speaker B: I don't know if they were necessary, but it was something that made me feel. I didn't feel good. It was easy. The brain that I was given as a child, it was easy to go home and think about what? How do I want to be a freak today? How do I want to show up to school today and be a freak? It didn't require me go... |
Speaker A: So, anyway, I'm not a psychologist, but knowing your story, from what you've written, what you've said on social media and elsewhere, podcasts, and here now especially, it's amazing to me, and frankly, it pulls at my heartstrings a little bit. I realize that's not what you're trying to do, but that in the co... |
Speaker B: Right? |
Speaker A: Is that about right? |
Speaker B: That is right. But I had developed a lot of anger, and I still have it, and it would never go away for the normal human beings of this world. Because when you put yourself in the sewer like I was in, and please, if someone saved me, come out and announce it to the world. There was no one. There's no one. So ... |
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Speaker B: Yep. |
Speaker A: I think it's such a powerful word. |
Speaker B: Yep. |
Speaker A: Because I was about to say it seems like a huge part of your process, maybe the entire process is it's all stick. No carrot. You know, you talk about the carrot, the positive thing, and then there's the stick, the thing you're trying to avoid. |
Speaker B: Yep. |
Speaker A: I feel like it's, the way it's landing for me is it's all stick and gas pedal. |
Speaker B: That's it. |
Speaker A: There's no carrot. You're not imagining, oh, when I'm a paramedic, when the book is published, and obviously you set those goals and you make those targets, but it's all stick. |
Speaker B: All stick. |
Speaker A: No carrot. |
Speaker B: Think about that. I'm waking up right now studying like I have a test tomorrow. I already passed the fucking test. Think about that. Every day of my life. That's what I must do just to retain what I learned. 4 hours plus a day, I go through and do that. There's no stick or there's only a stick. There's never... |
Speaker A: Good. |
Speaker B: And you will live exactly the way you live now, questioning who you are, wondering what is possible, wondering what you are capable of doing. That's how that looks. Or you can be me. Which am I happy? I don't know. Never really thought about it. Don't really care about it. Because all I really cared about wa... |
Speaker A: That stick is haunting you, haunting you. It's following you around. So no picture of Jordan on the wall. You're not listening to YouTube. Inspiration video. Those would be all your voice anyway. You're not listening to your top ten favorite songs. Just to get rolling and then lace the shoes, hit the books. ... |
Speaker B: I used to do that when I was fat. Rocky, that was my thing. Round 14 was my thing. And as I got older and older and older, that started to go away, and I started to create. I had all these people that I used to watch. Rocky was one Barnes Elias from Platoon, Jack from a few good men. You know, he's on the st... |
Speaker A: The real life David Goggins is the documentary. It's already being written. You're it. |
Speaker B: Right? |
Speaker A: Yeah. I'm gonna share a little neuroscience tidbit. |
Speaker B: Love it. |
Speaker A: But I think it's one that you'll appreciate. Most people don't know this, but there's a brain structure called the anterior mid cingulate cortex. As we pointed out before, that's a noun. It's a name. It doesn't mean anything. We could call it the. The cookie monster. But what's interesting about this brain a... |
Speaker B: Now we're talking. |
Speaker A: And when I learned about the anterior mid cingulate cortex, I was, like, almost out of my seat. And I've been in the neuroscience game since I was 20. We're the same age. And I was so pumped. Cause I've heard of the amygdala fear prefrontal cortex. It's planning and action. I could tell you every brain area ... |
Speaker B: Merry Christmas. |
Speaker A: Guess what? The anterior mid cingulate cortex shrinks again. To me, this is one of the most important discoveries that neuroscience has ever made, because it's that I don't want to do something, but do it anyway that grows this area. And it's almost like, I have a friend. He's been sober 30 years from alcoho... |
Speaker B: That's right. |
Speaker A: So the anterior mid cingulate cortex, to me, when I learned about it, two things went off in my head. Whoa, this is super interesting. And two, I gotta tell David Goggins about this. And I waited until now to tell you because I felt like, well, for obvious reasons, I wanted to tell you, and I wanted to tell ... |
Speaker B: Well, I love that because that's how I've lived my entire life. I don't know anything about that. But people go, man, you have such a strong will. It's something that you build. Like, I never forgot I was on a podcast one time, and this dude goes, you were blessed with a strong mind. Like, the hell you talki... |
Speaker A: Well, I feel like knowing the name of something anterior mid cingulate cortex doesn't fundamentally change us. But one thing I like about biology is that willpower. If somebody feels they don't have it, feels like this thing that other people have. But everybody, unless they're brain damaged, like a hole thr... |
Speaker B: That's right. |
Speaker A: Anything you like to do is not going to enhance this aspect of willpower. And it seems so obvious once you hear it, you kind of go, oh, yeah, of course. But I think you really close that loop for people when you share what you're sharing today and what you've shared elsewhere before as well, when you're tryi... |
Speaker B: Very. |
Speaker A: These are probably the most unpleasant terms we've ever used on this podcast. |
Speaker B: Very. |
Speaker A: Those are the levers, those are the gears, and without those. This thing that you're talking about, David Goggins as a verb. I sometimes make the joke, but it's not a joke. Goggins is a name and it's a verb. People go, I'm going to Goggins. That. Right, right. But that's. I think again, I'm not a psychologis... |
Speaker B: So now you know why there's so many people that fail in this world. To figure out their purpose. Their purpose in life. Where do I go? Because to grow that. While you may not look like me, how my daily life looks but don't look fun. Don't look fun. So it's a choice that people have to make in life. But what'... |
Speaker A: Well, the children of wealthy people are a case study in how not having enough friction can destroy a life. |
Speaker B: True statement. |
Speaker A: I mean, I could list off prominent names in the press, but those are actually the least interesting. What's probably more interesting as an example is all the ones we don't hear about, because we never hear about them. They just dwindle and wither. Or I think there's this big category of people. I'm realizin... |
Speaker B: Them do nothing, right? |
Speaker A: But you realize the stick and being haunted is the fuel in the engine. And you'd be truly crazy to give that up because you've internalized all that. But most people, they're good enough for them. And so they don't actually want to be better badly enough in order to start going wrong after wrong. |
Speaker B: Well, think about when you build willpower and think about how much I've built now that you know about this. I didn't know about this, but think about how much I've built, everything I've ever done in my life. I didn't want to do everything every day. I'm a lazy piece of shit, and I'm one of the hardest work... |
Speaker A: That this structure, anterior midsingulate cortex, has inputs and outputs from a bunch of places. But you'll probably not be surprised to learn that it's strongly activated when we move our body, when we don't want to move our body. I feel like it's like the David Goggins structure, right? |
Speaker B: It really is. |
Speaker A: It is. And it also has strong connections to the dopamine reward pathway. And everyone goes, yay, dopamine reward. Everyone loves dopamine. I'm partially responsible for people knowing a bit more about dopamine, but dopamine's badly understood. Everyone thinks dopamine. Dopamine hits. It's about reward. It's... |
Speaker B: Right, exactly. |
Speaker A: And it learns. So the fact that you kept this brain structure, I'm convinced if we imaged your brain, it'd be large and it would be larger in two years, in a year. But this is the no days off rationale, because it can grow and it can shrink. |
Speaker B: I know what you're saying right now. I didn't know any of this. And I never. And I always talk to people. I wish I could just put this on paper. And you're saying it in a way that people can understand. I can never put into words on what I built and the power that is within all of us. But you put it so, like... |
Speaker A: People like to talk about what they used to be able to do. I hear this a lot. You should have seen me in high school. I always laugh. Yep, okay, got it. And it's not just guys. You should have seen me working out in high school. I was super fit. People will look back to a time where they felt like they were ... |
Speaker B: It's defeating. |
Speaker A: I got a friend. He's in excess of 300 pounds. We've been trying on him for years, but no wind. And he's got crazy psoriasis on the back of his calves. And he actually smells bad sometimes. Cause he can't wash as well as he would. He's big, big. And it pulls all my sympathy. But life is very hard for him in g... |
Speaker B: It's a lot different. |
Speaker A: You've been there. So for me, saying, oh, yeah, lose weight, you know, I was a skinny guy who got to be a less skinny guy. So I don't really have a foot to stand on. What do you say to those people who are like, listen, I'm getting up in the morning is hard. Trying to not dissolve into a puddle of my own tea... |
Speaker B: You know why people connect with my book so well? For some reason, God put me in almost every fucked up situation on the planet earth. So when I talk to people, it's not sugar coated. Cause I'm not saying it from, I was 175 pounds my whole life. I don't say much to those people. Maybe you're a piece of shit.... |
Speaker A: He'll see this, and he'll appreciate that message. We'll see what he does. So, so far, last 13 years, it's been no movement. But I've had other friends who. Who were drug and alcohol addicts who quit after one conversation, never went back. |
Speaker B: That's awesome. That means they won it. |
Speaker A: Yeah. Just one guy. I won't out him, but walked up to me at a party in 2019 July 4 party and said, I'm a pile. And I go, what? And he goes, I'm a pile. Look at me. I'm 60 pounds overweight. I go, do you drink? He goes, every day. I go, how much? He goes, a case. He goes, I smoke a lot of weed. But he's succe... |
Speaker B: That's what flips. |
Speaker A: He's super self critical. |
Speaker B: Yep. That's what flips the switch. Think about it, man. We know what to do. We don't need Angie Schubermandhe to tell us what to do. We know what to do. Every one of us. That's why he flipped it so fast, because he knew what to do. He didn't go by your exact protocol. He didn't go by the exact. No, he knew e... |
Speaker A: And I'm talking about myself now. You know those modes of just kind of passive consumption, they're so easy to wash over us. I used to have this thing, and I'm fighting this now because I knew we were gonna have this conversation today where I like to start things on the hour or the half hour, right? Worst p... |
Speaker B: I love it, man. I had that for a lot of years. I know I'm going to do it. That's the haunting part. Is that going to happen? It has to happen, and that's a fact. Like, there's no get out of jail free card, bro. None. Like, that is a life that I don't know. I don't. I don't have that ability, or I have the ab... |
Speaker A: Well, I have worked hard at certain things and built up some things that I've been good at most of my life. |
Speaker B: You're amazed. |
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